Here are two competing views of what the Wake County school system needs or doesn't need.
In an op-ed in Monday's N&O, Allison Backhouse of Wake Schools Community Alliance accuses the school system of working for itself and not being family friendly. In an attack on reassignment, the diversity policy and mandatory year-round schools, she urges voters to back the group's candidates in this fall's elections.
Chris Fitzsimon, executive director of the liberal N.C. Policy Watch, fired back Tuesday with an online column challenging Backhouse's assertions. Fitzsimon contends that "the people in Wake County are proud of their school system and don’t want to see it dismantled and returned to separate and unequal."
UPDATE
Click here for the response to Fitzsimon's column at Bob Luebke's blog for the conservative Civitas Institute.



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Semi-OT Article: Turnaround Schools That Work
Mon, 08/31/2009 - 12:17 — WakeCountyParentFound this mention of WCPSS in the Aug 28th edition of Education Week:
"A leading example of this comes from Wake County, N.C., which includes the city of Raleigh and its surrounding suburbs. As Gerald Grant notes in his important new book Hope and Despair in the American City: Why There Are No Bad Schools in Raleigh, Wake County school officials made a critical decision in the early 1980s to avoid the problems associated with concentrated poverty in neighboring Durham schools and provided virtually every Raleigh school with a special theme, such as science and technology, arts and theater, or International Baccalaureate. Raleigh’s inner-city schools, which had been marked by white flight, were soon filled with economically and racially diverse student enrollments. Many of the schools had waiting lists.
To prevent the creation of enclaves of privilege, the Raleigh magnets are nonselective. And to avoid legal problems associated with using race in assigning students, the schools look for a mix of pupils who are and are not eligible for subsidized lunch. The results have been very promising. Wake County, writes Grant, “reduced the gap between rich and poor, black and white, more than any other large urban educational system in America.” The district’s results track with data from the National Assessment of Educational Progress for mathematics, which finds that low-income 4th grade students attending more-affluent schools are two years ahead of low-income students stuck in high-poverty schools."
Link: http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2009/09/02/02kahlenberg.h29.html?tkn=OZYFj3kR2pdcL1LxHclyoZAnm%2F17C8B9KFhT
E-mailed to Mr.
Sun, 08/30/2009 - 08:42 — sstarksE-mailed to Mr. Fitzsimmons:
As you critique CMS, you neglect to mention that we have a much higher and deeper poverty rate than Wake County (Considering that we bused for over 30 years one does have to wonder why poverty has increased rather than decreased—why weren’t the parents of today’s students better prepared for the workplace? And why so do many of these parents say they had poor experiences in school—that shouldn’t have happened in those nicely balanced schools of the past.). You also neglect the comparison of EOG’s between CMS and Wake County. The results for high poverty and minority students are remarkably similar (documented by Queens University study), although in the early 2000’s Wake’s minority students were scoring better than CMS’s. Additionally, there is a world of difference between the CMS of today and that of 10 or more years ago. Facilities are much better throughout the city, the achievement gap is being seriously addressed (rather than being hidden by “balanced” schools), and the community continues to express strong support for the school system. Children at our Focus schools receive many additional services not available (or needed) at lower poverty schools.
Data of course can be tricky and easily manipulated to prove what you want to prove. But by ignoring or glossing over legitimate concerns that parents have, you are heightening the divide within Wake County. This belittling of parental concerns, especially those of suburban parents, was rampant in the Charlotte community in the late 90’s—the Observer bought into it hook, line, and sinker. Our community is still suffering from the distrust fostered by that attitude.
TEDESCO Silenced?
Fri, 08/28/2009 - 13:52 — JTedescoIt appears the divide represented by the two articles noted is everywhere in Wake County. Yesterday on a thread about Saturdays CCCAAC forum, I commented that I would be attending. Well my friends, it appears I may have been mistaken about the willingness of the CCCAAC to hear all candidates. I was just contacted back by Mrs. Sutton and told I would not be permitted to speak in tomorrow's forum.
My call to them yesterday to notify them of the oversight and express my sincere willingness to participate was not met with appreciation. I was told that they already have a schedule and other candidates have been allotted the time. I was further told that I would not be allowed to participate.
I was then informed that they had no other problems with candidates who used the e-vite process, although as you can see from the update they did allow other candidates the opportunity to enter in the forum late. The update posting of their acceptance came after my phone calls to the CCCAAC. I encouraged them to reconsider they said “no”. I asked if, while I may not be permitted to partake in the whole forum, that maybe I could simple have an opportunity to have a 2 minute introduction of myself. I was again told “no”. So needless to say, I am extremely disappointed.
I am not one for bold remarks about others, but I can confidently say, that no other candidate in any other district has done more to serve, or been more entrenched in the needs of African American children than myself. I grew up in and out of slums, projects and gospel churches. I have an African American God-son (Ty). I have lived in the same households with African American friends and families several times in my life after various life situations.
I have dedicated my life to serving vulnerable communities. More so, for over a decade I have built countless programs, homeless shelters, prison outreach, mentoring activities and generated millions of dollars for public private partnerships for at-risk youth and tens and tens of thousands of African Americans. All of which I can confidently say will serve me with a better understanding of the needs of this community than Mr. Tart or Mrs. Truitt will ever have.
I have dedicated my life to helping our communities most vulnerable. The core centerpiece of my platform is targeted to vulnerable low-income communities. But it appears that because I have been endorsed by some they might not agree with that I am not welcome to share my views and vision on how we can better serve our most challenged children. I will avoid rampant speculation on their motives, but this is a sad day for Wake County and the children who need us the most.
I will attend tomorrow, and would welcome anyone who wishes to join me.
John Tedesco
http://venitapeyton.com/2009
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 07:04 — AngelaWhttp://venitapeyton.com/2009/08/hope-for-troubled-enloe-student.html
Since the 'black community' is in such disarray from groups and individuals trying to curry 'favor' for their personal needs, I see more hope for Curtis after Wake County School Board candidate John Tedesco gets elected in the fall. Because as Vice President of Development for Big Brothers and Big Sisters of the Triangle, John has the expertise and desire to see all children succeed.
Maybe that's why fringe groups like the Coalition of Concerned Citizens of African American Children want to keep John Tedesco from being heard. In a late minute development John is being disallowed from speaking at their forum for school board candidates.
While I haven't read all
Fri, 08/28/2009 - 20:41 — shank56While I haven't read all the posts and threads for myself or tried to aborve your post, it is a shame that you are not allowed to speak or present your side.
You did follow all of the equally posted and publicized guidelines and rules for this group?
Ho-ly cow. I am truly
Fri, 08/28/2009 - 17:24 — jenmanHo-ly cow. I am truly speechless.
I am sorry to here you were
Fri, 08/28/2009 - 15:37 — user12345I am sorry to here you were disinvited ... I agree it is sad day ... good luck ...
That comment is typically
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 20:59 — jenmanThat comment is typically followed by we visited Garner once last year isn't that enough.
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You aren't paying attention. We've had one meeting a month starting sometime in the Spring. The first was Holly Springs. Then Wake Forest, Garner, Knightdale, Morrisville and the most recent one in Cary. We have members from all over the county--some attending low F&R schools, some attending high F&R schools. Some attending MYR, VYR, magnets, and traditional. Some of our children are bused farther than we'd like them to be and others attend their closest school.
You are arguing just for argument's sake and you're defeating yourself. You agree with much of what we are fighting for so why not be a part of the solution instead of just throwing out baseless accusations? You've had plenty of opportunities to voice your concerns yet you have refused to take advantage of any of them. You've been invited to our monthly meetings, and I've asked you to email me personally or to email WSCA. We have members who originally were wary of us but they are now working with us to make WCPSS better for EVERY child. You could have been helping to shape the direction that WSCA takes but you'd rather sit back on the sidelines and criticize without doing anything yourself.
Horrors of Reassignment......
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 13:30 — WuptdoLet's see, same house in Cary for 11 years. 2009-2010 will be our FOURTH reassignment to a different high school. That Mr. Fitzsimons is what I call a "horror!"
Do you or your "Friends of Wake County" or even Mr. Norwalk care to comment?
Did you get caught up in
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:21 — CaryCurmudgeonDid you get caught up in last year's debacle when WCPSS had Panther Creek over-enrolled by 500 students while Cary HS was under-enrolled by 500 students?
Stop the growth, stop (at
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:15 — user12345Stop the growth, stop (at least slow) the reassignment ... opening so many new school every year is killing us.
We have to pull together
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 11:50 — user12345From my child's teacher ...
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Because of the budget crisis, we are all adjusting to many changes. Your child is in a class of 37! Teachers have been asked to limit the amount of paper we use - so I am asking a huge favor! If you would consider donating a pack of paper, I would really appreciate it! Paper is a resource that I must have and with two very large classes this semester, I am concerned that I will use my school allotment long before the semester ends. I appreciate your willingness to consider this request!
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I plan to help out and hope others will too in their schools ... don't wait to be asked and make teachers beg ....
We have to pull together
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 14:13 — TrailerParkGirlNow that's the spirit! So can we stop with the all affluent people or people in Western Wake or people by Weston suck stuff?
Some parents at our school, myself included, offered to do exactly what your teacher is asking for over a month before school started without being asked, but thanks for posting the suggestion.
BTW - do you know that with the $500 they spent on Sutton's welcome reception, WCPSS could have purchased 65,000 sheets of paper or 1,756 for every kid in your kid's class?
It is time for a BOE that believes they are there TO SERVE, not BE SERVED.
TPG, please don't feed
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:42 — AngelaWTPG,
please don't feed the troll.......PLEASE...probably some paid blogger/WEP chair/WCPSS employee of some sort who ONLY Posts to stir the pot....really
“Now that's the spirit!
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 15:27 — user12345“Now that's the spirit! So can we stop with the all affluent people or people in Western Wake or people by Weston suck stuff? “
Chips because I do remember
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 19:12 — TrailerParkGirlmy roots and all the places I lived and people I've met at every level of the SES spectrum.
So the chips are:
1) negative stereotypes of and assumptions about the ED and the related bigotry of low expectations (i.e. they won't take the SAT anyway, their parents won't be involved anyway, they can't have healthy schools, PTAs, etc.)
2) stereotypes of and assumptions about the NED (i.e. they're all racist, they're all white, etc.)
3) defeatism
What I am trying to get you to understand is that labeling and stereotyping people and parts of the area is not only not constructive, but often inaccurate.
Why do you say I forgot my roots? Because I don't make assumptions about people who are not poor (or poor for that matter)? Are poor people supposed to be prejudice against people who are not poor? Sorry I missed that memo. Like I've said, my roots (which I just visited, so a little hard to forget where you've just been) are in a place where people from different backgrounds have open minds about each other, believe things can be done and work together.
BTW - as to the "now rich" comment. How is "rich" defined in the stereotype game here - by standard definitions I don't qualify, but it seems lots of people who do not qualify as rich under standard definations get labeled that way in your posts. There's a whole lot of room and people between poverty and rich that you seem to ignore. It's called middle class.
If know you knew about Garner, so why did you just call out Weston? Because balanced information doesn't suit your purpose?
Actually, I have been talking to people outside my area and they agree, and no, those people are not all rich or white.
FYI - Weston area
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 16:22 — trianglenativeDid you know that the elementary school nearest to the Weston subdivision (3 minutes away) has an F&R ratio of 40% or more and only a 67% passing rate on the EOG? Why do you constantly pick on the Weston subdivision rather than any other? I don't live in Weston, BTW.
"Why do you constantly pick
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 18:59 — user12345"Why do you constantly pick on the Weston subdivision rather than any other?"
Weston - the area not the subdivision ... the conversation stems from the last WCSA get together in the Weston area and how that was not convenient to some voters and smacked as elitist. The comments were that there are other less affluent areas that would benefit from meeting the candidates if they really want to help ALL students. That comment is typically followed by we visited Garner once last year isn't that enough.
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wsca-sponsoring-school-board-candidate-meeting
"Did you know that the elementary school nearest to the Weston subdivision (3 minutes away) has an F&R ratio of 40% or more and only a 67% passing rate on the EOG? "
Yep but most don't attend it ..
http://wwwgis2.wcpss.net/prod/mapscript/WCMapscript.php?MainOption=FindNodes&NodeType=BASE&MagProg=&SchoolInfo=542+Reedy+Creek+Elementary&ProgramTitle=Base+Attendance+Area&MagName=&CalendarYear=2009-2010
Isn't amazing how many poor people live in this upper section of Cary? Here is an example where a simple 3-5 mile attendance radius around the school would be both neighborhood and diverse.
Parents in this area have
Fri, 08/28/2009 - 09:41 — trianglenativeParents in this area have been crying out for help for this school -- the school went from 600 students to 800 students -- over the summer of 2008, due mainly to the opt-out into Reedy Creek Elementary that was offered to schools that didn't meet the EOG standards (which Reedy Creek has not met itself in reading last year and in math this year but parents are not given the opt-out option because it's not in failing in the same subject two years in a row -- excuse me?).
So yes, some parents in the area -- not just Weston parents -- have chosen other options -- year-round or magnent (if they are a minority because you cannot get out or RCE otherwise), struggle to pay for private, or home school. These options are inconvenient for families, but they make that sacrifice because the bottom line is the education of their children, and if parents see the curriculum level is not where it should be for their child (classes can't be formed based on one's academic level, unfortunately), then they have to make the right decision for their child's education. It is not because Weston parents don't send their children there. They have. The WCPSS has not responded to the parents' concerns about the increase in population there, the increase in misbehavior, and the decrease in EOG scores. The school has ALWAYS had a high F&R percentage, so no one is saying this is the problem -- but the population increase is. It should not have been an opt-out choice for other schools to go to when it was struggling itself.
We had six community
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 21:48 — SDR256We had six community meetings. One of them happened to be in Cary. So what?
Per the link you posted
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 20:38 — TrailerParkGirlthe meeting was only to meet the candidates for District 7 and District 9.
Factoring in the airport and Umstead Park, Weston is probably as close a public meeting space location to be found that is convenient for both District 9 and District 7. Only voters within a district can vote for the candidate for that district. Would it be preferrable that the voters, including the less affluent, in districts drive to an area outside their districts to meet the candidates for their district?
Okay, look, I have always
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 12:23 — rr77rr99Okay, look, I have always suppored my children's teachers. I send in money and supplies and volunteer when needed.
But you know what, the teachers need to stand up and start opening their mouths. They will not do it. They will just take it from their admin. When are they going to start pounding their fists and say, we wer not going to take it anymore? It's pathetic we have to send home notes (by the way, that used up paper and ink) to send home to parents. It's pathetic they have over stuffed classrooms ans still have to put up with the major disruptive and discipline problems in the class. It's insane they are made to do PLC's and told they can't be sick that day and also, they have to pay for their own children to be cared for on those days.
This is exactly what Del and Co want from the teachers and the parents. He wants the parents to feel sorry as the teachers cry the blues. This way, he has more money to spend on super fine ideas like "wacky Wednesdays" and more MYR schools.
I so respect my children's teachers, but I am getting a little sick and tired of hearing they are fed up, yet, they are the ones that allow themselves to be walked on.
So.. it's getting a little old at this point.
Status quo BoE knew they had
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 09:20 — changewcpssStatus quo BoE knew they had no justification for the waste and havoc they created. Their positions have continually bought silence when oversight was necessary. Their positions afforded them crazy exemption from media scrutiny.
No more. Parents and school staff members have now woken up and have become engaged and enraged. (Plaguerized but true)
Ms. Backhouse is completely accurate. Mr. Fitzsimmon & Co. are buried in spin and inaccurate claims. Time to change WCPSS for the better.
Ridiculous
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 22:09 — ExplorisMSParentFitzsimon's article is full of pompous and arrogant assertions that are obviously far removed from the reality of what we deal with as WCPSS parents.
He brings up the Gerald Grant book (Hope and Despair in the American City - Why There are No Bad Schools in Raleigh), which I have just started reading. Should be interesting to learn what the good author has to say and what led him to such an amazing conclusion.
Well, for starters, his son
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 06:29 — CaryCurmudgeonWell, for starters, his son has a nice job courtesy of WCPSS. And his grandkids go to magnet schools. Of course there are no bad schools in Raleigh -- for him.
Figures.
Thu, 08/27/2009 - 12:16 — rr77rr99Figures.
Executive Director vs a Mom - typical.
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 19:59 — SDR256How much is Mr. Fitzsimmons paid for his opinions? I can wager that Ms. Backhouse had to PAY - with time away from her kids - to write, edit, craft, rewrite, craft, stress over, submit, her opinion. She did a PHENOMENAL job. Thank you to her and the family that loaned her to this 'project'.
Mr. Fizsimmons claims that what WCPSS needs "are more parents working to address the real problems and spending less energy distorting the facts "Funny, that's what WSCA represents. Its just that, with an upclose look, intimate relationship WE as parents have with schools, not from an armchair 'executive director' position - we're just not coming up with what he'd like to dream is the solution. We can TELL you, Mr. Fitzsimons what its like day to day. And WCPSS, with their random capricious changes (MYR, Early release WEd, frequent reassignments) CLEARLY do not have the same view of the world of the child and the family. It is all theory. And its dead wrong.
From the Fitzsimons article....
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 19:19 — SideburnsAfter reading the Op-ed piece again, there was no such assertion. It is the student test scores that are addressed in the Op-ed -- not the school scores. Once again, status-quo'ers are glossing over the details hoping we're not paying attention.
And, what do SAT scores have to do with EOG & EOC results? Is that the best he could come up with?
Mr. Fitzsimon, give the opposing opinion some respect
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 17:14 — trianglenativeI'm not sure how someone can possibly use the word "alleged" as in Fitzsimons' use of "alleged horrors of school reassignment". Has he not been paying attention to the many stories of people and families detrimentally affected by school reassignment? Now, perhaps, Mr. Fitzsimons, you have another viewpoint, but please don't turn a blind eye toward those of us who have experienced problems and lifestyle changes due to reassignment ("horrors" might be a bit of an overly dramatic description but I think Mr. Fitzsimons is being a bit sarcastic in his word choice -- though on second thought I'm sure some reassignment effects could be categorized as 'horrors'.) I do know that when my family experienced reassignment (once in elementary school, and twice in high school), it had a tremendous negative impact on my family, my children, their educations, their friendships, our commuting distance, and our dedication to the school system.
And if Mr. Fitzsimons wants to compare 'as the crow flies' transportation to actual on-the-road bus transportation, I hope next time he remembers to allow time for traffic which the crow can easily fly over. I'd welcome him to come and take the morning drive to the high school from which my child recently graduated, which is on the way to RTP. A traffic nightmare.
The assignment policy (opt out from year-rounds, etc.) has also had a negative impact on my youngest child's school, as its EOG scores are some of the lowest in Western Wake County. Average and above average children are falling through the cracks, and families are leaving. Is this a goal of Wake County Schools?
The SAT scores might be higher, but another recent newspaper article pointed out that fewer students are now taking the SAT because of the economy and the need to go to something other than a four year traditional college. So that group of students that might have historically received lower scores (those not interested in four year college or those from economic hardships) are now no longer even taking the SAT, which would probably raise those overall SAT scores. My children have had good and bad teachers in Wake County schools (mostly good! most of them are not the problem), but SAT scores reflect much more than the quality of a school or a school system: they reflect the work done by SAT tutors, who are becoming more common than ever as competition for college acceptance increases; the work done in SAT preparatory courses that most students take these days; and the work of parents and the background from which the students come.
Citing research certainly can prove some points sometimes; but, most of us upset with the current situation in our Wake County schools are basing our opinions on actual experience, unfortunately. You see, research doesn't mean a whole lot when you have to pull your child out of public school because the curriculum is way behind what your older children had at the same age. Research doesn't mean a whole lot when your child starts high school one year and though in a higher grade, has to start high school again at another school and get acclimated to that school. Research doesn't mean a whole lot when we have many case studies right here among ourselves, our friends, and our neighbors.
Please, Mr. Fitzsimons, respect all of us and know that it is not 'alleged' horrors of reassignment.
And please don't assume that those of us who want a change in our schools also want to "send the schools and community back fifty years". Give us more credit than that. We believe some new policies can work for all groups of people, not just for a few.
Lastly, how can you call any of Ms. Backhouse's statements 'ridiculous" when you use blanket statements like " . . . and families in Wake County agree that the policy helps all the students and the community." ALL families? I don't think so.
Talk about leaving out facts
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 14:24 — TrailerParkGirlMr. Fitzsimon fails to mention that:
Per the WCPSS Transportion department average distance traveled by students is 16.5 miles (one-way); the SES and ethnic/race gaps on standard measures (SAT scores etc.) and the SES and ethnic/race differences between CMS and WCPSS; that Raleigh is one of the highest educated cities in the COUNTRY in the >25 age group (i.e. the group that has children in WCPSS); that Wake is one of most affluent counties (lower ED percentage) in NC; that Mr. Grant's son works for WCPSS and his grandchildren attend magnet schools where the selection process penalizes students living in diverse areas of Wake County; the demographic differences between Syracuse, NY and Raleigh or Wake County; that there are in fact failing WCPSS schools under NCLB; that WCPSS has been in Title I improvement status because on the district level ED, LEP and/or SWD students have not made adequate progress in all areas...just to name a few.
typical rhetoric with
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 14:20 — AngelaWtypical rhetoric with NOTHING to back it up.....are they clones? Mr. Fitzsimon and his ilk? Do they all think with one brain? I see NO variations, no differences, no NEW ideas, just satisfaction with mediocrity and shuffling.....unless one has lived the WCPSS experience for more than a year, there is not real comprehension of what goes on and how badly children and families are affected.
this "Fitzsimons contends that "the people in Wake County are proud of their school system and don’t want to see it dismantled and returned to separate and unequal." " SHOULD READ "the people IN WCPSS'ADMINISTRATION are proud of their school system and don't want to see it dismantled and their fabricated awards stopped".
holy moly
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 13:54 — loriacFirst - he doesn't even bother to get the same right ('Wake Community School Alliance') - 'holy free market with vouchers and tax credits'? Huh? Well-funded groups? THat would be nice!
As JanisTango says, his article is full of false assumptions and is not even worth darkening the pixels on my screen.
Kudos to Ms. Backhouse for a well-written article. None to Mr. Fitzsimons. We'll just keep calling our neighbors and friends - it's not hard to find people who have been affected by WCPSS , and not for the better.
More of the same
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 13:47 — CaryCurmudgeonStill the same worn out and tired arguments. References to far-flung studies in the absence of ANY data to support the effectiveness of our own policies.
Intentional falsehoods about groups wanting to "dismantle the public schools" or "free vouchers or tax credits."
Still regurgitating the wcpss/wep (what's the difference) linear data.
And again with the Char/Meck comparison. Mr. Fiztsimmon and his fellow defenders of the status-quo continue to accuse change agents of wanting to recreate that environment here. But we are not the ones who keep bringing up Char/Meck. As long as he did, however, I will mention that they do a better job with ED and minority students than wcpss does.
When 54% of ED students graduate and the achievement gap continues to grow, I guess spin is all you have left to defend failed school policies.
Blah Blah Blah
Wed, 08/26/2009 - 13:30 — JanisTangoWell obviously Mr. Fitzsimon likes to distort facts. I guess because he's never talked to anyone in the WSCA he has made some assumptions that are totally false. It doesn't surprise me. Isn't that what happens during elections. So much false information. This is just one more example of someone that has no clue what the WSCA is about. The good news is all the parents I have talked to about the upcoming election do get it. I guess it's because they actually have kids in WCPSS. BTW...does Mr. Fitzsimons have kids in WCPSS?