So how does Wake compare to Charlotte-Mecklenburg academically?
As noted in today's article, it depends on how you look at the data on state exams. Wake folks cite some data showing a big edge over CMS while others look at results showing both districts aren't too far apart.
You guys can decide which one is more relevant.
Folks in Charlotte and critics in Wake point out that low-income students in both districts are performing at about the same rate on state exams.
If you look at the state report cards, the passing rate for low-income students on both the state reading and math end-of-grade exams for Wake is 31.3 percent. It's 31.1 percent in Charlotte.
Both districts are doing below the state average of 33.3 percent for low-income students.
Critics of Wake's diversity policy point out that CMS has largely shrunk the 10-percentage point gap that existed with Wake in 2001-02. That happens to coincide with Charlotte's switch to a largely neighborhood-based school system.
Even using the more generous measure of the percentage of low-income students passing either the math or reading EOG exams, Wake's lead isn't great there either. It's 45.9 percent in Wake and 44.6 percent in CMS.
“We haven’t yet learned how to reach our high-poverty kids,” said Molly Griffin, the chairwoman of the CMS school board, in today's article. “But neither has Wake.”
Wake, on the other hand, glides past that point to focus on the performance of schools. Folks, such as Asst. Supt. David Holdzkom in the article, point out that Wake has far fewer lower performing schools than Charlotte.
In Wake, 83 percent of the schools had a passing rate on state exams of more than 60 percent. On the flip side, 53 percent of Charlotte's schools had a passing rate of 60 percent or lower.
This argument ties into Wake's contention that the diversity policy is preventing schools from getting as unhealthy as some are in Charlotte.
School board member Eleanor Goettee argued that Wake has avoided the academic extremes that have plagued Charlotte.
For instance, Charlotte has more Schools of Excellence than Wake in the state's ABCs program. Charlotte also has way more high schools in Newsweek's annual list of top public high schools.
But you don't see Wake high schools being accused of committing "academic genocide" on black students like some in Charlotte.
Ann Denlinger, president of the Wake Education Partnership, said Wake's diversity policy helps economic development in Raleigh. In contrast, she said that allowing resegregation in schools near downtown Charlotte have hurt the Queen City.
Wake school leaders also point out that they have a lower teacher turnover rate than Charlotte, especially when you look at the the high poverty schools in CMS.
But considering that Charlotte's percentage of low-income students is way higher than Wake's, it's fair to ask how much that's affecting the difference.

Comments
good article
Wed, 02/11/2009 - 21:39 — AngelaWhttp://www.carolinajournal.com/jhdailyjournal/index.html
A Realistic Focus
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 16:04 — Voice_of_Reason_Focus on equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. Children will never have equal outcome.
Busing actually is conterproductive to LI children, since it moves them away from schools that give them federal protection under the NCLB Act. Magnets are anything but equal opportunity.
Voice, what if your LI node
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 16:57 — user1234Voice, what if your LI node gets into one of the “A” list schools which makes your community desirable over night, raises your wealth and can lead to more opportunities for the child and parents. People desperate to get into the “A” list school will move to those neighborhoods and invest which is good.
So be it - But
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 18:55 — Voice_of_Reason_But in Wake County it happens in reverse all the time too. I have seen many a neighborhood go from desirable to undesirable overnight due to WCPSS. I guess it helps the tax base.....Righttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. I put it in simpler terms, if a home was worth $600K before reassignment and after reassignment only $450K, then you don't get as much tax money. We don't see it that quick because on the insane 10-yr tax assessment cycle in Wake County.
Voice that proves my point
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 19:25 — user1234Voice that proves my point about disparity that one public school is worth $150k more than another. I know that is just an example but it helps explains the desperation some people here feel to get in and stay in an "A" list node. We talk about diversity, calendar integrity; right to summer, bussing and test scores but the real issue is wealth building and getting locked into the right node which increases your property value. There should not be that much disparity between schools to cause people to move from street to street trying to increase their net worth.
Doesn't prove anything -
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 20:35 — Voice_of_Reason_First off #'s are hypothetical. Second all it proves is people that can afford it migrate to good school areas because 99% of the rest of the country does it this way. Since the Realtors are mute about WCPSS policy, people factor schools into buying decisions; this is just human nature...something you can't change. That doesn't mean all homes in that area are higher priced, it disproportianally affects higher priced homes in the $250K-700K range in neighborhoods that have a reasonable high turnover. Why do you think web sites are dedicated to this very subject? Realtors are forbidden by law to talk about individual schools. Unless we start saying that certain people can't live in this district or you create school assignment areas that exclude LI areas on purpose and not due to geographical distance, I don't see how this is unfair. Otherwise using your logic all schools should have a mediocre outcome just to be fair. REALITY IS, WE SHOULD HAVE FREEDOM TO CHOSE WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO REASONABLY FACTOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. Life isn't fair and never will be.... get over it or work hard to change your own situation.
Voice, if membership in a
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 23:04 — user1234Voice, if membership in a public asset such as a certain school building is so valuable than we should make it available to everyone by lottery and not location. Everyone paid for that school and so everyone should have equal access.
True but
Mon, 02/09/2009 - 07:51 — Voice_of_Reason_Schools are public facilities and WCPSS can asign you wherever they like legally, but it does not make it right. They do have a responsibility to stewart our money also. Expensive busing for economic diversity is not working for the target population and has a negative effect on others...How is that being a good stewards.
You need to face reality, you can't demand equal outcome, only equal access to opportunity.
Voice, I agree and I would
Mon, 02/09/2009 - 10:18 — user1234Voice, I agree and I would settle for equal access to the "A" list schools. As you have noted elsewhere, in a failing system, parents will have that right anyway.
OK, now you agree.. can you quit being a troll?
Mon, 02/09/2009 - 10:50 — Voice_of_Reason_SO then what's your beef. As I pointed out several times if a high F&R Title I school fails (IAW NCLB formula), those parents have a right to be bused if they wish to the "A" list schools OR they can stick it out and possibly get free tutoring if it continues to fail. Those children have NO NCLB Rights in the "A" list schools, even if they fail.
Caveat: WCPSS says they cannot follow the federal law anymore because of the MANDITORY BUSING. (Even though most parents didn't want the voluntary busing anyway). Also WCPSS wants to use Title I money to pay teacher bonuses, that helps those children....Righttttttttt.
Ok then let me give you a
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 17:07 — vsheehanOk then let me give you a real estate tip. WCPSS is moving the rental slums node from one middle school to Daniels. Quick go move to the rental village. You can get great moving supplies for free on Wake freecycle.
Performance of schools is
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 11:28 — CaryCurmudgeonPerformance of schools is irrelevant, performance of students is what matters. WEP and the Wake school board assert that neighborhood schools will cause an exodus of teachers from high F&R schools, and test scores will tank. Well, CMS has had neighborhood schools for years. Whatever theoretical exodus of teaching talent will result has by definition already occurred in CMS. And CMS has closed the test score gap.
For a change, I agree with Rosa Gill. We don't need to do a study on the effectiveness of F&R busing. We already know it doesn't work.
CMS Schools Make Noticeable Progress Relative to WCPSS
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 11:05 — kmisegadesThe facts are now clear - ED student performance is improving in CMS through neighborhood schools as it declines in WCPSS as a result of income-based busing. Read the facts in our Open Letter to the Wake BOE.
E.Blau, B.Lynch, R.Margiotta, K.Misegades and K.Weatherly
http://aerosouth.net/images/CMS_vs_WCPSS.pdf
Blatant Lie
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 15:49 — supportwcpssThis is an outright lie but I guess we can expect that given your agenda. Throwing more money at poor schools in Charlotte is not working.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/14/AR2007051401606.html
It's just plain hard
Mon, 02/09/2009 - 08:38 — g88ky07when the truth REALLY comes forward isn't it!???
You folks at the wcpss and all your "supporters" aren't used to dealing with truth, so I understand. Just try an ice pack and maybe the swelling will go down before October 6th!
Huh?
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 22:19 — Bob_SconceDefine "Working" (or "Not Working"), please. The article you link to shows that poor kids in CMS are not doing well in school. That's no big surprise -- poor kids in Wake County are also not doing well.
Prove it
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 21:27 — kmisegadesFacts are stubborn things. The only agenda the authors have is the pursuit of truth. If you disagree, refute our findings, all based on the latest NCDPI and WCPSS reports available to you.
I was talking about the
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 23:23 — vsheehanI was talking about the ethnic gap with some one and sent them this article
http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/04/16/33gap_ep.h27.html&destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/04/16/33gap_ep.h27.html&levelId=2100
I said it reminded me about Thales in Apex and grouping by ability. That Thales teaching philosophy would cure the coming in at a high level and ending up 6 years later at a remedial level. She want to know where was the school and how do you apply. Thought that might make you happy
Thales reference
Mon, 02/09/2009 - 20:51 — kmisegadesThank you. The dynamic teaching methods used at Thales (and Franklin) Academy are truly amazing. I'm very proud of our staff. Kent M.
Yaaa Someone picked CMS
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 17:13 — vsheehanYaaa Someone picked CMS over WCPSS which has the same problems quoted in the article as CMS. The ethnicity gap is in both school system.
At West Charlotte High, considered one of North Carolina's poorest-performing high schools, the racial makeup (88 percent black) and poverty rate (75 percent) are close to those of some District schools, but the campuses feel worlds apart.
West Charlotte's 50-acre campus allows students and visitors to roam freely between numerous buildings patrolled by security officers in golf carts or on foot. There are no metal detectors like those in D.C. high schools. And unlike the crumbling infrastructure in many District schools, West Charlotte has a functioning pool, theater and beauty salon in addition to classrooms.
Since you clearly seem to be
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 17:06 — parentSince you clearly seem to be a member of the BOE, can you expalin how data changed in the course of the reassignment without parents being able to respond to such changes? Can you explain why there are so many discrepencies in the actual number of children in a node and the number presented by Chuck? And could you please tell me why a board of suppossedly educated people would approve a plan based on inaccurate data. Moving children may not be the worst thing that will ever happen to a child, but in the here and now they are pretty tramautized. Why not say "Hey, if we get accurate data maybe we won't have to move so many children and maybe we could save some money and maybe we could save a child from alot of tears." One thing that I liked about your article, the girl stated that her whole family had gone to that school. Can anyone in Wake Co. say that?
Show facts, not an article with an agenda
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 16:25 — Voice_of_Reason_Calling this an outright lie is an attack of on the character of these individuals. Having an different opinion is another matter entirely. You should be a little more civil.
I guess it matters how you want schools to perform:
Do you want to make sure all students perform at standard level, no matter what the cost? (including children for whatever reason that do not take advantage of opportunities)
Do you want all students to have access to programs that help them achieve at their highest potential? (or are you satisfied with a mediocre education of literacy)
And if you want both, which is more important, most cost effective, and the best for society as a whole? When there is finite resources, you have to know this.
Ok, so point out where our
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 16:12 — Eric_BOk, so point out where our analysis is wrong. Calling it a lie without showing where we are wrong is a sign of desperation.
I have problems with the WP article you cited. Particularly:
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Charlotte's students overall perform well in elementary school, for instance, but those gains largely disappear by high school, where many arrive needing remedial work. In the latest round of statewide tests, the yawning achievement gap between black and white students widened.
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Wake County is no better than Charlotte, in fact CMS ED students outperformed WCPSS ED students on high school End-of-Course tests in 2007-08.
2007-08 End-of-Course ED passing percentages
WCPSS: 52.4%
CMS: 55.3%
State: 53.6%
How do you explain this other than that CMS is doing a better job educating high school ED students?
Sniff, sniff, sniff
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 15:54 — g88ky07What's that smell?
One guess
Sun, 02/08/2009 - 16:52 — Dadof3A groveling toady?