We've got the Enloe High naming controversy, the relocation of Central Office to Cary and the performance of low-income students on the various Wake County school board agendas today.
The agenda for the policy committee meeting that begins at 10 a.m. includes a discussion on whether to change the policy that prevents naming or renaming schools after people. The policy would need to be changed in case the board renames Enloe High School.
Another potentially interesting discussion topic is a review of the policy on distribution of publications by non-students.
At noon, the school board will hold what's supposed to be a quick meeting to vote on a resolution requesting state permission to relocate Central Office from Wake Forest Road to Crossroads Corporate Park.
The board is voting on the resolution after the county commissioners approved the deal Monday.
Then at 4 p.m., the economically disadvantaged student performance task force will meet at Garner High School, 2101 Spring Drive.
School board member John Tedesco, the chairman of the task force, said the first hour will include presentations about encouraging minority students to take Algebra I and advanced math classes. The issue was raised last year in the SAS EVAAS report.
Tedesco said the second hour of the meeting will be a continuation of last month's discussion on the goals of the task force.
UPDATE
The policy committee agreed today to recommend allowing schools to be named after people. If approved by the full board, it would also allow them to rename Enloe High.
The full board voted today to ask the state Local Government Commission for permission to relocate Central Office to Cary. School staff said the LGC will discuss Wake's plan on July 6.
Comments
Payback
Mon, 06/28/2010 - 06:46 — SatchHHSo it sounds like you agree that the Enloe issue comes up to "get" those folks who have the nerve to speak out against the board's actions. Tyson never said he wanted to rename Enloe. If the new board really wants to honor a great leader like Malone, they would name H6 after him. No costs have yet been sunk there yet in the logos, etc. that go with a name. Renaming Enloe which has a national reputation, is petty and really shows the true mindset of the new board. I think that with the support of only two people (Tedesco and Margiotta) this issue will fade fast, but it has been enlightening.
Need Help on the Office Move
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 14:11 — Solon77I get the need to consolidate in one building, however the I am not sold on the lease space vs build our own.
Build our own - PV on the build our own is $29,042. However this is an asset and the model does not take into account the value at the end that the asset could be sold for and it should. The value could easily be $30m.. The other piece I have a problem with is the annual operating costs - does not appear to have taken into account the synergy savings that would result from a single facility. model overstated by at least $100k per year. Over 20 years this is $2m. I also question the 7% per year inflation rate on the building costs, this seems over the top. Even in 2005/2006 at the peak of housing we did not see this level of inflation.
Lease - downsizing would be required to fit into the 175,000 sq ft that is available, yet the make building is sized for 200,000 sq feet - why the different assumptions ? It is not clear what is available for growth if needed. Operating costs - projected annual operating costs are $40k per year, the same as today with less than half the space - this is incorrect. Moving/relocation costs have not been included in the financial model - these need to be added. Using the same formula as was used in the build your own - it would be roughly $500k-$600k. In addition the lease model does not take into account the usual fit up when moving into a new space. If this is included in the lease rate, which I doubt since the lease rate today is the same that is being projected, then to avoid any surprises it needs to be spelled out.
Going through all of the +/-, owning clearly has the best financial PV.
Fast forward to year 21 - the owned building is still in good shape, at the outside assume $1m a year for the next 10 years for improvements..ect. That is $10m. Leasing on the other hand $3m per year or $30m over the next 10 years vs $10m = additional cost of $20m, go another 10 years and another $20m of additional costs.
So help me to understand why leasing for 20 years is the better option when the school system is going to be here for a very very long time.
The larger point...
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:30 — MarvinSchwartz...is the change in policy that prevented the naming of schools after people. There was a reason for this policy, which was to prevent controversy and political infighting, but has resulted in some funny-named schools (Forestville Road Elementary, which isn't actually on Forestville Road, Forest Pines and North Forest Pines, Herbert Akins Road Elementary [not actually named for Akins] and the literally dozens of "creek" schools).
Though I doubt any of the ruling junta lived here then (a little joke, before Woody starts flaming me and calling me a moron again), a good history lesson here is the opening of Southeast Raleigh High School in 1997. The African-American community fought hard for suspension of the naming policy so the new high school could be named after a prominent black person, some even suggesting it be called Ligon High School (the current Ligon Middle was the black high school for that part of Raleigh until desegregation in the late 60s). The board at the time held fast and the name was settled on Southeast Raleigh.
I think it would be a dangerous precedent to repeal the policy to rename current schools, particularly for such blatantly obvious political reasons. Then again, the junta doesn't fear dangerous precedent, so...
So if they really ...
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 21:36 — Frabjouswanted to offer an olive branch, the board could offer to rename Southeast Raleigh High School.
At this point SRHS would
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 22:11 — magnetParentAt this point SRHS would have the same financial impact as Enloe would. Perhaps the new Walnut Creek Elementary or the future new High School in Garner could get the honor.
Or maybe the relocated H6?
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 01:02 — MarvinSchwartzOops, that's been promised to be called Rolesville High School as a payoff to Frank Eagles, who desperately wanted a high school (and a middle school) to bear his town's name.
"Oops, that's been promised
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 20:51 — Apexter"Oops, that's been promised to be called Rolesville High School as a payoff to Frank Eagles, who desperately wanted a high school (and a middle school) to bear his town's name."
Oh, yeah. It's an obvious payoff, because nowhere in Wake County have we named a school after the community in which it's located. Except for Apex Elementary, Apex Middle, Apex High, Cary Elementary, East Cary Middle, West Cary Middle, Cary High, East Wake Middle, East Wake High, Fuquay-Varina Elementary, Fuquay-Varina Middle, Fuquay-Varina High, East Garner Elementary, East Garner Middle, North Garner Middle, Garner High, Holly Springs Elementary, Holly Springs Middle, Holly Springs High, Knightdale Elementary, Knightdale High, Southeast Raleigh High, Wake Forest Elementary, Wake Forest-Rolesville Middle, Wake Forest-Rolesville High, Wendell Elementary, Wendell Middle, Zebulon Elementary, and Zebulon Middle.
It's clearly a conspiracy.
And don't get me started on the schools they've named after subdivisions --- particularly the ones named after the board had created a policy saying that they wouldn't name schools after the neighborhoods in which they're located.
Tell me which town has a
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:13 — danofncTell me which town has a high school named after it that doesn't have enough kids to fill it.
And East Wake isn't a town.
"And East Wake isn't a
Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:59 — Apexter"And East Wake isn't a town."
I never claimed that it was. Re-read my post, and you'll see that I referred to communities, not town.
You don't have to be within the corporate limits of a town or city to be a part of the community. There are a lot of people in this county that live in unincorporated areas.
I don't understand this fetish on insisting that all the population of a school come from within the corporate limits of a town.
Your inclusion of Wendell ES
Sun, 06/27/2010 - 21:42 — danofncYour inclusion of Wendell ES & MS along with Zebulon ES & MS to prove your point throws me off, since to really establish Rolesville HS as "business as usual" we would need to see Wendell HS or Zebulon HS instead of "East Wake HS".
Both Zebulon and Wendell have larger populations than Wendell, and they share a HS.
As for the "fetish".....the new board was swept into office on a promise to end forced busing. How is it not odd for one of their first acts to move a school site that will cost the district money and force the majority of that school's kids to ride the bus a longer distance?
Fuquay Varina Population was
Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:20 — jeffrey1Fuquay Varina
Population was only 8000 as recently as 2000 Census. Base attendance area goes well beyond city limits.
You also need to consider
Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:37 — magnetParentYou also need to consider the population density.
In 2000, the population density in Fuquay Varina was 1156.0 people/sq mile. The population density in Rolesville was 557.4 people/sq mile.
You're right! It's right
Sun, 06/27/2010 - 21:05 — jeffrey1You're right! It's right there in Policy 9999.9:
High Schools should not be named after the city in which they reside unless the population density exceeds 1000/sq mile.
I hear that locals refer to it as the "Rolesville Rule."
Whatever. The more dense the
Sun, 06/27/2010 - 21:25 — magnetParentWhatever.
The more dense the population, the closer the students are to the school, don't you think?
Great post. That's hilarious!
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 22:00 — woodstockGreat post. That's hilarious!
Maybe this Enloe thing is
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 07:15 — magnetParentMaybe this Enloe thing is really just a cover so that they can change the policy and then change the name of Rolesville High School to Eagles High.
(How much you want to bet their mascot will be the Eagles?)
I like it. Great idea. Now
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 23:20 — woodstockI like it. Great idea. Now that's a Mayor doing his job!
Good one ...
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 08:38 — user12345Good one ...
And H7
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 08:59 — FrabjousH7 can be Margiotta High & H8 can be Tedesco High.
Call it the School of
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 09:53 — red_balloonCall it the School of Diversity Charade or what you will. So long as it comes loaded with magnet like offerings, you are welcome to call it what you will.
Vernacular
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:24 — refusingtobeunkindIs there a guide to the abbreviations used here, like EVAAS? NED?
Thanks.
Uh..
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:42 — Bob_SconceEVAAS = SAS' system for looking at student performance, most recently used to show that WCPSS routinely steers poor students to lower-level math classes when they apparently have the skills for higher-level ones.
ED=econically disadvantaged
NED = Not ED
F&R = Free & Reduced
LEP = Limited English Profiency
I think those are the big ones.
Thanks for the heads up on lingo
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 18:18 — refusingtobeunkind"WCPSS routinely steers poor students to lower-level math classes when they apparently have the skills for higher-level ones."
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Really? That's quite shocking and if so, terrible! Was that reported in the N&O?
Are you kidding?
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:34 — woodstockAre you kidding?
.
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:28 — DrActualFactual.
Oh yes...
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 19:17 — Bob_Sconcehttp://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/sas-and-wakes-achievement-gap
Um, Sure Broughton must have been a racist
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 16:38 — gregishereLook, if renaming Enloe to Lightner is because Enloe was a product of his times and racist. Well, my guess is so was Broughton, Daniels and others. Oh, and let's take down those civil war statues at the Capitol... and on and on and on. Look, I don't the fact that Enloe was not a progressive for his time. But he was who he was... and if we are to strip all names from buildings because the person was racist... well, that's a a big darn job.
Exactly...
Thu, 06/24/2010 - 17:32 — MarvinSchwartzIf we start going down this slope, then do we investigate Jesse Sanderson and Needham Broughton? How about Daniels, Martin, Carroll, Daniels, Martin, etc etc.
Just another knee-jerk reaction by a bunch of people who have no idea what they are doing.
Well, it sure is nice
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 15:40 — woodstockWell, it sure is nice having such an astute person -- such as yourself -- around ready to point out who does and who does not know what they are doing.
You have a point though, maybe be ought not to listen to the advice of "respected historian" and homophobe Timmy Tyson. He was the guy who pointed out Eloe's segregationist activities.
Is Washington ES named for
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 08:43 — user12345Is Washington ES named for George Washington who was a slave owner? I am wondering if Yates Mill is named for the Yates family who have some thing bad in their past?
Excellent point user...if
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 11:16 — aquaman4life68Excellent point user...if they want to get all technical, think of all the places named after a person. No one is person, me, you, etc. The people of the past definitely were not perfect either. I support the board, however with this twist on focus like the name of Enloe, etc...makes me worry a little about what is their main focus.
Whatever is the main focus,
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 11:36 — red_balloonWhatever is the main focus, I don't think it changes with a renaming attempt. I don't know how far this idea will go but for now I think it is a reaction to Tyson, Barber, Petty, Wright, parades, etc. letting their mouths run all over the terrain.
don't speak your opinion or
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 11:46 — carson79don't speak your opinion or we'll rename a school - that's the threat?
Everyone keep in mind - only 2 PEOPLE WANT ENLOE RENAMED - Margiotta and Tedesco.....
Carson - slight correction -
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:39 — magnetParentCarson - slight correction - only 3 people want Enloe renamed - Margiotta, Tedesco and Woodstock.
credit where credit is due
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 15:38 — red_balloonDon't forget Tyson. If he had better control over his mouth, the renaming circus wouldn't have come to town.
So bringing up the history
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:21 — carson79So bringing up the history of the school system and resistance to integration is not "having control of your mouth?" lol
I don't think Tyson should be on the list since he never suggested nor does he support renaming Enloe.
So, again, so far it's Margiotta and Tedesco. Are you adding yourself to the list?
If you want to subject
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:32 — red_balloonIf you want to subject yourself to selective recollections of what Tyson said, be my guest.
BTW, I wish my kid too had magnet offerings so that I too can have the luxury of throwing a tantrum over a name change.
wrong
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:36 — carson79I thought Tyson wasn't a Wake parent? Are you saying now he is a magnet Wake parent?
are you sure he said the name should be changed? I thought Hui said that he did not.
I don't think Tyson asked
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 20:53 — red_balloonI don't think Tyson asked for the change but, with his references to Enloe, I got the impression his talk boomeranged on him.
Too bad he did not mention
Sat, 06/26/2010 - 11:16 — user12345Too bad he did not mention Apex and its segregated history ... I think Cary mascot use to be "White" Imps ....
Thank you for including me
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:45 — woodstockThank you for including me in such good company. : )
However, if only three people want the name change, it will not pass, so you have nothing to worry about.
So if the other 3 vote along
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:57 — magnetParentSo if the other 3 vote along side JT and Margiotta, then my puppet theory is verified?
Don't forget that "respected
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:28 — woodstockDon't forget that "respected historian" Timmy Tyson is the one that highlighted the fact that Eloe supported segregation. Why should such a man be honored as he is by having a school named after him? I would think this is something everyone should get behind.
That was my point about
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 14:14 — user12345That was my point about Washington ES.
That was a different time. I
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:35 — woodstockThat was a different time. I don't recall the civil right movement occurring under Washington's watch.
I think the enslavement of
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 16:57 — user12345I think the enslavement of humans is wrong at any point in history even if is was socially acceptable at the time. The founding fathers knew slavery was wrong but did not have the political consensus to abolish it mostly because of SC. So, they pushed the issue forward to the Civil War where it was settled at great cost.
LOL Gee, thanks for the
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:09 — woodstockLOL Gee, thanks for the grade school history lesson ...and totaling ignoring the obvious point. During Washington's time slavery was indeed socially acceptable, during Enloe's time it was not and neither were his segregationist views.
Have you verified that
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 17:36 — user12345Have you verified that information?
Do you think being naive
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:04 — red_balloonDo you think being naive helps your cause? Opinions can be expressed without insults though I doubt you are unaware of that. The probable fallout is antics such as these with everyone being penalized since time is taken away from more important issues.
If renaming a school is a threat to some, I am not surprised. Some of us are dealing with the threat of not receiving a better education. But I guess different people have different concerns and priorities.
But if it comes to vote - do
Fri, 06/25/2010 - 12:03 — magnetParentBut if it comes to vote - do you really think it will be anything but 5-4? Goldman, Prickett and Malone will place their votes like good little puppets. It will be interesting to see...