The need for more money for Wake schools was a big issue at Tuesday's forum but reassignment and neighborhood schools also were discussed.
As noted in today's article, former school board Tom Oxholm took a strong stance against those critics who are calling for a system of neighborhood schools in Wake. Oxholm was a panelist on the discussion on whether Wake has achieved academic excellence.
Oxholm said that if you want to see the effects of neighborhood schools you can look at what the area was like before the 1976 merger when the downtown Raleigh schools were poor and underenrolled.
Oxholm said you can also look for examples of neighborhood schools at other large urban districts such as Los Angeles, New York City, Chicago and Philadephia. Despite great teacher pay, he said those districts have experienced white flight.
He said he also wants to avoid the examples of Greensboro and Charlotte.
While Oxholm said that "proponents of a resegregation type effect" have a few successes, there are "lots of looming disasters."
Oxholm said repeating the mistakes of the past is not a great idea.
“If you go down that way, the cleanup will be unbelievable," Oxholm said of neighborhood schools.
Oxholm also complained about the recent newspaper articles comparing the different approaches that Wake and Charlotte-Mecklenburg have taken toward dealing with diversity.
He blamed the articles for confusing the public about the purpose of Wake's diversity policy. He said the policy is not about trying to make sure every child scores his best on standardized tests but is designed to keep all schools healthy.

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Has WakeUp Wake County Fallen Asleep?
Sun, 05/17/2009 - 07:58 — AngelaWhttp://venitapeyton.com/2009/05/has-wakeup-wake-county-fallen-asleep.html
All of the local news media failed to question the timing of the forum, who the sponsors were and the intent.
On the WakeUp website it indicates that a forum leader was the Wake NC Association of Educators. Most of us know that the Wake County NCAE is largely an office-only group. The real decisionmakers for some of the teachers is the North Carolina Association of Educators. Perhaps the real reason why an African American union leader was included on the panel.
The reason for including the Concerned Citizens for African American Children was also to suggest, at least visually, support from the black community. Why not a longer termed group, such as the Raleigh-Apex, South Central or Wendell-Wake National Association of Colored People? Or the Raleigh Wake Citizens Association?
Maybe because these latter groups have failed to keep abreast of Wake County educational issues. And will not be as easily mollified as the CCAAC, led by a school teacher who wants to keep her job.
The media also chose not to question other sponsors, such as Raleigh City Council members, Nancy McFarlane, Russ Stephenson and Rodger Koopman. All three have been largely quiet with regards to neighborhood schools or any education issues. Thomas Crowder, while not listed as a sponsor, was largely supported by this crowd, as was Mayor Charles Meeker.
Why didn't the media ask who, or which ‘John Wilson’ was a sponsor? Could this be former North Carolina resident John Wilson, executive director of the National Education Association?
Another supporter was BiggerPicture4Wake, another largely unknown group. Their mostly under construction website, largely supports the Wake County Public School System's diversity plan and the Leesville Middle School year round conversion. Another reason why, if a real discussion was desired, should have included the most vocal group, the Wake Schools Community Alliance.
Was the public advised that Barbara and Jim Goodmon, owners of WRAL were sponsors? Or Smedes York and former school board member, Susan Parry?
(read entire article at the above link)
test idea
Sat, 05/16/2009 - 20:44 — klanders65I have an idea. Lets make Ligon and Enloe neighborhood schools for a test case. Leave all the resources there-all the teachers, all the advanced classes, all the electives, etc. Don't move the resources out with the NED kids.
Do you think that would fly? If not, why not?
If not, why not?
Sat, 05/16/2009 - 20:53 — g88ky07Why just these? I say NOT! Let's make them ALL neighborhood schools for 10 years, study it after that and then go from there. Isn't that what past & present BOE would do? Again, why "some" get a shot at being close to home and most others don't is something that is beyond me with this wcpss! The "haves" and the "have nots." THAT gets REALLY old!
those "lucky" enough to
Sat, 05/16/2009 - 20:51 — AngelaWthose "lucky" enough to have gained entry via WCPSS' "lottery" system would pitch a fit, if you mean to leave them out.....thus once again proving WCPSS UNequal educational sytem.....
it's one of the worst kept secrets of WCPSS that magnets (mostly) and a few other schools have many more resources than other schools, hence the moving and jockeying for "certain" addresses, i.e. nodes...again proving the point of UNequal schools.
why then would a more "equal" community school proposal be such a "bad" thing?
secret
Sat, 05/16/2009 - 22:50 — klanders65I didn't realize it was a secret. Someone should do a side-by-side comparison of what is available at Enloe and Ligon vs some other schools in Wake. They offer so much more. And Ligon has way more 8th grade algebra classes than say, Zebulon middle. If we left all those algebra teachers there and made it a neighborhood school people would throw fits. They wouldn't mind as long as the resources could be moved out. Enloe compared to the high school my kids go to ... no comparison. I'd love to see a side by side comparison of courses and electives.
Ligon and Enloe have more
Sun, 05/17/2009 - 06:56 — shank56Ligon and Enloe have more resources by virtue of their magnet status. Anyone can look online to compare the course offerings--it's sign up time in the middle and high schools. http://enloehs.wcpss.net/departments/studentservices/reginfo/
http://ligon.wcpss.net/
PS: Here's the "secret"- those parents not in the loop never take the time to look, (in person or online) , study or research to see what the WCPSS has to offer. Probably too busy watching Jerry Springer.
neighborhood/magnet
Sun, 05/17/2009 - 12:41 — klanders65What is being advocated? Are you advocating to have neighborhood schools, and keep the magnets? And let the magnets continue to have more resources? I see that a different way to ask "where do we put the F&R kids" is "where do we put the resources?" Where resources are the challenging courses, quality electives, and qualified teachers. All the kids benefit the same when they get those resources. I think focusing on the F&R kids is a way to trick us into not thinking about where the resources are going. We need to keep our eyes on those resources. Within a school, those resources are not equitably distributed. F&R kids don't get access to them within the magnet schools.
Healthy schools
Sat, 05/16/2009 - 14:48 — klanders65You might have to consider something that is outside the box you are used to thinking in. Consider this. What if healthy means the best teachers who are qualified to teach the most rigorous versions of courses. We have two tiered subjects in the core courses. We have advanced math and advanced language arts. It isn't that not all kids can learn the rigorous versions of these subjects. It is that you have to have top quality teachers to teach the rigorous versions. This may be outside the box of how you think. You may have thought that only some kids can actually really learn these subjects. Consider what if that is not true. What if we simply don't have enough teachers who can teach them, so we pretend that not all kids can learn these subjects. If we need the best teachers who can teach these subjects, then a healthy school is a school that offers the most rigorous versions of the core courses and has qualified teachers (whether certified or not.)What if a healthy school offers a variety of electives that enrich the educational experience of the students and prepare them to be competitive later. Like foreign languages, and orchestra, and programming, etc.We could make all schools equally healthy be spreading around those resources. Then everyone could go to their neighborhood school.But we can't do that. The reason why is because the powerful and most wealthy parents will demand that the resources that make a school healthy be put in their school. We have to spread the wealthy parents around if we want to spread the resources around. Research studies have shown (there is one buried on Wake Co. E&R website) that when more than 40% of the kids in a school are F&R, then there isn't a big enough powerful parent group to demand resources for the school. Low income people don't have enough power to demand and get the resources.If you really want neighborhood schools and you want the schools to be healthy, then you have to demand the resources be distributed to all the schools. Start by demanding that they follow their own math tracking criteria and let all students who qualify for the top math track be in the top math track. That will cause a demand for spreading those math teachers around.This is the only way you are going to have healthy neighborhood schools without managing the income levels of the schools.But to demand the resources be allocated to make all schools equally healthy, you have to start to understand how unequal those resources are going to be distributed otherwise and how to tell how they are distributed.
You could start by making the district report whether equally scoring students have the same access to the top math and language arts track in each school, and what are the quality of the teachers they have. You can measure teacher quality with EVAAS. You can't measure it with Wake's Effectiveness Index because it adjusts the results by income levels to make teachers look effective when poor kids do worse than wealthy kids.
"We have to spread the
Sun, 05/17/2009 - 13:37 — user1234"We have to spread the wealthy parents around if we want to spread the resources around."
Interesting way to look at it that it is not about spreading the poor kids but it is about spreading the wealthy parents who drive change.
Food for thought
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 21:27 — SDR256Please consider what Geoffrey Canada has done in Harlem with the Harlem Children's Zone. President Obama wants to create 20 of these schools around the country. Why aren't we clamoring for one? Oh, well there is that uncomfortable detail that Mr. Canada unabashedly is promoting 'rebuilding communities around children where everything is about education'. Also, the title of the NYT article about him is "It takes a 'hood". He advocates the characteristics of community, family connections and stable social networks. It is these characteristics that we would like to see our BoE find a way to infuse into our school system.
What can we learn from this brave and SUCCESSFUL hero?
This is an older interview (there are many if you're interested) but it gives a good overview of the program:
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/1384
www.hcz.org
"Healthy School" is mostly
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:26 — momiam"Healthy School" is mostly about keeping title 1 funds. It is NOT about helping the students. Nodes are scrutinized and students are bused out of low performing schools to the extent that the school can receive title 1 funds- but not lose the funds because it is performing too low. The students that are bused out lose the title 1 support that the school close to their home receives. They sit on a bus for periods of time that could be spent more productively to be shipped to a school where they perform just as badly (as shown by the reports). Then they aren't able to participate in extracurriculr after school activities or sports since they live so far away and need to be on the bus and they don't socialize with the children at the school. The children that live near the school go home and hang out together. Then they say they are doing it for "diversity" so that the parents will agree to all this craziness and maybe they won't notice that their children are doing just as poorly in the new location. Hey- their school is not failing after all. There is a significant amount of federal money here and the purpose is to use the money so that the students who need the help can get it (I'd think without all the time consuming travel that prevents school participation). It's not intended to be a shell game.
for you heartless KOOL-AID DRINKING misanthropes
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 12:44 — AngelaWTHIS IS WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS MEAN;
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/05/13/from_heavy_hearts_a_song_soars/?s_campaign=yahoo
the boy had attended Warren-Prescott since first grade, and many of the 437 students knew him well.
The school - a low, brick complex sandwiched into a dense neighborhood a few blocks from the Bunker Hill Monument - offered kindergarten through sixth grade until three years ago, when it added grades seven and eight. "We get to know the kids and want to keep them," said Amara. Pots of pansies sit by the front door; students in all grades wear uniforms, matching navy-blue polo shirts. The school motto is "Persist and Prevail."
I have to chuckle
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 10:24 — Chris_HYou talk about trying to confuse the public. Every time they try to say that by using a year round calendar brings our kids into some sort of modern age. The number of days being taught stays the same... no difference. Also someone tried to say it is an improvement educationally - no studies indicate that and my personal experience has not shown that.
From the Climate for Student Sucess meeting
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 09:49 — choice4allhttp://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/34106/education-forum-under-way "When you get to the school house door, you get to the classroom, you are still going to be the recipient of standard course of study based on data that teachers have used in their Professional Learning Communities, you're going to be exposed to best teaching practice regardless," said School Board member Eleanor Goettee." So if thats the case Ms Gottee then why are you shuffling these kids all around the County??? Not only are you wasting taxpayer $$$ in transportation, you are wasting services that DO NOT get to that child you claim to serve. How much of your Billion$$$ budget goes to this chess game. And how much actually gets to the children after you have wasted soooo much money on usless practices Hmmm???
"resegregation"?
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 09:10 — Bob_SconceThat drives me nuts. Nobody in the debate wants to return to the 1950's, but that's the talking point from the proponents of the current board.
My small cul-de-sac is home to families of several different races, nationalities and religions. At least one of those families is receiving reduced price lunches. Nobody is proposing that these students should assigned based on those characteristics.
The central issue with the current board really isn't this misguided diversity policy. Instead, the issue is that the board has allowed administrative convenience and PC educational thought to trump common sense and the needs of families.
1976 - Let's Think About That
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 09:12 — JanisTangoIt amazes me that they want to keep complaining about what was going on in 1976. I do know race relations has come along way since 1976. We would have NEVER elected a African American as President in 1976. Is there still problems, of course, but it's still not 1976. Considering I was a freshman in HS in 1976 I can tell you some of my recollection and where we are missing the boat. In the late 50's, 60's and even early 70's chances are you if you went to college you would hopefully get a job and keep that job for 30-40 years and retire with a pension. If you didn't go to college you would go get a manufacturing job and make a good living and retire as well. Let's look at 2009. If you are lucky enough to go to college you will get a job, but depending on your profession you will probably have 5+ jobs in your lifetime. You will also hope that your job doesn't get shipped oversea to a lower cost country. If you don't go to college you can get a job in manufacturing...oh wait manufacturing is not something you can count on any longer. Oh well...you can get a job in another field and retire with a pension....oh wait...companies are cutting pensions, etc. They are also shipping a lot of blue and white collar jobs overseas. WCPSS and this nation needs to wake up and try to figure out how to move this country forward instead of looking at policies and problems of the past. What are going to be the jobs of the future and how do we prepare our children with the skills to have one of the jobs. I was really encouraged when I saw that all the kids in the KIPP program in Gaston are going to college. We need to be investing more money in programs such as that. We need to look at the kids as individuals and not a collective group. Each child is different and to say you are F&R you are not smart is the message I hear constantly. Isn't that what they are saying when they say 'Healthy schools'. That is ridiculous. Intelligence or the potential for learning doesn't have anything to do with race or economic level.
Just let this guy keep
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 08:53 — shearertwJust let this guy keep talking. He's making all of our points for us.
Don't compare WCPSS to CMS, compare it to NYC, LA and Philly, that way we look really good....
Forget about the kids, just make the schools look good...
Let's pretend its 1976.....
Keep it up Tom, you're opening everyones eyes.
It would help to get an
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 10:25 — user1234It would help to get an example of a neighborhoods system that people agree is comparable to Wake. If that example has re-segregated than we should expect see the same results. I don't know why anyone would think that concentrating all the "bad" schools in certain areas would not cause some kind of flight.
Fairfax County, VA
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 12:44 — Eric_BHow about Fairfax County, VA schools compared to Wake?
The demographics are similar. Fairfax County has about 153,000 students, 58% white, 42% minority population with 20% receiving F&R lunch. Fairfax County has neighborhood schools. Check out their assignment maps here:
http://commweb.fcps.edu/directory/cluster.cfm
They have a program called Project Excel for the 20 schools that have high concentrations of poverty. There is not a single school in Fairfax County designated as failing under NCLB.
I already know what you are going to say about funding differences, but first you must prove that busing for diversity is a cheaper way to raise student achievement rather than just speading low income students around. The Kansas City, MO experiment shows how higher funding does not always equate to higher academic achievement.
How Long Has It Been Since Fairfax Converted?
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 14:23 — chaboard(I thought I had the info but I can't find it).
The Kansas City, MO experiment
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:19 — Falcshowed that it is not just how much, but how and on what the money is spent.
Here's a write-up on Kansas City (underwater viewing room, seriously?):
Scholars have studied the relationship between per-student spending and achievement test scores. The finding of over 30 years of their research is clear: Pouring more money into the current system does not equal better education. There are schools, states, and countries that spend a great deal of money per pupil with poor results, while others spend much less and get much better results.
The Kansas City (Mo.) school district provides the perfect illustration of this phenomenon. In 1985, a federal judge directed the district to devise a "money-is-no-object" educational plan to improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation. The result: Kansas City ended up spending annually more money per pupil, on a cost-of-living adjusted basis, than any of the 280 largest school districts in the United States. The money bought 15 new schools, an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a robotics lab, field trips to Mexico and Senegal, and higher teacher salaries. The student-to-teacher ratio was the lowest of any major school district in the nation at 13-to-1. By the time the experiment ended in 1997, costs had mounted to nearly $2 billion.
Yet, test scores did not rise. And there was even less student integration than before the spending spree, not more. In May 2000, the Missouri Board of Education officially removed accreditation status from the district for failing to meet any of 11 performance standards.
Updated demographics
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:07 — Eric_BI didn't have the latest demographics for Fairfax County listed above. The latest stats are here:
http://www.fcps.edu/statis.htm
169,000 students
48% white
11% black
18% Asian
17% Hispanic
...
20% F&R
Fairfax is good as long as we know they invest much more
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:04 — user1234Question
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:29 — Eric_BWhy does Wake get so little federal funding compared to all of these other school districts? I mean we get $497 compared to $723 for Fairfax County. What's up with that?
Is WCPSS and/or the school board not going after federal funding like other districts are? Does it have anything to do with the socioeconomic diversity policy (i.e., fewer Title I schools)?
Now that is a question we
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:58 — user1234Now that is a question we can all agree on ... also that the federal government contribute so little and requires so much in paperwork and reporting for it is another concern ...
IIRC, the last time you
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:09 — SouthEastWakeMomIIRC, the last time you posted this same exact data someone here familiar with the Virginia school funding formula pointed out that the local dollars go to the state and then are reallocated across the state using some sort of funding formula. That is, the $9765 paid by Fairfax County residents does not all go to Fairfax county schools.
I think you are confusing
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:55 — user1234I think you are confusing taxes with expenditures.
I assume Fairfax's taxes go to the state which uses a formula to allocate the state portion like we do in NC.
Fairfax than addes a local "kicker" like Wake does to supplement the meager state funding. (first column)
It does not matter if the funding is coming from local, state or federal sources ... the amount spent per student is much higher in Fairfax than Wake which gives them more options.
Fairfax facts (half way down the page)
http://www.fcps.edu/about/stats.htm
Fairfax vs. Arlington
http://acta.us/growls/2005/09/costperpupil_arlington_vs_fair.html
Fairfax vs. surronding school systems (see page 5)
http://www.21csf.org/csf-home/DocUploads/DataShop/DS_86.pdf
Hmmm....
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 11:39 — Bob_SconceThe problem is that no matter what district you choose, somebody will point out the differences between that district and WCPSS.
CMS is probably the most comparable, and this blog has done a number of rounds on that, especially after that Queens University study showing that CMS' approach seems to be doing about as well as WCPSS'. But, since CMS has a much higher percentage of F&R students, CMS isn't really comparable, either.....
That said, I think we can all agree that comparing Wake County Schools with those of New York City or Los Angeles is about as far from an apples-to-apples comparison as you can get. (NYC's student population, for example, is about 2/3ds the size of that of the entire STATE of NC.)
User, Please stop the
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 11:10 — shearertwUser,
Please stop the scare tactics. Its really getting old. We're looking for the stability offered by community based assignments (not neighborhood based). The vast majority of communities in Wake Co. have plenty of diversity (both based on economics and race). No one is looking to concentrate all the "bad" schools in certain areas. Sometimes you show sparks of intelligence and other times you simply rely on this tired old rhetoric.
Please define a "bad" school
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 11:06 — FalcPlease define what you mean by "bad" school.
It seems to me the issue in the past was that the low-income inner-city schools were "bad" because they lacked the proper resources. There was a resource allocation problem. To me there are two ways to address this, you can move the student to the resources or move the resources to the student. Wake County with diversity bussing + magnets has done both, which doesn't make sense. Either concentrate the resources and students who can most benefit together or disperse the students and resources, but don't disperse the students, but concentrate the resources because that means some low-income students still don't have access to the additional resources and just sitting next to a NED student is NOT a resource.
No one wants to go back to the '60s when low-income students were one place and the resources another. A lot of opinions have changed over the years, except for some that have that subtle, nasty little patronizing opinion that low-income and/or minority kids create "unhealthy" schools and cannot do better unless sitting next to a 'talented' student from the burbs. And they want to call me prejudice, undiverse, racist and segregationist -- spare me. If they want to find someone like that, they can just look in the mirror.
move students move resources
Sat, 05/16/2009 - 15:10 — klanders65Falc, you make it sound like it doesn't make any sense to move the resources AND move the NED kids into the inner city. Where ever those kids go, their resources go with them. In many magnet schools, the low income kids don't get to sit next to a NED student. They are in different classes. Ligon, for example, has a different curriculum and different classes for the neighborhood kids. We move both the resources AND the kids so that the same kids get the resources.
You are right on ... it is
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 12:53 — user1234You are right on ... it is a with the resource allocation issue ... that is the problems to solve ... actually, I think, people here need to decide collectively they want to solve it ... these kids and their problems are a long way from many on this blog and could easily be forgotten or swept under the rug ...
Since all schools are all suppose to be equivalent, all in similar standard buildings, all with state employees teaching from the same books which means there should be no reason for people to migrate node to node.
You can measure how “bad” a school is by how much people are willing to pay to get out of it and how much they are willing to pay to get into a “good” school. So, if school A and B are equivalent it would be irrational for people to migrate node to node trying to get into school A. If large numbers of people are acting irrationally than the assumptions of equivalence must be incorrect and there are real or perceived differences between the schools. There should not be so much disparity between schools that causes to spend thousands of dollars moving around.
Partially agree....
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 14:37 — Bob_SconceAt least on measuring how bad a school is -- you know how "Bad" a school is by whether people vote with their feet. That's *exactly* the idea behind school choice programs and charter school programs. One side benefit to such programs is what happens to bad schools: they have few, if any, students and eventually close.
As far as the "same teachers/same books" argument, I note (1) most districts choose their own books (consider the recent WCPSS switch away from Trailblazers), and (2) teachers are not interchangeable. In fact, I suggest that we do not want uniformity among teachers or curricula because students are not uniform.
"As far as the "same
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 15:24 — user1234"As far as the "same teachers/same books" argument, I note (1) most districts choose their own books"
Bob ... I was just referring to within Wake Co. who I assume all use the same books from school to school ... now if I find out the "good" schools get better books too that will piss me off more...
I think the curricula is standardized too since everything is geared to passing the standard tests.
I think the what is standard but not the how
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 22:49 — FalcThe competency goals, strategies and skills expectations are standard, but the teaching methods, programs and text used to reach the goals, stategies and skills can vary both between and within a school to some degree (at least at the lower grades).
As an example, here is a section out of the standard curriculum for first grade language arts:
"1.05 Increase vocabulary, concepts, and reading stamina by reading selfselected texts independently for 15 minutes daily. Self-selected texts should be consistent with the student's independent reading level."
The expected action is standard, but the texts available from which to self-select are not standardized.
Some schools use the writers workshop program to teach writing skills, some use other programs, etc.
Thanks for clarifying
Thu, 05/14/2009 - 07:32 — user1234Thanks for clarifying
Curriculum....
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 19:01 — Bob_SconceI'm not a fan of the standard course of study. In fact, I think it's one of the reasons that North Carolina lags the nation.
The Geometry SCOS is a geat example: Geometry is the first place where students really meet the techniques of doing proofs, which is a fundamental skill needed in the rest of the advanced math courses. So, proofs should be the dominant, if not exclusive, focus of Geometry. But, the State has watered it down with idiotic things like finding arc length and doing cartesian transformations.
I think the curricula is
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 15:41 — SouthEastWakeMomI think the curricula is standardized too since everything is geared to passing the standard tests.
Ummm, no, it's not. In fact it can vary between classrooms within the same grade within the same school. It depends on whether the teacher teaches to the middle or ability groups. This is one of my biggest issues with WCPSS.
Still sounds standard to me
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 17:43 — user1234Still sounds standard to me ... with teacher variation depending on class ability .... it is not like the English teacher is going to spend the entire year on grammer because he likes grammer ... my wife lists on the board each day the section of the standard state cirricula she is covering (NC Standard Course of Study??)... I assume all the other teachers in the county and state are doing the same ...
Nope
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 13:18 — Dadof3What what kind of wet noodle would you measure that with? There are too many uncontrolled variables for this statement to have any traction.
However, I'd love to see public ed subject to the same motivational competitive forces the rest of us live under. The only losers there are those with fat 'n cushy jobs.
"What what kind of wet
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 14:14 — user1234"What what kind of wet noodle would you measure that with?"
Surely there is a street where kids on one side go to School A and across the street go to School B and you can measure the difference in $/sf. Like Dane Cope? who was willing to sell his house to stay with Lacy. How much do houses vary $/sf from Lacy to Stough which are not far apart?
Surely not
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 15:09 — Dadof3Just as surely as there are pensive and gentle maidens who can catch the elusive unicorn.
Good luck with that.
So Oxholm has his eyes
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 08:01 — Big_PictureSo Oxholm has his eyes closed again? Nothing new. The cleanup now is going to be unbelievable. But the direction WSCA is taking is unbelievably perfect. Sorry I had to miss his meaningless dribble.
I would give Ann
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 07:49 — CaryCurmudgeonI would give Ann Dennlinger's speech the "Gong" award for being the most out of touch with reality. The first part of her presentation talked about how Wake County has one of the "Best schools systems in the country." Our test scores are average in a state which ranks 35th in the nation. I recognize that her job is PR for the schools, but this is a stretch of epic proportions. She then went on to present her vague vision of what our "world class" schools should look like 25 years from now. She showed a chart listing all of the organizations involved in forming this vision -- lots of good companies and educational bureaucracies, but no Parents.
Tom Holzcom's speech was a disgrace. Our school system is facing major budgetary challenges. We are laying off teachers. But he chose to use his bully pulpit to condemn those who support change.
Right out of Rosa's playbook, he said the problem is that parents don't understand what it is WCPSS is trying to do. He said school board policy "is not about trying to make sure every child scores his best on standardized tests but is designed to keep all schools healthy." So we parents are all to stupid to understand that WCPSS doesn't want our kids to do their best?
Most of last night's discussion was focused where it should have been: How do we manage the budget cuts.
Stan Norwalk voiced his support for an APFO which I think makes sense, but will never get done in this economic climate. All the rest of the talk was about which programs should be cut. Some of the things on the table are scary. No discussion of ending MYR or busing as part of the solution. In fact, someone in the audience asked why wcpss was forging ahead with Leesville MYR conversion and Beverly Clark would not provide a direct answer.
"Our test scores are
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 10:20 — user1234"Our test scores are average in a state which ranks 35th in the nation."
And the US is last in industrial nations ... so you kids are on par with Chad ...
Wake is funded and directed by the State. Teachers are State employees. If you don't like what is happening change the State ... that is where the funding comes from ....
Not afraid to use it
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 07:19 — Dadof3He has his "re-segragation" card and he's not afraid to use it. It's a powerful frame to his believers but a non sequitur to everyone else.
To bad his grotesquely simplified application of history to today is simply wrong. The reasons for the demographic movements in major cities has so much going into it, say, corrupt politics, crime, high taxes, congestion among other maladies. And yet, to lay it at the feet of education alone is sadly one dimensional.
I don't mind at all the F&R's at our school and, said without sensitivities to the infrastructural support, I would like more. Like any other child they each bring their own wonderful personalities to the mix and we might provide different opportunities that they may not get at their base school. Again, the problem remains the compulsory aspect. If the parents said; "I don't mind a long bus commute to get my kids to another school," I don't see a rub -- it's elective not compulsory.
To return parental choice would go a long way to restoring parental confidence in this system.
Old Ways and Ignorance Are Not The Answer
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 07:13 — designmanWell, it is not very difficult to understand why Oxholm is a former school board member and not someone who is relevant, aware, and interested in finding solutions. He supports failed, uninspired policies that do not address the challenges that Wake County faces in 2009.
Oxholm values statistically healthy schools over implementing student-focused community-based schools that directly address the challenges that many underachieving low-income students deal with and that are preventing them from succeeding on par with the rest of the student population. His willingness to sacrifice the success of low income students -- many of whom are minority students – is not a sound basis for good public policy.
When Oxholm calls family-friendly community-based school advocates “proponents of resegregation,” besides having an obvious lack of historical knowledge and perspective, it is clear his motives are more political than educational.
Image and money seems more
Wed, 05/13/2009 - 12:11 — DrActualFactualImage and money seems more the agenda to me--who will buy McNeal and Oxholms $70 hardcover book if the same system is shown to be "not a shining star" but rather an "O-ring" ready to combust.
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Wed, 05/13/2009 - 07:09 — designman.
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Wed, 05/13/2009 - 07:02 — SideburnsIn other words:
At least he was honest.