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Comparing Wake and Charlotte in the 2010 School Report Cards

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State education officials have announced today that new 2010 school report cards are online now.

The report cards allow you to look up a wide range of data on both individual schools and school districts. Among other things, you've got data on test scores, finances, crime and safety and teacher licensure and experience.

In recent years, the release of the report cards has also resulted in comparisons between the Wake County and Charlotte-Mecklenburg school systems.

Looking at EOG data for kids passing both the reading and math exams, Wake continues to have a higher overall passing rate than Charlotte, 71.9 percent compared to 66.3 percent. But CMS has a higher passing rate than Wake for white, black, Hispanic, economically disadvantaged, non-economically disadvantaged and limited English proficient students.

On EOC tests, Wake also continues to be higher than CMS overall, 85.1 percent to 84.2 percent. But CMS has a higher passing rate than Wake for black, Hispanic, economically disadvantaged and limited English proficient students. Wake still narrowly outperforms CMS among white and non-economically disadvantaged students.

For both the EOG and EOCs results, Wake still is higher overall because it has more white and affluent students than CMS.

Supporters of Wake's old diversity policy often cite the funding disparity between the two districts to explain the recent academic gains in CMS.

The report cards show that Charlotte is spending $8260.80 per student compared to $7886.35 for Wake. That's a difference of $374.45 per student.

The funding disparity is largely due to Charlotte getting $384.38 more per student in federal dollars than Wake. Charlotte also gets $22.33 more per student in state dollars than Wake. But Wake is getting $32.26 more in local dollars than CMS.

Click here to view Wake's report card. Click here to view Charlotte's report card.

The report cards come out as the Great Schools in Wake Coalition is about to have another forum tonight comparing Wake and CMS.

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Does anyone really think

Does anyone really think that the $384.38 difference per student is the reason they score higher?  Does anyone think that adding that much funding would bring Wake up to parity?  Would a 5% budget increase make up the difference?

$384.38 x 30 kids is about

$384.38 x 30 kids is about equal to a teacher's assistant in every class which is one of the ways to increase student performance.

$384.38 x 30 kids is about

$384.38 x 30 kids is about equal to a teacher's assistant in every class which is one of the ways to increase student performance.
First, teacher assistants are limited to grades K-2 and special education. In grades K-2, classes are limited to 24 students. 24 * $384.38 = $9225.12.
 
In WCPSS, teacher assistants are paid at a pay grade 18 level, which means their salaries range from $19,125.60 to $32,226.72. They likely have some benefit package, which increases the cost associated with an assistant even further.
 
Also, while CMS has been working hard to improve their transportation costs, the most recently available figures have them spending about $100 more per student for busing.
 
Taken together, the difference in funding is probably only enough to put a teacher assistant in 1 out of every 4 or 5 classrooms (K-2). And since K-2 do not participate in EOG tests anyway, it is unlikely that the difference in funding could close the gap between WCPSS and CMS.

My wife had one in her 9th

My wife had one in her 9th grade low income class before the economic melt down. Second, many are part time so they don't have benefits and they don't need to be present in every class all the time.  For my wife, they would take the few kids needing extra help off to the side and get them back on track so she did not need to hold back the entire class.

In Wake, it's highly unusual

In Wake, it's highly unusual to have TAs in 9th grade classes, and all the K-2 TAs are full time.

For my wife, they would take the few kids needing extra help off to the side and get them back on track so she did not need to hold back the entire class.
 
All the more reason to group by ability, but then we get accused of warehousing.

TA's are only in K-1 now in

TA's are only in K-1 now in (most) schools, with funding formula changes by WCPSS, they are no longer in higher grades.  and class sizes are only mandated in K-2 @ 24, all higher grades have no limits.

hmm ... and we don't need

hmm ... and we don't need anymore funds ??  As I mentioned before, her low income class was restricted to 15 kids in Fairfax .... here is was 30 with a TA and now 30 with no TA ..and people wonder about graduation rates ??

How do you know?

"My wife had one in her 9th grade low income class...""

How do you/she know the students are/class is low income?

I think someone asked that on another thread.

Children who get free lunch

Children who get free lunch or reduced lunch and free breakfast are assumed to be low income.

user appears to be confused/conflicted?

 
 
 

 

If your kid is f&r, they had


If your kid is f&r, they had much less of a chance to get into the algebra track, and a much greater chance of being steered to remedial classes they didn't need

Again, I am not sure how teacher know a child's income?  I thought teachers only had access to kids achievement data not their income??  

Read more: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/looking-at-who-isnt-getting-into-algebra-i-in-middle-school#comment-193383#ixzz13ml7ra4e 

The post was that teachers

The post was that teachers single out poor kids for remedial work to condemn them to a life of failure.  My wife's kids can only do remedial work.  They read at a 3 to 5th grade level.  She would love for them to do more than remedial work.  Really love that.  She has no interest in keeping them doing remedial work like the poster said..  It seems they are poor from all outward appearance to me but the teacher does not get their 1040.   The teachers are not herding kids into remedial classes in some kind of income genocide.   That is ridiculous.  So in summary, teachers don't know kids income, don't get their 1040, probably know they are not wealthy, and don't herd them into remedial classes as a way to keep them from progressing.

Their address is in a

Their address is in a housing project.  She has to buy clothes for them.   She orders them free breakfast and lunch.   They are homeless or live in group homes. They could be millionaires cheating the system.

Thanks for explaining

That may help answer some of the questions various people have had about at least some of the ways that teachers might figure which students are F&R even though they do not have a list.

384.38 X 143,000 =

Its also about 55 million dollars. Anybody know how to compute that into X cents tax increase?

user is right

but one way for us to do that is to get rid of the ALPS and SES remediation programs. They were evaluated and found to be ineffective, but we continued to spend over 7 million dollars on them. That 7 million - if spent on teachers - would allow us to put 2.5 more teachers in every Title I school in Wake.

So...

Why is Charlotte getting more federal and state money?  Is it because they have more poor students?

Also, this is the first year

Also, this is the first year that Charlotte has cut it's funding.  The disparity has been much wider and more than federal funds for the past ten years.

CMS has a higher passing

CMS has a higher passing rate than Wake for white, black, Hispanic, economically disadvantaged, non-economically disadvantaged and limited English proficient students.
 
So would you suggest that all of us move to Charlotte?
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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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