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Diversity policy supporters organizing for Tuesday's school board meeting

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It looks like we've got a big public showdown coming at Tuesday's Wake County school board meeting.

In response to N.C. Americans for Prosperity's call for a rally to support the new board, critics of the new majority are urging their side to turn out as well Tuesday.

"We have to be at the meeting in stronger numbers than the anti-diversity crowd!" writes Matthew Brown, a spokesman for the Coalition of Concerned Citizens for African American Children. "As we know, it is easier for politicians to do questionable things when there is a large mob cheering them on. We have to be in the seats before they can take them all!"

Brown made his pitch in an e-mail message sent Wednesday night to supporters of the diversity policy.

Brown credits the large turnout by supporters of the diversity policy with causing the board on Dec. 1 to send changes in the student assignment policy to committee rather than adopting them on first reading.

Brown says in the message that turnout is needed again next week.

"December 15 may be our best opportunity to slow the Board down and give them a chance to study all the implications of dismantling the diversity policy," Brown writes in the message.

You may have seen Thursday on WRAL about BiggerPicture4Wake getting a permit to hold a protest on Tuesday. That's not quite the case, according to Maria Mauriello, a leader of the group.

Mauriello said they got the permit so that supporters of the diversity policy can legally congregate outside the building if there aren't enough seats inside.

Here's Brown's e-mail message:

Dear friends,
Please read the following message, consider how much we love our beautiful diverse community, share the message with your friends who feel the same way, and come help us preserve our schools!
Matthew Brown

NOW IS THE TIME TO COME TO THE AID OF OUR SCHOOLS!

WHAT: Meeting of Wake County School Board
WHEN: Tuesday, Dec. 15, 3:00 until ?(get there early if possible!)
WHERE: Board Room, Wake County Schools HQ, 3600 Wake Forest Rd. , Raleigh

THE SITUATION:
It is likely that decisions will be made at the December 15 School Board meeting that will have serious impact on our children and our community. At the December 1 meeting, the new majority of the Board almost adopted a motion to dismantle the diversity policy that has been the bedrock of the success of the Wake County Public Schools, the prosperity of Wake County , and the health of Raleigh ’s older neighborhoods. Only the large crowd of passionate advocates in the audience and the indignant protests of the other board members caused the new majority to pause, and send the changes to the Policy Committee.

December 15 may be our best opportunity to slow the Board down and give them a chance to study all the implications of dismantling the diversity policy.

But after being embarrassed by the powerful arguments and large numbers of good citizens at the December 1 meeting, the anti-diversity folks are planning to pack the Board Room this time! The right-wing group “Americans For Prosperity” are planning a rally in front of the building at 2:30, and will then enter the meeting. (Americans for Prosperity was founded by an oil industry exec, and is the group that led the “tea parties” against health care, etc.)

WHAT WE NEED TO DO:
BE THERE! We have to be at the meeting in stronger numbers than the anti-diversity crowd! As we know, it is easier for politicians to do questionable things when there is a large mob cheering them on. We have to be in the seats before they can take them all! In fact, although AFP have announced their rally at 2:30, who knows what will actually happen. I plan to be there by 1:00, but 2:00 will probably be fine. The Committee of the Whole meets in a smaller room from 1:00 to 2:45. This includes all the board members, and can be very interesting. But if you go, be sure to slip out early to get a seat in the big room! During the meeting, be polite and respectful. You can applaud at appropriate times and gasp at appropriate times, but don’t shout or jeer. The chairman is allowed to cut off the public hearing if it becomes too unruly.

SPEAK TO THE BOARD! Those of us who are willing and inspired should speak at the board meeting! Members of the public are allowed to speak for up to three minutes each, so long as they have signed up on the sign-up sheet beforehand. There are usually two sign-up sheets: one for items on the agenda, and one for items not on the agenda. You will have to write your name, address and topic. Usually the chairman calls first for speakers addressing items on the agenda, in the order they signed up. The agenda hasn’t been published yet, but we certainly expect the diversity policy to be on it. And even if it does not appear on the published agenda, it can be added to the agenda during the meeting! As you speak, you will see a yellow light when you have 30 seconds left, and a red light when your three minutes are up.

THE SCHEDULE:
1:00-2:45 Committee of the Whole meets in the Board Conference room
Around 1:00 (usually): the sign-up sheet for speakers is placed outside the Board Room.
3:00 Full Board meeting begins in Board Room (big auditorium)
4:00 (usually) Members of public are allowed to speak, if previously signed up

WHAT WE NEED TO SAY:
We want to win over the new board members with facts, data, fresh perspectives, larger viewpoints, heartwarming stories, love for community, care for children, desire to succeed. We should be polite and respectful. We should be clear and concise. We should appeal to the new board members’ best intentions. They are intelligent successful people. Although we may disagree with them on this issue, they clearly have support from a lot of people, including some reasonable people. Consider their point of view. Their voters are not liberals from downtown neighborhoods. Their voters are suburban conservatives. At the end of this message are some points to consider in making your arguments. Feel free to use these points, but also feel free to be yourself and bring your own perspective to this issue! It would be wise to have several things prepared to say, in case a speaker before
you makes the point you intended to make!

DO: Persuade, enlighten, inspire, charm, clarify, fascinate, warn
DON’T: Insult, antagonize, bore, alienate, disrespect, lie, belittle, repeat other speakers

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS:
Q: Isn’t it too late? These people won the election, they are going to do what they want.
A: It is normal, even noble, for people to change perspective when they evolve from being a candidate to being an elected official, and have a chance to see all the facts and see the bigger picture. This has actually happened on the School Board before. The bottom line is that the school board wants to be a SUCCESS. We need to show them that dismantling the diversity policy will lead to FAILURE.

Q: Is the magnet system in jeopardy?
A. The new board majority has said they will not dismantle the magnets, but the magnet system is closely tied to the diversity policy. They have talked about adding magnets, which would dilute those currently in place. The answer is “nobody knows.”

Q: Where should we park?
A: There is a big parking lot at the Wake County Schools HQ. If it is full, there are plenty of offices and stores nearby with parking lots.

Q: Should we rally before the meeting?
A: Some say we should rally to show support. Some say we shouldn’t, because that puts us on “their level.” Some probably will. I hope the students do. If you rally, be polite and respectful; don’t be a jeering mob. And make sure you get a seat in the Board Room before the meeting begins!

Q: Will the media be there?
A: There will be heavy media coverage. If a member of the media asks you a question, make sure you give an answer you would be proud to see in the paper or on TV!

Q: How long will the meeting last?
A: Nobody knows! The last meeting lasted seven hours!

Q: What if I can’t get there until 3:00 or later?
A: Come anyway! If there is no room at the beginning of the meeting, there will definitely be room after folks begin to leave! And if you have to wait outside, perhaps you will have an opportunity to share your viewpoint with others.

Q: What else should we expect?
A: EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED! This could be the meeting of a lifetime! Passions are high and the stakes are higher!

Q: What else should I do?
A: Spread the word to your friends who share your values and care about our community!

STAY TUNED! ALL OF THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE!

SOME FACTS, DATA & OPINIONS TO CONSIDER:

Most recent reassignment in the public schools was due to growth. The Raleigh-Cary metropolitan area was the number one fastest growing metropolitan area in the United States , according to the census bureau’s most recent estimate.

Eliminating the diversity policy will not save money on busing. Even though Mecklenburg County has abandoned its diversity policy, it spends more on busing than Wake County : Last year Mecklenburg spent $52.5 million, and Wake only spent $35.8 million. And Mecklenburg is a smaller county: Mecklenburg is 526 square miles; Wake is 832 square miles.

Since Mecklenburg County has dismantled its diversity policy, it has had to pump a lot of extra money into its high-poverty schools to make up for their disadvantages. Last year Mecklenburg spent overall $8,595 per student, while Wake only spent $8,117 per student. That’s a difference of $478 per student. With 140,000 students, that adds up to over $68 million!

Mecklenburg’s abandonment of its diversity policy has caused many middle-class families to leave the public schools. This year’s enrollment in Mecklenburg ’s public schools is actually lower than last year’s, and is now lower than enrollment in Wake’s public schools. However, Mecklenburg has a much higher enrollment in its private schools than Wake County : 33% higher.

Wake County’s diversity policy has insured that all of our schools are good schools, and has earned us national acclaim. The quality of our schools has been one of the chief reasons Wake County is on the top of the various “best places to live” lists. This has brought us prosperity and jobs. Companies and families want to relocate here because they know we have a well-educated work force, and because they know they can live anywhere in the county and attend good public schools.

The Wake County schools are a tremendous bargain. Despite our low spending, our students consistently score among the highest in the state. Wake County ’s spending per pupil ranked 85th among the 115 school systems in the state, but our 2009 SAT scores were the 4th highest among the 115 school systems.

The data nationwide and in North Carolina is unequivocal that unless a school system makes a positive effort to integrate schools, the schools will segregate along racial and economic lines. The Mecklenburg school system abandoned its diversity policy eight years ago, and already some schools there have 95% students from low-income families. Many metropolitan areas have completely segregated schools because they have been allowed to gradually segregate over many years.

Research and experience show that residential patterns follow school population patterns. If the Wake County schools segregate, it will cause economic decline in the eastern and southern parts of the county, and more crowding in the northern and western parts.

A sound education in the modern world requires that a student be exposed to students from other races, backgrounds, and economic circumstances.

A healthy society requires that different elements of the society interact. It is projected that America will not have a majority race by the year 2050. We cannot prosper and grow as a nation if our different racial groups are segregated from each other for the first 18 years of their lives. We have seen around the world what happens to countries whose ethnic groups are segregated.

The North Carolina Constitution Article IX, section 2, subsection (1) provides for a uniform system of free public schools “wherein equal opportunities shall be provided for all students.” A child attending a high-poverty school and a child attending a diverse school will not have equal opportunities. High poverty schools have lower academic standards, more discipline problems, more crime and drugs, and more difficulty hiring and keeping good teachers.

The abandonment of the diversity policy would require the immediate reassignment of approximately 25,000 students, which would be very disruptive to families, children, teachers and communities. It would also be very expensive; to pay for it would require cutting other expenditures, as there is no proposal to increase the school system’s budget.

If every student were assigned to his or her closest school, some schools would be three quarters empty and some schools would have twice as many students as could fit in the building.

Magnet schools save money by 1) offering classes that it would not be economical to offer at every school, and 2) filling schools that would otherwise be underutilized.

Magnet schools take students out of overcrowded neighborhood schools, so that more nearby students can attend those schools.

Magnet schools bring middle-class students to low-income areas, along with their parents who can afford to volunteer and donate to the PTAs.

The School Board’s responsibility is not just to the 21,684 people who voted for the four new members in the last election. It is also to the 140,000 students in the Wake County public schools, to all 866,410 citizens of Wake County , to all our posterity, and to the principles of justice and fairness.

The Wake County School System’s success is based on the complicated interrelationship of the diversity policy, the magnet program, year-round schools, and many other systems and policies that have been carefully developed over many years. If it is torn asunder in haste, it may take decades to recover. It may never recover. America has thousands of school systems that were once great, but made a few mistakes and have never recovered.

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I know who many of the bloggers are. When you attend meeting after meeting after meeting, you sorta figure it out.

I meant no harm to user1234. It was just surprising to read that he is now the spokesman for CCCAAC yet has made no mention of it in his posts.

 

Disclosure

I agree with Richard Anderson. If the person that posts is a paid employee or paid volunteer of the school system or one of its supporters CIS, WEP, PTA, etc. that info should be disclosed if they post under a name other than their own--IMHO because they benefit financially from the relationship (conflict of interest disclosure). If an employee from the N&O or other media source posted under an assumed name that also could be misconstrued as trying to influence the outcome of an issue under less than transparent means. Who is Matthew Brown and what relationship does he have that makes him suspect? Keung? are there any internal blogging rules on your site for N&O employees? Thanks

Pfft...

I'd actually not know.  I'd rather have the discussion focused around ideas than on personalities.  If Del Burns wants to anonymously defend the existing system, he ought to be able to and, if his arguments are convincing, win people over to his way of thinking. 

 

Well, if I signed on as "Del

Well, if I signed on as "Del Burns" and he signed on as "anybodyelse1" don't you think people would think that his posting was more accurate/relevant/credible in an education-biased way because that is the field he works in?   Many postings are presented with data that folks presume is factual vs. some posts that are discussion of issues but interpreting what is posted by whom makes a big difference to me.  And IF Del Burns had to post on here to convince people under an assumed name to agree with him than our system is way worse off than I thought and we should definately get back the 5-6 mil for the media relations dept.

paid volunteer What is

paid volunteer

What is this and somebody sign me up!!

All paid employees of the

Do you mean all paid employees of the school system have to give up anonymity on the blog?  (teachers??)

Do those organizations that support the school system get paid? 

What is CIS and PTA?

If I remember correctly

If I remember correctly Keung blogged recently about the director of Communities in Schools wanting to get his funding back and hoping to convince the new school board to do so.  I categorize non-profit organizations that volunteer with the school system and receive grant money or salaries and or reimbursement under that scenario as paid volunteers.  If someone hopes to reinstate their funding or benefits financiallhy IN ANY WAY that should be disclosed.   I don't think teachers should have to give up their anonymity--as it would actually hurt them to do so, but I do appreciate it when people say they are a teacher, principal, etc. although I guess none of it is verifiable.   I guess this is why I read more often than I post. 

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FYI.... I am fairly certain that Matthew Brown is our very own user1234.   I had no idea he was now the spokesman for CCCAAC.

I was surprised to see that

I was surprised to see that as well. 

Why are you surprised?? 

Why are you surprised??  come on, some of us don't know the background so just out with it!

So user, Are you in fact

So user,

Are you in fact Matthew Brown?

This gets really old!  Why

This gets really old!  Why would you post this?  It's like the same as the username that just follows people around on here calling them "diana" or something!

Am I missing something? why would this matter?

Why?

why would this matter?

Don't jump on me because I agree with you for 99.44% of cases.  It matters when the person is the subject of the news or has a specific relationship tied to the subject of the news and is using the blog to influence perceptions.  So it basically never matters.  But if B1°gR79 comments on (for example) a story about Ron Margiotta and it turns out  B1°gR79 is Ron, then, in my opinion, that should be know.

BTW, I use Ron as an example because I think most of us know that he is, by his own admission, not technically savvy, so the hypothetical example is unlikely to be true.

Is their any legal basis for

Is their any legal basis for your statement?  or is it just how things should be in your opinion?  I am just wondering.

Just my opinion

As I said, I agree with you (not that the law agrees with you), but there are limited cases where I think disclosure should happen.  When I was (briefly and of minimal significance) part of the news I felt that I was obligated to let people know who I was.  I have never been anonymous, but made extra effort to be transparent about my identity when the news involved me.  I just thought it was the ethical thing to do.

How do you know?

How do you guys figure out who people are?  Obviously I am me and have never been anyone else, but for those who hide behind screen names, how do you figure it out (or think you have it figured out)?

I only know (or am fairly

I only know (or am fairly certain) that user is Brown because user mentioned being at a meeting that I was also at.  From the comments he made I was able to deduce who he was.

Supportwcpss is the person that some people think is Diana Bader.  I've thought it was her for a long time now but I'm not certain.  Anyway, Diana Bader is a member of Chuck's Student Assignment Advisory Committee and is very vocal about various school issues.  In person, she's rather brusque and rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and I think many people here have had unpleasant experiences with her.  Hence the intense interest in her identity.  

Hmm..

 I have seen Ms. Bader at Board meetings but didn't tie things together.  Whether you believe me or not I am not Ms. Bader even though I share some of her views. 

What bugs me is the need for you and others to raise speculation on who posters are.  Can we not remain anonymous?  I don't see you all calling for G88, Woodstock, or others real names. 

I think these accusations are in very poor taste. 

People in glass houses ....

Calling people Hitler, liers, saying they are on drugs is also in poor taste. Perhaps if you didn't resort to doing this you would gain more respect and avoid accusations.

Haha you are

Haha you are AngelaW!!

you're right guys, this is fun! 

Woodstock is Kristen Stocking????

Actually this is a waste of time.

They are not accusations but

They are not accusations but it is unnecessary to identify posters when the vast majority prefer anonymity.

What is the point of posting

What is the point of posting this?  

well, let's see Carson. 

well, let's see Carson.  You've asked how many times now what all of those comments mean?   Rich also asked how some people might know who some of the other posters are.  Just explaing it for him.

Don't ask if you don't want to know the answer.

I'm so confused!

So liberal groups are organizing to keep in place policies that have led to only 54.2% of children who receive free and reduced lunch graduating after four years, and conservatives are trying to hold the system accountable for educating all students, regardless of whether they live in a poor or wealthy area. Is that right?

Nothing to be confused about

Much to the unhappiness of the "diversity" whiners, it doesn't matter what they do, how many show up and moan or how many throw blocks, we have a new school board!  PERIOD! The new school board is going in a different direction, thankfully, with or without their blessing!

FINALLY!

....."whiners"?.....this

....."whiners"?.....this language does not help any hope of real debate and consensus on the significant issues facing this county

Would you rather

I say what I really think?

"What we need to say"

Don't they trust their supporters to know what they already believe?

Why am I not surprised that another liberal group is 'organizing'. Seems to be a lot of that going around.....

WILL YEVONNE BRANNON OPEN THE BAR?

What a great spokesperson they have in her.

 

"Will Yevonne Brannon Open

"Will Yevonne Brannon Open the Bar?"

Gee, I sure hope not.  With all those people of opposing viewpoints milling about, the last thing we need to do is to add alcohol.

 

Hui

Where did you get this email? Did the group intend it to be posted publicly?

With all due respect, it

With all due respect, it doesn't matter if they intended it to be posted publicly. It's an indicator of how groups are organizing for next week's school board meeting.

No, an indicator would have

No, an indicator would have been the beginning of your post - not including the full text of the email.

Why did you not post the full text of the call from Americans for Prosperity or Called2Action to rally at the meeting?

The difference is that

The difference is that Americans for Prosperity and Called2Action had links, which I included, that could be clicked on for people to view the full messages themselves. I didn't have a similar link for the e-mail message. If I had, I would have done the same thing and not run the full text.

Ok, exactly, so they were

Ok, exactly, so they were meant for public posting (Called2Action and AFP) - this clearly was not! 

 

This is a blog...

and anything (within reason and legality) can be posted.  Esp. something that has been sent out to others.  Just like everything else on the internet, if you want something to be kept private, then don't put it in writing.

ok one more time...I did not

ok one more time...I did not say he could not post it.  But there is a difference between a posting on an organization's website and an email sent only to its members as far as privacy and appropriateness.  That's all I meant, he compared the 2 as if they were the same and they are not.

Like someone else said, it may be a good thing for them that the talking points got disseminated by someone else's hand. 

Got some info

I just read the blog post on CCCAAC booted people of their litserv.  In that post you tried to uncover Mr. Hui's source.  He told you that he had spoken with Ms. Wright concerning that issue before posting.  How do you know that this isn't the case this time around as well?  Maybe he asked Ms. Wright if the email was available as a link, and when it was not, she told him to post the text.  You seem very willing to assume the worst when of Mr. Hui when it involves the CCCAAC.

I didn't want to assume so

I didn't want to assume so that's why I asked him.  Before, he ponied Ms. Wright up with a quickness.  Now not so much. 

I always assume the worst of him!  I admit it and I'm working on it.

Heh....

So, the standard should be "If X is not intended for public posting, then it should not be publicly posted"?

Doesn't that strike you as being awfully limiting?  How do you feel about the public disclosure of information regarding the treatment of detainees in Guantanimo?  How about the videotapes of Acorn?  What about the emails between McCain staffers about Sarah Palin? 

If these organizations wanted this information to be kept secret, they should have kept it secret.  I don't think Keung hacked into anybody's email to get it.

 

I didn't say it couldn't be

I didn't say it couldn't be posted, just that I wasn't sure if it was appropriate, especially in absence of talking points from the other side. 

I know he doesn't have to tell me who gave it to him but I wanted to know how he got them given this group just had to kick people off the listserv for working against their goals but posing as members interested in helping (Kristen Stocking right?).  I think that their is a chance that Kristen Stocking is distributing the materials from the listserv to Hui. 

It struck me as odd that he would post privately disseminated (notice I didn't say "confidentially" or "legally protected") communications from a group to its members. 

Especially when that group has admitted to problems with people trying to obtain their communications (signing up for the listserv) when they are in fact actively working against the group's mission.

"I wanted to know how he

"I wanted to know how he got them given this group just had to kick
people off the listserv for working against their goals but posing as
members interested in helping (Person X right?).  I think that
their is a chance that Person X is distributing the materials
from the listserv to Hui. "  [quote edited to remove person's name]

You seem so concerned about Mr. Hui's journalistic ethics, yet it troubles you not at all to make accusations against an individual --- and it's not even a rational accusation.  If, indeed, this individual had been kicked off the listserv, then how would she be able to distribute listserv information to the media?

Especially when that group

Especially when that group has admitted to problems with people trying
to obtain their communications (signing up for the listserv) when they
are in fact actively working against the group's mission.

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you have no idea what you are talking about.

There was a blog posting

There was a blog posting about it.  I would post but no linking.

 

I know what happened.  I'm

I know what happened.  I'm saying that you don't know much about it.

well fill us all in then

well fill us all in then since you (guessing) were one of the people removed from the listserv? 

Why didn't you give the info on the earlier blog posting about it?

I am confused

Carson, I understand the issue about someone working against the group getting access to the emails.  Really, I do, but at the same time, lobbing that grenade around Mr. Hui, even if you aren't aiming at him, is really unfair.  After all, the email says:

WHAT WE NEED TO DO:
BE THERE! We have to be at the meeting in stronger numbers than the anti-diversity crowd!

Giving extra publicity to the cause isn't exactly the worst thing to do for an email seeking to get the largest number of people to show up to an event.  Having been at this myself, believe me when I tell you that getting coverage of what you do and say is an enormous plus.  You know who I am and what I have done, so you know that this isn't just conjecture.

That said, I don't think that the problem of "people trying to obtain their communications (signing up for the
listserv) when they are in fact actively working against the group's
mission" was actually common knowledge.  Seems like you might have a level association beyond the norm.

 

I don't know who you are or

I don't know who you are or what you have done or how you were in the news, but cool.  I will google you! 

Honestly I know plenty on here think he is biased the other way, but Hui *to me* is biased for the anti-WCPSS people.

This goes back to when he first started writing for the paper - his tone was off compared to other education articles I read and he used colorful language I found inflammatory - I was one of the people who objected to labeling reassignments as "shuffling," so it was things like this.  I could be completely wrong.  I think many on the blog think the previous education reporter was biased for my side.  So it's all how you look at it but I think it is ok for me to look with a critical eye and question things. 

A lot of people are kind of friendly with him on the blog and then I get a "WITH ALL DUE RESPECT" for 1 comment!!

My 15

Carson,

My 15 miuntes seconds of fame:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/education/story/68705.html

I'm offended!

I'm offended you don't remember me! Cry

Believe me, Mr. Hui and I aren't best buddies.  I have had some pretty harsh words for him on more than one occasion.  However, in this case, I think you are out of line to question what he has done.  The gathering before the meeting is a newsworthy event and he should publish whatever information he may have that is germane to the topic.  I have held that opinion even when it worked against me.

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