Wake County school board chairman Ron Margiotta laid down the law at Tuesday's commissioners meeting before the vote approving the Rolesville High School site.
As noted in today's article by Thomas Goldsmith, Margiotta came to the meeting to make a public pitch for purchasing the Rolesville site. He told commissioners that any thoughts of rejecting the site to try to force the school board to go back to the Forest Ridge High site would fail.
“Wake County Public Schools will not build H6 on the Forestville Road site,” Margiotta told commissioners.
Margiotta argued they needed the Rolesville site because they could be able to open it in time for the 2013-14 school year.
“I think we need to recognize that we need high school seats in this part of the county,” Margiotta said.
Moving forward, one question is how critics of the school board majority will handle Tuesday's vote. They could attempt to use it as a campaign issue in the 2011 school board elections.
But Commissioner Lindy Brown's decision to break ranks with her fellow Democrats to back the Rolesville site could make it hard to use as a campaign issue in this fall's county commissioners' races. Although critics can use the vote to try to attack the Republican incumbents, the impact could be lessened by Brown's vote.
“I do believe that the St. Lawrence site is the best one,” Brown said of the Rolesville site despite Stan Norwalk's efforts to rally the Democrats to reject the deal. “I will take you there and show you.”



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Bully
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 09:18 — HereWeGoWake County school board chairman Ron Margiotta laid down the law at Tuesday's commissioners meeting before the vote approving the Rolesville High School site.
Margiotta came to the meeting to make a public pitch for purchasing the Rolesville site. He told commissioners that any thoughts of rejecting the site to try to force the school board to go back to the Forest Ridge High site would fail.
“Wake County Public Schools will not build H6 on the Forestville Road site,” Margiotta told commissioners.
I hope the new school board supporter are proud of their bully.
What a bizarre point of
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 10:44 — woodstockWhat a bizarre point of view. Margiotta was just doing the job he was elected to do ...and doing it very well I might add!
Regarding the Rolesville site, Lindy Brown said it best, "I do believe that the St. Lawrence site is the best one," Brown said. "I will take you there and show you."
Clearly, Norwalk and Meeker were the "bullies" in this matter. They valued politics over common sense, citizen concerns and our children's safety.
Lindy Brown was comparing
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:33 — reasonablevoiceLindy Brown was comparing topographies of the parcels for that statement. She was concerned about the costs involved in preparing the rolling Forestville site vs the flatness of the Rolesville site. I guess we have to now look for building sites that are rural and before neighborhoods move in. Too bad we didn't get started 10 years ago.
If this parcel was brought to the table in the very beginning, years ago, would it have prevailed? Would it have been the preferred site? We'll never know. Will the bypass be finished before the kids hit the back roads to school every day? Anybody know?
Just the smart thing to do
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 14:40 — jeffrey1I guess we have to now look for building sites that are rural and before neighborhoods move in.
Prompts a thought -
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 18:55 — reasonablevoiceInteresting Jeffrey1 - and it prompts a thought. Let's go way back - weren't the individual townships responsible for their own schools a long long time ago? There was the Raleigh City School System - has there always been a county governing body over all the other schools here? I'm wondering if 60, 70 years ago each township built their own, and when they joined together. I know where I grew up, (in NC) the small rural towns had their own schools. When they all joined together, the small high schools around the county were turned into middles or elementaries, and another larger high was built to combine a wider area of students. Any Wake County historians out there?
Hmm..
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 09:39 — Bob_SconceFunny. I thought Norwalk was the bully in this, and Ron stood up to him nicely.
Old Board
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 09:52 — HereWeGoI thought the problem with the old board was the "our way" and we don't care what you think attitude. So, has this attitude changed with the new board?
Uh...
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 10:10 — Bob_SconceThe problem with the old board was "Our way and we don't care what parents think." No school board has ever particularly cared, nor should they, what the commissioners think about matters clearly in the domain of the schools, like where to place high schools.
Parents know what's best for
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 11:25 — xmarkspot62Parents know what's best for their children, but they do not -- nor should they -- influence decisions that affect all children. Unfortunately, those few parents who voted in this new BOE majority are the only parents Margiotta and his crew will listen to, and that's bad news for ALL Wake County students.
"Parents know what's best
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 20:02 — Apexter"Parents know what's best for their children, but they do not -- nor should they -- influence decisions that affect all children. Unfortunately, those few parents who voted in this new BOE majority are the only parents Margiotta and his crew will listen to, and that's bad news for ALL Wake County students."
Hmmmm. You may have something there. The parents who have benefitted greatly from having nearby magnet schools influenced the decision to deny "electives, or anything that appears to be electives" from all other schools in the county, even when magnet schools may be 20 miles or so away from their students. They also declared that forcing people in the outer edges of the county into year round assignments whether they wanted them or not (or if growth within the next two years warranted it or not.)
Where your theory falls apart is when you say that the new board majority was voted in by a few parents. It was voted in by the majority of all citizens --- parent or not --- who voted in the districts.
To be accurate on your last statement.
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 11:15 — ncellagatorIt was a majority of the citizens that voted in the 4 districts that held an election last year. Five districts did not elect a board member in the last election. That is far from a majority of ALL citizens.
A majority(5 out
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 20:35 — Duhhuh666A majority(5 out of 9 districts) in the last 2 elections voted for the new school board majority. In the last 2 elections only 2 members in the minority were on the ballot and 2 members in the minority have had ZERO, NIL, NOTTA votes from the public (they were appointed). So when you look at the facts about the last 2 elections that created the current board. A majority of citizens who voted, voted for the members in the majority. That is a majority.
My child vs your child
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:40 — reasonablevoiceX - there are those of us that get what you mean. When what is best for MY child in spite of YOUR child mentality prevails, the system as a whole suffers. I guess when Woodstock can't sell his house because he is on the wrong side of the line, we'll see him change his tune! Ask the folks in Charlotte - they are attempting to undo what they did to themselves 8 years ago.
"I guess when Woodstock
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 16:42 — zande"I guess when Woodstock can't sell his house because he is on the wrong side of the line, we'll see him change his tune!"
I sure hope for his sake he does not live near the "Promised land" or "Promise zone" or whatever was the euphemism for the new improved high poverty schools the new Board is ready to unleash on us. Watch those property values get seriously reshuffled in the next months and years.
Reshuffled property values
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 12:34 — reasonablevoiceZande - you hit a good point there about property values. My neighbor is from Charlotte, moved here two+ years ago in part to get away from the neighborhood schools there. The parents in the areas that had many schools but not enough children via proximity to fill them, in 250-500K older neighborhoods convenient to downtown, have a different perspective on Charlotte's choice model. Parents abandoned the neighborhood schools in an area they call the ring, which is where she lived (I take that to mean like our rim) joined together at a few select magnets, leaving the schools they could walk to at 80%+ F&R and underenrolled. She said when she left there were 15 schools in neighborhoods like hers like that. Can you imagine 80% F&R schools in neighborhoods bordering the beltline? Can you imagine trying to sell your 4 bedroom three bath two car garage house with a 80% F&R school across the street and no opportunity for a buyer to get into a magnet with lower F&R because they are full to the brim? (It took her two years and at 82% of list price, and this was before the real estate bust). So far she says she is hearing the exact same language and rhetoric here that she heard 10 years ago in Charlotte, and it makes her sick to her stomach. She is hoping the board will look at what happened in Charlotte and learn from it. And, this lady is as far from a racist or elitist, she recognizes the challenge of high poverty schools because she stayed in her neighborhood school for 6 years by choice, across the street from her house. She said that even with zones, there will be winners and losers within the zone. And, even in an affluent zone, one school will eventually be the"poor one" as compared to the others, regardless of housing values around it. She said it took only one year for the affluent polarization. Even Charlotte is back pedaling their decision now as reported in the Charlotte Observer, my neighbor still receives that paper, and she brings me articles to read. I am waiting to see what lessons this board will learn from other areas, or if they care. There are a lot of citizens asleep to the big picture issues, and how the ultimate decisions will affect them. You don't have to have a kid in school for this to affect you. It was after listening to her, and learning some facts about high poverty schools from my GSIW neighbor, that I starting sitting up and paying attention. So far, it seems to me the only folks that are asking "What is the big picture if we go to neighborhood schools" are the GSIW people and Wake Education Partnership people. I wish they would show how Charlotte ended up, and how the Charlotte board is rethinking their decision now. They certainly did not get the achievement they expected and they are paying more for what they did get. They are even closing 10 schools. Imagine. Every other organization that is backing this new board stops at "we won, now lets do it" without analyzing the ramifications for the county as a whole, as far as I can find. If somebody can direct me to information from any of these pro groups on how we won't end up with the same resulting issues as Charlotte and how, I'd love to see an alternate perspective. But I feel Charlotte is our window into the future and we should be looking.
Board of Realtors or Board of Education?
Fri, 07/09/2010 - 05:21 — Duhhuh666Is this a Real Estate issue or an education issue? It seems your concern is Real Estate not education.
Just note that Charlotte was
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 18:34 — jeffrey1Just note that Charlotte was busing by race., a practice that has been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
At least the priorities are
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 17:20 — red_balloonAt least the priorities are getting clearer.
I agree that we need to
Thu, 07/08/2010 - 13:44 — jenmanI agree that we need to learn from Charlotte. I'm a member of WSCA and our position has always been that it doesn't have to be Wake or Charlotte. There are other solutions out there and we need to find them. Personally, I'm reserving judgment for when the plan comes out. I can't criticize a plan that hasn't even been released in draft form yet. It's awfully hard and I have many of the same worries as other people do but we couldn't continue under the old system. I hope it includes all of things I think are needed and if it doesn't, I'll speak up. I expect the community engagement meetings to be quite lively with many people offering opinions and feedback. I believe in Tedesco and I know several of the assignment committee members & they are thoughtful, caring people who have every child's best interest in mind.
As for closing schools, in some cases I think it may be the right thing to do. If we don't have enough students in an area to fill the schools then maybe we need to look at repurposing the buildings or selling them. Just making them magnets or forcibly busing kids into them doesn't completely solve the problem and creates additional issues.
Why did the people in Charlotte leave the schools they could walk to? From your post it appears that they left before they reached that level of poverty. It is very similar to what has happened in comparable Raleigh neighborhoods/schools. To me it brings up larger, difficult questions that nobody seems to be willing to discuss. What is the tipping point and how far do we go to keep a school from getting to that point? What is the basis for people reaching the point at which they leave a school or think a school is bad? Is it when the school reaches a certain percentage of minority students? A certain poverty level? Do negative changes actually have to occur or do people flee because of what they 'think' might happen? At what point do we say that the people are being unreasonable (or bigoted) and that we refuse to cater to their bigotry? Are there different standards for different areas of town or the county? I think there have been so far, but what are they? Are some areas/neighborhoods more important so they need to be catered to and others are less important so they can bear the bulk of the 'negatives'?
You speak an alien language,
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 13:56 — woodstockYou speak an alien language, I have no idea what you are talking about. The schools are not the reason some kids are not learning and finding success. Name any school and you will find many, many successful students in them. However, you will also find many students -- who sit right next to the successful students -- who do poorly. Is it the school or the teachers or the coursework that is the problem? No, it isn't. It is the influence of outside issues. Until we acknowledge that and address it, nothing will change.
Your assessment is not
Wed, 07/07/2010 - 12:26 — woodstockYour assessment is not accurate ...at all.