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Decrying the lack of support for the diversity policy

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For a less emotional but still upset perspective of Tuesday's election results, you might want to try the latest column by Chris Fitzimon.

Fitzsimon, executive director of the liberal N.C. Policy Watch, argues that the diversity policy was overturned by only 3 percent of Wake County's voters. It's based on the votes for the WSCA candidates as a share of the registered voters in Wake.

"The four resegregationist candidates received just over 18,000 votes combined, or roughly 3 percent," Fitzsimon writes. "That is hardly a sweeping mandate to return to separate and allegedly equal schools, though you'd never know it from the headlines or the proclamations from the winners on Tuesday."

Fitzsimon takes to task the business community, the civil rights community, Gov. Beverly Perdue and State Schools Supt. June Atkinson for not speaking up for diversity.

"The leaders would not have made the difference by themselves, but their participation in a long, louder, and more aggressive campaign might have prompted more of the complacent majority to show up at the polls by reminding them what was at stake," Fitzsimon writes.

Fitzsimon has written about the school board elections several times over the past few months. This includes an August column criticizing the Wake Schools Community Alliance.

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Breath in two, three, four; out two, three, four

Wow - I've been reacquainting myself with my personal life and other duties are calling, but have now scanned most of the posts since the election.

So much needless angst from some. Some fear we are going back to the 1940s, 50s or 60s (they've all been mentioned). Those decades were 40+ years ago and were about race, not class. They are OVER FOREVER. NO ONE wants to go back and thankfully there is no going back.

My brother (rest his soul) was born in 1949. He was black in the same sense as President Obama (white (German) mother, black father). When my mother and his father talked about marriage, they knew they could NEVER, NEVER go the father's home town in SC. They never did marry. When my parents married in the 50s, my (white) father adopted my brother. My father put in for assignments in the North, West or overseas, never the South (not hard to figure why - two white parents with a black son). Still even outside the South, sometimes my father would take my brother to the club on post (military) and when my father wasn't around some made comments to my brother. Those soldiers then likely about went in their pants when my father walked up and they realized my brother was the son of a higher ranked person. That was more than 40 years ago. That was then, this is NOW. Times have CHANGED. Attitudes have CHANGED FOREVER. Now to see mixed-race people, couples and families of many varieties is not a rarity. I see them in my neighborhood, family, stores, school and most people don't bat an eye. I did see an interview on CNN with an affluent, black women who said she felt invisible because she does not meet the stereotype. Why do some want to continue to perpetuate old stereotypes and ways of thinking? Time has moved on, society has moved on.

Are there still some racists? Yes, on all sides actually. I've had a few anti-white racist experiences. Do I let those define how I feel about black people? Of course not. I saw some report on an American Nazi party rally in DC. It was a busload of 30 people (rightfully so there were more protesters of the rally than Nazis - idiot Nazis combined the American flag with their Nazi crap - earth to idiots, America is about FREEDOM, the Nazis are about anything but - duh.) There will always be some idiots in any barrel, but for every idiot there are thousands of non-idiots.

Let's not let idiots define us, each other, our conversations with each other or have their way by putting walls between us. Let's not let the liberal fear-mongers do that either. This election was/is about moving FORWARD, not backward, and improving achievement for ALL students.

Turnout had nothing to with it. The polling results show that county-wide 61% oppose the policy, only 29% support and 10% were undecided. More A-A also opposed than supported the policy. Considering the status quo candidates in D1, D7 and D9 received around 35-40% of the vote, they did as well as could be expected. The majority of voters do not support the policy, because they do not believe it is needed and/or they see that is has not helped student achievement. Period.

Someone needs to point out to Fitzsimon that the civil rights issue of today is CLOSING THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP. That's pretty hard to do when the status quo folks running the school system EXPECT there to be a continuing gap and expect lower-income students to perform lower. Tell me again who has the problem with diversity? How is expecting less achievement of certain groups diversity? I'll NEVER get that. I thought that was being prejudice and the majority of We the People here are done with that thinking.

So you are saying . . .

So, where do you stand on the diversity policy?  Should all of these free/reduced lunch students be sent back to their neighborhoods, or should the school board try to save some sort of socioeconomic diversity in these wealthy, white schools?

If by diversity policy

you mean policy 6200 as currently written - I do not agree with it as written. IMO the goal (creating and maintaining a diverse study body) is good, but not the detail provisions. I support the view of diversity that you'll find in most diversity programs today based on the diversity wheel. Each of us is a unique individual based on a numerous factors (gender, race, SE background, heritage, education, just to name a few of the many) and should not be stereotyped or prejudged based on just one of those factors. Policy 6200 is based on stereotyping groups and then saying to create diversity, we must have a certain mixture of each stereotype. I do not support that thinking. I've had a diverse life and experiences and don't fit stereotypes and pigeon holes myself.

Why do you refer to F&R as "these" F&R? Why must we get so hung up on if someone is F&R or not F&R? The fastest way to tick my mom off was to suggest that I couldn't do as well at something just because we had less. Where I come from F&R are not viewed any differently than non-F&R and no one gives a rat's ___ about what %F&R are at this school or that. They just focus on academic achievement for ALL students and the achievement gap is much lower. Also, the broader community doesn't have this us/them divide. Everyone is an individual and all work together. Where does this attitude come from that F&R must attend a school across town to achieve? Where I'm from higher F&R schools do just fine thank you very much, as in 55% F&R school given award for top eight in state. I went to a great 70% F&R school. Other places have KIPP and sucessful higher F&R charter schools. It's the how that needs focus, like for starters bagging this attitude (which has been institutionalized in the WCPSS eval model) of lower expectations for low-income.

"Save some sort of SE diversity in wealthy, white schools"

First off it would be SE diversity in schools in areas where almost all of individuals are wealthy, white. As WCPSS is county-wide and resouces are allocated on enrollment, a school in one area does not receive more than a school in another area except for magnets and actually Title I schools (those with greater than a certain %F&R receive Title I funds). It is not like say Syracuse, where the city and county systems are separate, and therefore, have a different tax base. People seem to confuse the benefits of a combined tax base here with bussing.

Second, to what purpose and at what cost? I live in a diverse area and what WCPSS started doing was reassigning F&R students out of their diverse community school where a higher % pass EOGs than district average to go diversify a school 18 miles away. That is NOT in the best interest of the students. Why should they have to be on bus for 18 miles to be the token SE diversity? When creating some narrow-minded view of diversity trumps academic achievement, that's a problem.

There's this odd presumption out there that one must be "exposed" to people who are different in school or one will have a problem with "diversity." My spouse has a relative that went to schools that were >95% white, he married a black women. People's views of those that are not exactly like them come from a variety of sources and experiences, not just from with whom they attend school. Many of the schools here even if they are not SE diverse have students from various cultures and backgrounds.

 

I don't think you're asking me - but I'll answer anyway...

Last year, Highcroft had 29.4% of their ED kids pass both reading and math EOG's.  It's hard to see on the map of the base attendance area - but it's fair to say that those kids are bussed a long way.  HC has the lowest (by the data I am tracking) percentage of F&R students in elementary school across the county.

Millbrook ES - which is also a magnet - had 37.2 % of their ED kids pass both.  It's also got a much higher percentage of F&R kids. (~55%)

Stastically, the F&R kid being sent to Highcroft is not going to be as successful as a peer going to a school closer to home.  (like MEMS)  Why?

I don't know why - I don't have all the answers... but this is the kind of thing that we need to dig into.  This idea that moving the kids around is better for everyone.  Who is it better for?  When?  What are the specific circumstances?  Is there a tipping point?  What can we learn from the data?

Economic diversity is a noble goal, and something that schools should strive to have in place to the degree that it makes sense to do so - meaning (to me)  that the diversifying of a school cannot make it less likely for a child - any child - to end up in an enviroment that is not going to support or nurture that child to his or her fullest potential.

Diversity is important.  Education is important.  Neither is MORE IMPORTANT than the other.  An economically diverse population of middle achievers - or worse - failing students  is not going to help break any cycles of poverty.  (note - i also believe that an intolerant population of geniuses is also not going to do us any favors either.)

The real question to me is how can Highcroft find the kind of success with their ED population that Millbrook, or Lead Mine, or a whole host of other higher F%R schools has found?? 

(I am NOT picking on Highcroft... they just happened to be at the top of my spreadsheet that I keep tracking F&R populations in schools... no need to slam me please... it's just for example.)

 

 

Yeah, I noticed that

Yeah, I noticed that Highcroft was an anomaly … they have low diversity and the few (17?) kids they do have they do not educate  - look down the list and you will see Highcroft is as bad as it gets … every other school does better - there is something wrong with that school

Anomalies all over the place

Wakefield, Penny Road, Sanford Creek, North Forest Pines are also
'anomalies' -- and those are just a few schools that I sampled.

Since
there's little correlation between F&R percentage and performance
of F&R students, you're going to find so-called "anomalies" all
over the place.  I suggest that they're not as anomalous as you think.

What's wrong is the idea that poor students will do better when they're moved to a school with wealthier students.  

A couple of things ... I

A couple of things ... I think we agreed that these correlations don't always work - e.g. HS is the reverse ... the lower the F&R% the higher their scores in HSs ... my comment about Highcroft still stands in how poorly they do with ED kids ... isn't Highcroft in the middle of a highend neighborhood?  Maybe the non-neighborhood kids are isolated and rejected unintentionally by neighborhood kids??... just a theory on why Highcroft does so well with wealthy kids and so poorly with EDs ...also, kids should be welcome and do well in any school they attend and they should not have to have a certain income level to be accepted and do well.

I wouldn't call it rejection

I think what tends to happen from a kid social perspective is like Bob said, kids tend to hang with kids with which they have multiple connections (see each other outside of school). Kids bussed in spend 2+ hours a day together on the bus and live in the same area so they probably have those connections with each other as well, especially when nodes have been reassigned multiple times. The only consistent friends they've had access to are those from their own node. Make sense? It's not a rejection, just a matter of opportunity for connection. I'm not sure to what extent the lack of broader connection may impact students' attitude about school academically. I know there are cases of students that could do well academically, but become demotivated by social struggles at school.

In my experience, what may be more a factor is teaching approach - large group versus more differentiated and degree of focus. (By differentiated, I mean within one classroom, not dividing by level into different classrooms.) If 90% of the students at the school entering K have had ample exposure to learning prior to K and 10% have had little, there may be a tendency to focus more on the 90%. If 40% have had ample exposure, 40% have little and 20% are somewhere in between, there may be a greater liklihood that each level gets focus, which may explain why at the ES level there isn't a clear correlation between %ED and ED performance. It's tough to pinpoint at the ES level because there is so much variation from school to school as far as philosophies and practices.

Isolation

I suspect that 'isolation' is much more direct.  My kids hang around with the same kids at school as they hang around with after school -- the other kids who live in the neighborhood and the kids they know from extra-curricular activities.  I suppose the cumulative result of that is that kids who are bussed in are isolated.

I agree that a school should welcome students regardless of why they were assigned to that school.  But, the school can't (and shouldn't try to) force individual kids to do that. 

Last year, Highcroft had

Last year, Highcroft had 29.4% of their ED kids pass both reading and math EOG's.  It's hard to see on the map of the base attendance area - but it's fair to say that those kids are bussed a long way.  Millbrook ES - which is also a magnet - had 37.2 % of their ED kids pass both.  It's also got a much higher percentage of F&R kids. (~55%)

  

Those kids don’t deserve to be in our school.  Their parents cannot afford to be here so neither should they.  Your data proves they are better off with their own kind ...

Again, just because you live

Again, just because you live near a school does not mean you own that school or have exclusive rights to it -- it is public

Trolling

That guy's just a troll, deliberately trying to stir the pot.  The "their own kind" thing (among others) is a patently offensive attempt to misrepresent the position of those of us who wanted to inject some common sense back into the school board. 

The thing that gives you moral (but, of course, not legal) rights to a school is pouring time, energy and money into supporting that school.  If the district punishes parental involvement, then it will get less involvement.  Proximity makes that involvement a lot easier.

 

Off Year Elections ....

Off year elections are ALWAYS sparsely participated ..... the "pro-Diversity" board members who were defeated were likewise voted IN by a very small % of the community. Fitzsimons , like Perry Woods, is a spinmeister for his side.

Liberals NEVER lose elections ..... they just don't stuff the ballot boxes enough some times. EVERYBODY thinks like Fitzsimons, Rob Christensen, Kristin Collins etc ..... NOT!

I keep hearing that it was a

I keep hearing that it was a low turn out. Wasn't a much larger turn out than last time with the current crop of idiots were elected? Its seems to me it was voter apathy that lead to the current situation. It was voter awaken that is leading us out of it.

I see it this way ... people

I see it this way ... people admire Vernon Malone, chair of the 1976 Wake County Board of Education, for his leadership in consolidating the primarily Black Raleigh and primarily White County school system despite overwhelming rejection by White voters into an integrated school system where Whites will soon be a minority. But those who worked to reverse those gains (even unintentionally) will not receive the same admiration and accolades when people look back on their contributions …

...

From an N&O article about Malone:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/education/story/85836.html

"Right away, as chairman, he started fighting. When a consultant's plan
called for busing black students out of Southeast Raleigh, he accused
them of "butchering" the neighborhood. "

They are still bussing black students out of SE Raleigh but they are butchering everyone's neighborhoods now.

 

The difference is, the

The difference is, the people currently working for change are NOT looking for personal admiration or accolades (which you appear to be stuck on).  They want to educate children. 

Exactly!

Exactly!

Here's some slander for

Here's some slander for you:

Fitzsimon is a moron.

Slander has to be false.

Slander has to be false. Nice try though. : )

Good point.

Good point.

Based on the apparent apathy

Based on the apparent apathy and/or ambiguity of the African-American community in this week's election, are we to conclude that they are re-segregationist too?

white flight areas tend not

white flight areas tend not to have lots of black people in them.

naturally.

Congressional BLACK Caucus

Congressional BLACK Caucus, NAACP   Coalition for Concerned African American Parents

Who's self segregating?

uh, yeah.

hmmmmmm. Yeah, interesting questions, very interesting. j'agree. 

Irony

Did you miss the irony or were you just playing dumb?

But its an interesting question. If black families CHOOSE to congregate together and build their own schools for success - would the status quo still label that segregation? Are historically black colleges racist and self-segregated? Are historically women's colleges sexist and exclusionary? I just think some people learn better under various conditions and no one should tell them they can't.

Whatever happens, I know that WSCA wants as much choice involved as humanly possible. So, is the argument that 'we' shouldn't let some folks make what 'we' deem a 'bad' choice? Some may choose to continue to travel long distances. Some may choose a neighborhood school. That is the kind of flow that will get us some real, and hopeful diversity in Wake County. NOT FORCED. 

I just think that some folks lack of faith in their fellow neighbors is very sad. All this political rhetoric has polluted our trust in other parents.

Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? I don't think there is a big bad wolf - even when you talk about the political characters -  Ann Denlinger really only rates as a weasel. Chuck might be a badger. But no wolves I don't reckon.  

 

:-)

weasels and badgers - true, although the phrase "in sheep's clothing" keeps coming to my mind when I think about some people.

That sounds like

That sounds like SLANDER to me. These candidates most certainly are NOT resegregationist. Be careful, Mr. Fitzsimon, your motives are showing and its not pretty. I don't think you're doing this for the children now, are you?

whining

wow - a whole lot of whining and not one word about EDUCATING kids. When will they get it - their mythical hordes who are satisfied w/ the current policies are few and far between. And, while turnout was low, it was much more than elected this current board. Hardly a mandate there either.

'But even if Tedesco wins, there's time for the school system's supporters to get their act together and convince the new board that overturning the diversity policy would have disastrous consequences for thousands of kids and their families and hamper the county's economic development efforts.'

there it is... hamper the county's development efforts.
School are for educating kids, and the current board should not be touting their success when only 54% of ED kids graduate.

Ha!

What a horrible use of data. I can turn it around on him and say that UNDER 3% of Wake voters supported the diversity policy. Maybe 97% of voters are what he calls "resegregationists."

"resegregationist" - fitzimon chose that carefully

the anti-resegregationists, to follow fitzimon's nomenclature, were too apathetic to vote. why? because those that support the economic diversity policy, which I think most parents do to some extent, were not happy with the overall tenor of things the past few years, and thus not enthused enough to vote. i really am interested to see how the tedesco-truitt run off goes -- its being built up already as the ultimate last stand.

What Fitzsimons doesn't

What Fitzsimons doesn't understand or realize is that many parents that are unhappy with the school system could not vote in this election. They don't live in a district that was electing a new BOE member. People all over Wake County are unhappy with the "status quo." Many Democrats in our district would have gladly voted in someone to stop the unnecessary busing, reassignments and arrogance of the school board. Parents want stability for their kids - regardless of their party affiliation. And btw - we live ITB!!!

I heart

I heart oldparent...

 =)

I agree, WCPSS would be

I agree, WCPSS would be amazed at the results if the entire county could have voted on the issues at hand.  It would have been a landfall of people voting against the "status quo" in this county.

This guy

should worry about Shearon Harris and leave the education to people who understand the issues!  The ones who got elected!

As for the "ultimate last stand", if she looked at the reality of it, her "conversation of resegregation" is going to make people do 2 things, shake their heads in disgust and cause many of not to support her the 2nd time around!   It's absurd!

Simple Solution

Perhaps Mr. Fitzsimons should reconsider his position against at-large elections for school board members. Every status quo supporter has been against at-large elections, including Jennifer Weiss who was at the "Friends of Diversity" gathering. Perhaps, now that they don't like the results of the elections, they will reconsider the matter.

"The four resegregationist

"The four resegregationist candidates received just over 18,000 votes combined..."

I don't consider that type of language "less emotional." More articulate maybe, but not less emotional. "Resegregationist?"

Less over the top might have

Less over the top might have been more appropriate than less emotional. It's less over the top than the stinging nettle commentary.

Hey Keung

You can take shots at me all you want, bub.  Thanks for the readership.

 

Did you enjoy your champagne Tuesday night?

If you havent' noticed,

If you havent' noticed, I've blogged about reaction from various groups about the election results. Does the fact that I included the reaction from Chris Fitzsimon, Bill James or you mean I was "taking a shot?" I've got two more posts running today showing two more perspectives.

 You guys have got to get it out of her your head that I was celebrating the results. The same goes for those who thought I must be upset about what happened. Stop being as paranoid as the people who were saying that the election results revealed the fallacy of my perceived liberal, biased coverage.

Keung

I do not envy your job one bit!

wow

touchy

Champaign for any reason

is a good thing!  Thanks for the wealth of info you have provided in this latest election season.  If the paper ever goes belly up you know that you'll have to start the "Hui Blog" somewhere else, so don't ever think you can escape.  :c )

Amen, Keung!  Every once in

Amen, Keung!  Every once in a while I'll think that I know how you feel about a certain issue but then you'll say something else that will change my mind.  I  gave up trying to figure out which 'side' you were on long ago (not that I ever spent too much effort on it to begin with).  I don't care what 'side' you're on as long as you present all the information.  I know you can't always do that in the actual newspaper but you sure do so here on the blog.  For that I am grateful!

Ditto. I have tremendous

Ditto. I have tremendous respect for Mr. Hui. He exemplifies the highest journalistic standards. It is sometimes frustrating when I want him to attack the other side, but he does the ethical thing and reports the news and lets the reader decide the respective merits of the agruments.

Hip Hip Hooray

Wait to smack them about Mr Hui.  It's definitely not about you cheering for either side.  It's about sensationalism and how many hits you can bring to the blog.

Good job.

Actually, the sensationalism

Actually, the sensationalism is usually published on the editorial page of this newspaper.

Can we assume you will now

Can we assume you will now be changing your screen name, supportwcpss?

I thingk L'user1234567 is

I think L'user1234567 is still open.  Probably not for long so support needs to hurry.

Stinging Nettle commentary

Stinging Nettle commentary must have been ghost written by G88 or his alter ego.  

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