One of the most controversial school years in recent Wake history will come to an end today.
More than 30,000 students at year-round schools will attend their final day of classes for the 2007-08 school year. For many, it was their first experience with the calendar due to the conversion of 22 schools last July.
It's going to be a short break for a lot of those students because the 2008-09 school year will start on July 7.
A lot is still unsettled because the court case is in limbo. The state Supreme Court won't be back in session until Aug. 26 so it will be at least that long before it rules on the stay and whether to hear the case.
For those who are holding out hope that the conversions will be reversed, school board chairwoman Rosa Gill is dangling a carrot. She said it could depend on whether a large enough bond issue passes next year that the board would feel comfortable with unconverting some schools.
Look for more in Saturday's paper.

Comments
Breaking the Silence - Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice
Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:02 — BigFatJR (not verified)I have been reading this Blog for over a year and have not commented once since Patty Head threatened to have me arrested for trying to speak at a second Board Information Session. It is now time to break the silence.
I am one of those people who are "spoiled" or "rich" or whatever insults many of the pro MYR people throw at anyone who wants to get rid of MYR because we want to be on a traditional calendar. Check me if I am wrong, but most of the United States is on a traditional calendar and it seems to be working just fine. In my kid's elementary school tracks have been collapsed because of low attendance, many have opted out so the whole F&R thing is a farce, or should I say a failure. I chose to send my oldest to prvate school because that is where I believe when would do best, but that does not mean that i am not entitled to use the public schools for my other 2 kids. Since when did having the ability to afford private school make me a bad person or make my vote less important? Stop throwing around the send your kids to private school if you want a traditional calendar garbage. I am entitled to the same services as everyone else whether I can afford private school or not. This is not a socio-economic issue, and it is clearly not an convenience issue. it is a family issue and that is all.
For all of you that like Year Round, I applaud you and respect your choice to attend on that calendar. I think it is great for some families and would never try to fight to get rid of your choice. The MYR folks however, want to fight me on my right to choose to send my kids to a neighborhood school and not bus them 45 minutes each way. My neighborhood school enrollment is approximately 20% lower than it was last year and next year looks like it is going to be even less. No need for MYR there in fact I am sure it costs a fortune ... you know all the arguments.
As for not choosing to participate in sports? The fact that sports are a choice is true but to say don't participate if it is not convenient is bordeline ignorant. Did you know that a recent study proved that athletes have higher GPA than not athletes? See below:
It needs to be noted that athletic participation is no longer referred to as extracurricular but instead co-curricular. The NASSP/Carnegie Commission on the Restructuring of the American High School made the following recommendation: "The high school will promote co-curricular activities as integral to an education, providing opportunities for all students that support and extend academic learning." If the Carnegie recommendation is to be followed, schools must believe that co-curricular pursuits can reinforce the goal of teaching students to be responsible and fulfilled human beings, providing them with opportunities that develop character, critical thinking, sociability and specific skills. Evidence from a U.S. Department of Education Study showed that participants in co-curricular activities have more consistent attendance, better academic achievement, and higher aspirations that non-participants. The study also showed that more students participate in athletics than any other co-curricular activity.
Research has shown that co-curricular participation has a positive influence on students, and more specifically, participation in athletic programs has a positive effect on students' grade point averages. Ira Rebella compared the GPA of athletes and non-athletes every four years for twelve years. As shown in Tables 1, 2, and 3, similar patterns were found in each study; athletes' GPA's were higher than non-athletes' GPA's, and multiple sport athletes had the highest GPA's of all students.
Look... we can and will argue this for a long time. I just know taxes are going to go up regardless of what happens in education so the tax argument is a silly one. There have been very few times in history where our politicians said "you are paying too much..let's lower taxes." It just doesn't happen that way.
Basically this who argument comes down to one question and one question only. Are your Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice? Which one are you?
Honesty about mandatory year round...
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 20:42 — CitizenmomVoluntary year round had been a popular program for the WCPSS. Families who wanted the schedule applied in numbers in excess of the seats made available. Applications were often denied because the applicants failed to meet the diversity criteria that would ensure the schools would not become nondiverse.
Multitrack mandatory year round emerged because the BOE was faced with either putting forth a bond request sufficient to fund needed construction or find a way to cram more students into existing space. If they could force students into a year round schools they could continue the diversity policy while housing more students at existing schools. However, they were challenged in their efforts and unable to compel assignment of students to the year rounds. (Decision pending in the courts).
Now they face a quandry. If they are unable to compel attendance in year round and many F&R families opt out (as has happened) they risk diversity objectives. They are left to justify why traditional calendar schools must endure overcrowded schools, with higher F&R numbers while year round schools operate at higher costs without full utilization. They can't simply fill the seats to fully utilize the year rounds because to do so would be to contradict their diversity policy.
While Rosa Gill has no year rounds in her district she is aware of the trends emerging and the conflicts those present with goals of the BOE. Money is needed to build schools and a bond will be needed to fund that construction, but her suggestion that if it is a big enough bond they might undo the year round conversions is tough to trust. She had the opportunity to be part of supporting a larger bond to fund construction and opted instead for the safer option of lowballing the bond and exercising powers of assignment they did not dream would be challenged, and thus the conversions.
Those who support the BOE's decision to convert schools to multitrack mandatory year round cannot fairly dismiss parents who protest the conversion because it prevents them from having time together as a family. High schools are not year round and the needs of families with students on varying schedules are real. Supporters of the conversions should not cheer the statements of Chuck Dulaney that say it is his goal to make traditional options "unappealing", they should stand with the parents challenged by the schedule disparity and say these students should not be punished by unappealing options.
The leading reason for the conversions was to save money on school construction. Time will tell whether the net impact was cost savings, claiming them is not the same as proving them. At the end of this first year we see schools collapsing tracks (a threat to cost effectiveness), threats to the diversity goals, hundreds of requests for class size waivers to allow larger classes and reports of PTA's struggling for volunteers and funding as compared to previous years. We are also hearing about track disparities within the schools with some students on some tracks receiving services others on other tracks do not. Time will tell whether the experiment worked.
Issues to watch moving forward include diversity, cost, teacher retention, track equity and facilities equity (as all new schools are year round with time the haves and have nots of newer facilities). Some have argued the BOE should have simply converted all the elementary and middle schools to year round, and to be honest if they intentionally seek to make opting out undesirable they should have.
An interesting summary
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 20:53 — Dadof3That is an interesting summary. I'm sure we can quibble over the details BUT, as compassionate and progressive as achieving diversity might be as a goal -- it is not working and everything is broken.
One more time for the reading impaired: <b>not only are we not achieving diversity, we are breaking the education system as a whole.</b>
What a crazy story of tail-wags-dog.
To quote George Jetson; "Jane, stop this crazy thing!"
Addressing diversity goal issues too many more paragraphs
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 21:08 — CitizenmomDadof3, addressing the diversity goals and the WCPSS implementation of them (see Garner) would require far more paragraphs than I was prepared to write this evening.
To Another Dumb One
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 17:54 — g88ky07YOUR name says it all.
If you can jam an entire summer into 3 weeks, or less for many, and feel that is just fine, you have no life, no family and/or NO CLUE!
It doesn't work for MANY of us REGARDLESS of how many of "you" YOU think there are!
Make sure you get in line first when the next bond comes up so that you can suck up to your beloved system and leaders, but MANY more of us won't! Regardless of what YOU believe!
It's not that YOU out # us, it's that YOU folks enjoy throwing in the towel, giving up, excepting what THE BOE LIARS tell you to do and probably again, HAVE NO CLUE!
The rest of us will continue to fight to have the SAY for our families and the say as to WHAT our families will and will not accept!
While you'll be voting for bonds to hand over more money to liars to be wasted, stolen and squandered WE'LL be fighting for freedom. Freedom from ignorant, lying and manipulating "so called" school leaders!
Happy Summer break! All one week of it for MANY!
Proving our point
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 20:52 — Anonymous (not verified)WOW g88. That was impressive. Again, someone disagrees with you, and in a post does not insult you once, and you go off like that. I have NO CLUE and NO LIFE, and because you think YOUR number is greater than MY number, and you can use CAPS a LOT to emphasize your point...you MUST be RIGHT. Way to go.
Simple math...summer is approximately eight weeks. You get three for trackout, then one for year end, and then three more in six weeks...for Track 2. That totals nine weeks, and at worst, you have to suffer with three weeks earlier than you are used to and three weeks later. If you can't make that work, YOU have no clue.
No towels thrown in on this side, just a rational mind that can adapt to change and not act like the spoiled people you appear to be. WHINE...I want my full summer at once. PERFECT! Have fun fighting this losing battle, getting your blood pressure all up and then accomplishing NOTHING because you can't even listen to others' points of views without exploding. Yep, if I was the BOE, I'd listen to you. HA!
Lest we forget......
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 10:23 — WuptdoCan someone remind me how many schools where converted to MYR schools in Rosa's district????
Oh, that's right, NONE.
If this isn't politics, I don't what is.
Not Working for us
Sat, 06/28/2008 - 23:27 — Sick and tired (not verified)Having a break every 9 weeks doesnt work when you have a traditional student too. Our summer vacation doesnt work well, especially with a high school student in fall sports. My oldest cannot miss tryouts or he wont make the team, but his tryouts are the same time my youngest is tracked out. We have no common weeks off to spend as a family... oh but were just a bunch a spoiled rich Apex people who complain, everyone lucky enough to have traditional doesnt get why we complain?? Sadly in 2 years our oldest will go to college and move away, and our children will have no fond family memories of their final summers together. We can no longer vacation with our cousins from MD, they have traditional schools, and our schedules don't match. Our youngest struggles to retain what was learned after each track out, and hates the adjustment back into school. The youngest gets very upset when big brother has off and she has to get up for school. Our lives were turned upside down, but we shouldn't be upset? Oh and BTW I have not met one person in Apex who actually likes year round, except the people who got yanked out of Turner Creek, they wanted it, so they liked it, but that was when we all had a choice! Everyone else is unhappy, even the teachers.
Arguments flawed
Sun, 06/29/2008 - 11:23 — Anonymous (not verified)Sick and Tired. If you do indeed have kids on different schedules, then you are the one group of parents that I have sympathy for. I think something should be done to help with that. However, with that said, your arguments have flaws that fuel the other side. Most of your statements are arguments of convenience, not necessity. That is one of the big things that is driving others to call you "spoiled" and such.
First, you DO have a common week to spend as a family. You can try the week of June 30th, THIS WEEK. There is not any school in session this week, year round or traditional. EVERY Wake County school is closed this week or in teacher workdays. Every family should be able to make a trip and take a vacation for a full week. And, I don't know when Maryland ends the year, but the states I know are all done by the end of June. That means that most kids in the country are off this week. So, there is the common week for a vacation with the entire family, plus you have many other weeks to vacation with parts of family if you can afford and desire to vacation more. If you don't like this week, then you get into convenience.
The fall sports argument is convenience. Your son does not have to play sports, and they certainly aren't having tryouts for Fall sports right now...at least the BOE isn't. He chooses to play Fall sports, so you and your family are choosing to enter into that situation. If this week doesn't work for a vacation, then go later in the summer. If sports interfere, then choose to go now. You have choices. The youngest complains when the oldest has the day off but she has to go to school. Does she complain when she has the day off but the oldest does not? That's a part of life. You can't like things when they work for you, but dislike them when they work the same way for others. Retention over trackout being difficult? What about retention over summer? If they struggle with a three week break, the two month summer must almost kill them. Perhaps your child needs some review over break. Some students need to work over breaks, whether track outs or summer, to keep up. School, or certain subjects are just difficult for them, so they need extra work. That's not the fault of the BOE or year round. That's the "fault" of God.
It boils down to the argument that many make that year round just doesn't work. Yes it does. Year round works, it just requires people to change their normal habits and mindsets and figure out different ways to do the same thing.
"Everyone else is unhappy, even the teachers." That's just a ridiculous statement. Get outside your group of friends. I like year round, so there is one person. Look around, and you'll find thousands more.
Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice
Mon, 06/30/2008 - 18:06 — BigFatJR (not verified)I have been reading this Blog for over a year and have not commented
once since Patty Head threatened to have me arrested for trying to
speak at a second Board Information Session. It is now time to break
the silence.
I am one of those people who are "spoiled" or "rich" or whatever
insults many of the pro MYR people throw at anyone who wants to get rid
of MYR because we want to be on a traditional calendar. Check me if I
am wrong, but most of the United States is on a traditional calendar
and it seems to be working just fine. In my kid's elementary school
tracks have been collapsed because of low attendance, many have opted
out so the whole F&R thing is a farce, or should I say a failure. I
chose to send my oldest to prvate school because that is where I
believe when would do best, but that does not mean that i am not
entitled to use the public schools for my other 2 kids. Since when did
having the ability to afford private school make me a bad person or
make my vote less important? Stop throwing around the send your kids
to private school if you want a traditional calendar garbage. I am
entitled to the same services as everyone else whether I can afford
private school or not. This is not a socio-economic issue, and it is
clearly not an convenience issue. it is a family issue and that is all.
For all of you that like Year Round, I applaud you and respect your
choice to attend on that calendar. I think it is great for some
families and would never try to fight to get rid of your choice. The
MYR folks however, want to fight me on my right to choose to send my
kids to a neighborhood school and not bus them 45 minutes each way. My
neighborhood school enrollment is approximately 20% lower than it was
last year and next year looks like it is going to be even less. No need
for MYR there in fact I am sure it costs a fortune ... you know all the
arguments.
As for not choosing to participate in sports? The fact that sports are
a choice is true but to say don't participate if it is not convenient
is bordeline ignorant. Did you know that a recent study proved that
athletes have higher GPA than not athletes? See below:
It needs to be noted that athletic participation is no longer
referred to as extracurricular but instead co-curricular. The
NASSP/Carnegie Commission on the Restructuring of the American High
School made the following recommendation: "The high school will promote
co-curricular activities as integral to an education, providing
opportunities for all students that support and extend academic
learning." If the Carnegie recommendation is to be followed, schools
must believe that co-curricular pursuits can reinforce the goal of
teaching students to be responsible and fulfilled human beings,
providing them with opportunities that develop character, critical
thinking, sociability and specific skills. Evidence from a U.S.
Department of Education Study showed that participants in co-curricular
activities have more consistent attendance, better academic
achievement, and higher aspirations that non-participants. The study
also showed that more students participate in athletics than any other
co-curricular activity.
Research has shown that co-curricular participation has a positive
influence on students, and more specifically, participation in athletic
programs has a positive effect on students' grade point averages. Ira
Rebella compared the GPA of athletes and non-athletes every four years
for twelve years. As shown in Tables 1, 2, and 3, similar patterns were
found in each study; athletes' GPA's were higher than non-athletes'
GPA's, and multiple sport athletes had the highest GPA's of all
students.
Look... we can and will argue this for a long time. I just know taxes
are going to go up regardless of what happens in education so the tax
argument is a silly one. There have been very few times in history
where our politicians said "you are paying too much..let's lower
taxes." It just doesn't happen that way.
Basically this who argument comes down to one question and one
question only. Are your Pro-Choice or Anti-Choice? Which one are you?
Just Say No to WCPSS
Sat, 06/28/2008 - 17:29 — Kent Misegades (not verified)Why accept what the government dictates? Reject WCPSS and look for an alternative. Nearly one in every five children in Wake County does not attend a traditional public school today, which is double the national average. Our county has the largest and strongest home-school network, meaning those interested won't be alone. Consider our low-cost private schools, the Thales Academies, in Apex and Wake Forest, both opening in the coming weeks. At $5000/year, they cost a fraction what the government spends of our tax money annually for public schools, and this is a lot less than families pay for day-care/preschool. If our schools are too far from your home, do as I did and start your own Thales Academy; it's easier than you might think, and it's a lot more fun than fighting a lost cause, the WCPSS.
tude
Sat, 06/28/2008 - 09:24 — cybercris2The worst thing about all of this is the tude. The unresponsiveness of the BOE to parents' concerns has eroded trust. I see WCPSS as an enemy much more so now than ever before. I sat at OCE graduation and felt impatient, irritated, patronized and oppressed. NOT the way a Mommy should feel at the end of elementary school. That being said about half of the 5th grade families I talked to will be continuing in YR in order to keep schedules aligned so the forced conversion has developed more demand for voluntary YR middle school. Dr. Cris
Stupid is as stupid does
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 18:44 — Another Dumb One (not verified)I must be dumb then...I guess since I don't agree with g88. Same old junk from you all. Anyone who disagrees and actually likes year round is dumb. From the sounds of it, there are more and more dumb people all over the county that outnumber the few of you on this blog.
No summer break??? Um, every one of you just had a trackout or will have one in the next six weeks. I'd call that a pretty good break. Three weeks? If you need more than that for your vacation, I would guess you can afford the private schools that have the schedule you want.
As to teachers showing videos, they get complaints if they keep assigning work and homework after testing. Now they're getting complaints about showing videos. What videos Al? Educational? Support the curriculum? Doing that while allowing the kids to relax after working so hard all year long? Is that a bad thing?
logic of year round
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 14:40 — Forget_Not_the_the_children (not verified)I am preparing to leave a lovely vacation on the caribbean island of St. John. While chatting with the locals they looked at me like "You are some crazy white woman" when I asked if their children were on year round calendars.
Here the weather is consistent all year and the planting season really doesn't vary much and these children get summer off.
Rosa is trolling for votes using any means she can muster for a bond....don't believe her, the bait is tainted. Hook me once fisherwomen shame on you, hook me twice, shame on me.....
let me get this one
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 10:30 — g88ky07citizenmom,
since you didn't express an opinion I'll be happy to,
SOUNDS LIKE SOME REALLY DUMB PARENTS!!
Chat with a parent who has been sold on year round
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:59 — CitizenmomLately talking with parents randomly in the community several have expressed strong support for the year round conversions. The following are the key points that they have made:
1. Year round is better than the tax increases that would be needed to pay for more schools on a traditional calendar.
2. Year round schools tend to have lower F&R populations.
3. If x school had not gone year round we might have been assigned to y school that is not as good so we would rather have x school on year round than go to y school.
4. Many parents benefit from school as daycare and the year round schedule is more like the schedule adults work.
5. A couple said they had applied for year round years ago and been denied so they were glad that their base school was converted.
Just posting some of the topics that have emerged not expressing an opinion on them.
Traditional Calendar Benefits
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 17:02 — Lisa B (not verified)Hi Citizen Mom: Thanks for sharing. What area of town do you live in? We're in Northwest Raleigh (Leesville) and I have heard nothing but NEGATIVES from parents regarding year-round schools in our area. (except for the lower F&R which I do agree is true only because the F&R families chose to opt-out into traditional schools)
Even those families and teachers who thought they would LIKE YR have found more negatives than they thought possible. Before this year I was willing to believe that educationally YR and Trad had equal benefits, but after a year on MYR I believe 100% that the traditional calendar is FAR SUPERIOR to YR from an educational standpoint. Too many disruptions and track-out/track-ins. SO many wasted educational days with the YR calendar.
What was the atmosphere at school today (for the other MYR schools)? Those of us on track 4 are happy to have a 4 week break, but the teachers and families on tracks 1,2,3 all have to start back after just a 1 week break and everyone is SO EXHAUSTED. I feel really bad for those who have to start up with the new year in just a week. The teachers are just DRAINED and dreading a new school year starting up so soon.
As for converting back to traditional, I think that has to be done BEFORE asking for more bond money. I won't fall for that old bait/switch this time around.
have to comment on #4
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 14:14 — gunfamWHAT?? More like when adults work?? Obviously I"m in the wrong profession, because that's not how its been for us. Oh, and have you checked the cost of Trackout camps vs Summer Camps???? They are MUCH more! AND there are less options (especially for track 2)
Gotta veto #4.
Oh, and on #3, don't tell that to the 70% of families that were ripped out of Turner Creek to go to all the converted schools in Apex! How did that all help them? Especially how some had just been reassigned there the year before (my neighborhood) then got reassigned again!!
Agree... mostly
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 11:39 — Bob_Sconce#1 is a fallacy, at least in my neck of the woods -- Wakefield Elementary was converted (at some unknown cost), but the converted school serves fewer students. No trailers have been moved. I see no savings here.
#2 Is probably correct, but only because parents were allowed to opt out, and many F&R parents did.
#3 Is true for us -- my kids would have been assigned to Rolesville, farther away, where they know nobody.
#4 ??? The last I checked, I didn't take a break every 9 weeks. We take vacations in the summer. (Which, is proving to be interesting trying to schedule a family trip; my kids start school in early July; their cousins don't get out until late June***)
#5 Valid. I know some like that.
( ***The urban legend is that summer vacation was set up because we were an agricultural nation. I recently read a paper asserting (1) that this is false -- in agriculture, the important times for labor are spring (planting) and fall (harvest), (2) summer break evolved this way as a coordination mechanism to allow people to move from place to place without having to deal with competing school schedules.)
Are they in YR now?
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 11:21 — Runergirl (not verified)Are these comments coming from traditional calendar families, YR families or both?
I definitely think there are *some* pros to YR - just as there are cons. Taxes though - are going to increase no matter what.
do they have multiple children on multiple schedules?
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 14:41 — bigwinnieand the pro has previously been VOLUNTARY year-round, those who WANTED it could apply, instead of MANDATORY (opting out is not a true option compared to voluntary, it's blackmail)
School Ended Friday 13th
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:49 — al_in_garnerMy Sixth Grader on Track 2 has been watching movies in school for the past two weeks. Push 'em, test 'em (as guinea pigs) and then show movies for the last two weeks. So this is EDUCATION in WCPSS.
And with a week off, I'm sure these kids will be refreshed to come back as Seventh Graders and do it all over again. What a crock.
Ms Gill we have lost to your game too many times. Parents don't like being "gamed".
Re-convert the schools and you MIGHT get more bond money. But you go first this time. You have allot of convincing to do.
Violating the Trust.......
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:32 — WuptdoSorry Rosa, no BOND money for you and your "cult of diversity."
Trust Rosa, trust, sorry but you and your BoE(eR) continues to abuse the students, teachers, parents, and taxpayers. Until most of you either get voted out or resign, there can never be any TRUST. Trust is earned and if you would take your own "values & character" course, you would know this.
I wonder how much the Goodknights's and the "Friends of Wake County" will have to "pony-up" this time in an attempt to convince voters to vote for a school bond?
don't be fooled!
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:12 — g88ky07well said gunfam, we were FORCED into dealing with and trying MYR and it simply SUCKS! Families, friends and the entire neighborhood split, no summer rest for kids or parents, MUCH less support for the schools from parents, do you blame them, continued lies about the TRUE FACTS of how much more it's costing to operate and transport and THEY WANT MORE MONEY???
NOT HAPPENING ON MY WATCH ROSA!!!!!!!!!
Everyone has to cut back ESPECIALLY when you have NO CLUE how to manage what's around you! And this boe has NO CLUE!!!
So, NO BOND!!!!!
NONE!!!
Few sandwhiches short of a picnic...
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:11 — runnergrlToo much!
"Give us more money, we *might* think about unconverting some schools..."
As if... I don't believe it as far as I can throw it. Rosa has a screw loose if she thinks this tactic is going to work. Unconvert - then *maybe* we'll talk about bond money.
Are you kidding me?
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 08:57 — Sideburns (not verified)Yea, pass the bond and we'll talk about it. How many fell for that in '06? Remember, not only did they refuse to talk about it, they also altered the 2006 CIP and removed 2 new schools from the building plan. Even if "unconversions" are included in the next bond, they can change it. Don't fall for it!
FOWC are alive and kicking!
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 08:03 — choice4allDe' ja Vue. They are going to use the same lie to get this bond passed? With another threat? Even if they put it in writing and pinky swore about re converting the schools if the bond passed I would not believe them.
Carrot? HA!
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 08:01 — gunfamWhat I wanted was a larger bond LAST time, to avoid this whole fiasco...but I didn't have that choice! NOW she wants a big enough bond!! Gee thanks...but I don't think so. I HATE feeling this way, I truly support more funding for education (I'm tired of sending in tissues and cleaning wipes), but I don't believe in the way BOE is dealing with all this.
Oh, and to all those who said "try YR you'll love it"...I tried it (under duress of course) and I DON'T love it! Are we managing, yes, but my neighborhood is spilt on all tracks, there's not as much support, AND my kids have ONE WEEK between grades....very weird I tell you.
We're not interested in your LIES Rosa!
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 07:40 — g88ky07Dangle all you want, but WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING ANY BOND NEXT YEAR!!!
Unconverting SOME schools doesn't mean squat to us you typical boe LIAR!!!
NO BOND
P E R I O D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bribery cases shine light on
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 06:31 — bigwinnieBribery cases shine light on some oily characters
Bribery?
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 06:42 — Dadof3More like extortion.
Extortion,
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 06:49 — bigwinnieExtortion, outwresting, or exaction is a criminal offense, which occurs when a person either unlawfully obtains money, property or services from a person, entity, or institution through coercion or intimidation or threatens a person, entity, or institution with physical or reputational harm unless he or she is paid money or property
Bribery, a form of pecuniary corruption, is an act usually implying money or gift given that alters the behaviour of the recipient in ways not consistent with the duties of that person or in breach of law. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in discharge of a public or legal duty
The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or merely a promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity.
Oh yea?
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:53 — Dadof3Wait until I show up at your poetry reading... ;)
ROFL
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 09:54 — bigwinnieROFL
Lucy, Charlie Brown and a football
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 06:06 — Dadof3And why should we trust her?