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How your children's teachers rate their schools could surprise you.

As noted in today's article, some schools got scalding evaluations on the N.C. Teacher Working Conditions Survey. How comfortable would you be if you knew that a majority of the teachers at your child's school didn't think it was a good place to teach and learn?

Can you guess which Wake school had the highest percentage of teachers who say they plan to continue teaching there in the next two years?

The answer is Vance Elementary School, where 86.1 percent of the responses were yes on that question. Vance is followed by Mt. Vernon at 85.7 percent and Wiley Elementary at 84.8 percent.

Excluding Project Enlightenment because it only has two teachers, the lowest answers on the question were 27.5 percent at Knightdale Elementary, 27.6 percent at Moore Square Middle and 29.1 at Holly Ridge Elementary.

If you may remember, Knightdale Elementary Principal Michael Williams was suspended with pay this summer and reassigned to Wakefield High as an assistant principal. The rest of the survey results for Knightdale Elementary also weren't pretty.

Williams declined comment on the survey story.

There's been talk on the blog about teachers wanting to bail out of the converted year-round schools. Of the 22 converted schools, 14 had higher than the district average of 62 percent who plan to stay where they're at over the next two years.

All the surveys, taken in March ad April, were done anonymously.

Click here to view the Wake spreadsheet ranking schools on that question. It's here because the online database we put together doesn't include that question.

Click here to use our database, which allows you to compare individual schools at the same time. Click here for the official state site for the survey.

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It's been my experience.....

It's been my experience in dealing with WCPSS that "poor" performing teachers get moved into administrative, management positions or just reassigned. After Pope McNeil took the helm 8-9 years ago, most of the real management types left the system and all the "yes" and "brown-nose" types were promoted. Pope McNeal would not tolerate any type "free-thinking," it was his way, or the highway. Thus, the system you have today is a direct result of bureaucratic incense. Thank you BoE(eR) for another missed opportunity to "clean-up" WCPSS and hire an outsider School Super.

Comment for the teacher

I agree that unionization would probably raise the level of pay for teachers. But you'd have the problems that come with unions. Mediocre (or even bad) teachers who can't get fired or who may get paid much more than you, a hardworking teacher, do because they've been there longer.

yet you get that anyway with

yet you get that anyway with tenure. (and still low pay w/out a union)

Don't Speak For Me

I love when people (like Lisa B. did) speak for me. Take away MYR (which is NOT mandatory in any form you twist it to fit your agenda) and my satisfactionwill rise. Um, NOT. Survey the teachers and you might be surprised about how many hate year round, not nearly as many as you try to use for your agenda. Unless you are a teacher, you do not understand fully the questions asked in the survey, and thus cannot understand fully the results. There are small details in every question that teachers think about as they answer them. It's a wide variety of things that affect the answers, and I would bet Non-MYR is a very SMALL factor in the survey. If you notice a significant number of questions deal with things that get tied to parents. So, get rid of complaining parnents, increase satisfaction could be used just like the MYR reference was. Please don't speak for teachers and try to use that to further your agenda.

It's about the kids

When I speak to teachers about their jobs, one common thread always remains... the job satisfaction comes from the children.  They love being around the kids and teaching.

 

What they hate..

the pay, the paperwork, the lack of planning time, the administrators telling them to do one thing, the county telling them to do another thing, the parents who believe they are raising the second coming of Christ and the child needs to always be treated that way, the children who are the spawn of Satan that they can't touch with ha ten foot pole because they either have "issues" That need to be addressed by an overburdened testing system and "appropriate placement channels" , or just generally spoiled brats that thing they rule the class.

 

They also don't like the over stuffed classrooms, and the cirriculum and how it ties their hands so they can't be as creative as they'd like and help to truly expand and exlpore other avenues of learning.  

 

Too much time is taken up with testing as well.

 

That's what I am hearing as a parent. 

Let me get this one

The way Chuck and Del, Rosa and ESPECIALLY Patti Head feel is that WHO CARES about teachers being happy, if they don't like it they can go elsewhere. "We have 10's of 1,000's waiting in line to come work in wake county" and what's hard to understand about that. A system where you don't get the raises you're promised, where they yank your medical coverage as needed, where you work year round like or not and where the lies are endless.

Who wouldn't be satisfied with all that!

Take Away MYR, raise satisfaction

Just think how high the numbers would be if the CONDITIONS were changed? (NO MORE MYR) I'd expect Leesville to be close to 100% if we were converted back to the traditional calendar.

Our teachers truly consider our school their home, and the parents and students are their family. No one wants to leave their home and family, but unfortunately we've already lost many and will keep losing valuable teachers if the MYR mess is allowed to continue. Now that we're into our 2nd year and have gone through a full summer on the MYR, I believe the numbers would be even lower if asked today.

I agree with CitizenMom that there is NO REASON to just "move" a poorly performing employee to another place in the system. Where is the accountability, and what are the consequences for their actions?

Faulty Survey: While Work is great, Proffession is NOT

Having taken this survey twice so far in my career, I feel exceptionally bad for those being demoted due to its contents. While I agree school leadership's communication and policy making does affect teachers' effectiveness and simultaneously affects student performance, many thing in the survey results are more reflective of county policy and not that those at the school. Some counties (Wake) are so scared of lawsuits that they bog their teachers and administrators down in paper work and then scare them from providing many wonderful learning opportunities to student(as if the paperwork the state provides wasn't enough). Having ones' hands tied as you can imagine would make anyone severely dissatisfied. Many counties (Wake) are also sending mixed messages to their teachers in how they should teach. This is not to mention the disconnect from teacher education programs that rarely match the initiatives of the real classroom, but that is a whole other issue. On one hand students are asked to think outside the box to get a level four (a top score) showing creativity, and elaboration. Meanwhile teachers are held to teaching lackluster countrywide focus lessons from one stop curriculum banks which is moving ever closer to the European model of uniform instruction. It seems that the "art of teaching" is quickly loosing ground the science of objectives and uniformity. Don't get me wrong, I do see the value in using scientific classroom data to pinpoint weaknesses in both instruction and performance. Unlike like the science lab however , it seems that today's technologically driven children are juxtaposed to a sterile controlled environment. Similarly, I have yet to come across a fellow teacher who has been given the proper training or has the tools needed to fully implement these scientific skill sets (which are typically employed by extremely well paid corporate consultants).
This brings me to my more important point. The NC Working Conditions survey to my knowledge was first put into place to tackle the statewide issue of teacher retention and recruitment. If one looks at the survey, one will not find a single question dealing with a teachers' satisfaction of salary and living conditions. Myself, being at the point in my career where the salary ladder levels off to a mere few hundred dollars additional each year for the rest of my career, find this insulting. Even our students behavior today is being managed through positive reward systems yet the best we provide or teacher are coupons and small discounts. Unlike many members of our society, NC teaching professionals are not rewarded economically for working harder. Instead we teachers find ourselves suffering from a communist like monopolistic system in NC. We are all paid the same on a experience step whether one is a driven teacher who works 90-75 hours per week just to keep up or the teacher who is in and out the building with the bells with no work bag in sight (few and far between however). Somehow teachers have been dealt job security instead of economic freedom and happiness in our state. In the long run NC may lose out if it continues on its course to a widening teacher shortage amidst increasing student populations. The state has failed to recognize that today's twenty-somethings are getting married later and are delaying starting families and thus care much less about job security than previous generations. So not only are many of the most talented quitting teaching because the cards are stacked against them, but many young North Carolinians are not even willing to take on the challenge with so little a tangible reward. This rings true in the backhanded compliment that every teacher has heard more than once, "Its so great that you are a teacher; I could never do that."
I suggest we survey these people and find out why they are not teachers. If it wasn't for a surge of out of state teachers looking to get a start, NC would be in crisis mode right now. What these transplants fail to bring with them, for the few years some of them are here, is the strong advocate unions of their better educationally ranked home states. Without the right to organize for better pay and benefits in NC there will be little improvement in overall students performance no matter how much the state plays with the statistics of its normed tests. Teachers need a voice in which to negotiate for educational progress not only as a group but as individuals. As for the ABC bonus system of a few hundred dollars after taxes (based on school results not the individual), it hardly seems comparable to thousands of dollars of commissions and pay raises received by our college classmates in other 9-5 professions (Never mind the fact that some schools' student populations can be harder to achieve these bonuses and much like a harder product to sell).
Sadly, NC may keep kidding itself that its teachers will strive to improve based on receiving happy smiles, a little teacher empowerment, and handful of thank yous. (For perspective, I am a third generation educator; I love the school I work at and I enjoys my job, but I am constantly disappointed by my professional and economical status.)

QUESTIONS FOR TEACHER

1. You were aware that the teaching profession did not pay well when you decided to become a teacher. Why did you pick the profession if that was a big issue to you?

2. Given the fact that longevity raises are not always the best was to assign value to a job; what would you propose as a substitute?

3. Do you receive any personal value  (non-monetary, e.g. self-respect) in teaching children, understanding that you are contributing to future society in big way? 

4.  Would you approve of a system that puts a probationary period of 5 years with a substantial raise after that period as long as you are producing good results? If not, would you accept termination of employment without any benefits other than unemployment? How would you measure those results?

5. In your opinion is money, personal time, or job security the biggest factor in remaining or not in the profession?

OT alert

interesting blog on AG
http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/unwrapping_the_gifted/

http://www.wral.com/news/loca

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3425670/

Teacher frustration/parent frustration

     Note:  None of these administrators lose their jobs.  They get reassigned, maybe made assistant principals at another school or reassigned to central offices, but education seems a guaranteed job for life.

     The triangle that is students, teachers, parent has hovering above school based administration, system administration, system policies and rule, state laws, federal laws  (and layers of administrators with each).   It all makes for a huge challenge to meet the needs of students in an atmosphere that is cooperative.

      It seems like the numbers on this survey are lower at the schools I checked than on the one done two years ago.  That decline is a bad sign.

Teacher frustration/parent frustration

     Note:  None of these administrators lose their jobs.  They get reassigned, maybe made assistant principals at another school or reassigned to central offices, but education seems a guaranteed job for life.

     The triangle that is students, teachers, parent has hovering above school based administration, system administration, system policies and rule, state laws, federal laws  (and layers of administrators with each).   It all makes for a huge challenge to meet the needs of students in an atmosphere that is cooperative.

      It seems like the numbers on this survey are lower at the schools I checked than on the one done two years ago.  That decline is a bad sign.

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