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While some might complain about Superintendent Del Burns' new salary, it's actually comparable with those paid in school districts of a similar size.

As noted in today's article, the school board raised Burns' salary by 4 percent to $273,000. His total annual compensation is $312,790.

Burns' new salary is higher than the $260,000 paid to Charlotte-Mecklenburg Superintendent Peter Gorman. But Gorman could still earn more because he also gets $35,000 a year for retirement and can earn a performance bonus of up to $26,000.

Burns' salary is also higher than the $269,000 paid to San Diego (CA) Superintendent Terry Grier and the $243,799 to Montgomery County (MD) Superintendent Jerry Weast. Wake should overtake both districts in enrollment this year.

It's possible that Weast and Grier make more money than Burns when you throw in total compensation, not just salary. For instance, Grier got a total package last year of $372,193 when he ran the smaller Guilford County school system.

It's not cheap paying a superintendent when you get to a district that's as large as Wake County. According to the American Association of School Administrators, the average salary in 2006-07 for a superintendent in a district of 25,000 or more students was $204,766. Wake has more than 136,000 students.

In Prince George's County (MD), which is a few thousand students smaller than Wake, Superintendent John Deasy has salary of $273,000. The Washington Post estimates his annual compensation package is $424,000.

In Philadelphia, which has about 30,000 more students than Wake, Superintendent Arlene Ackerman is paid a base salary of $325,000. Her total compensation package with benefits is $494,000.

But in New York City, which has the largest school district in the nation with 1.1 million students, Chancellor Joel Klein is paid a salary of $250,000.

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Deasy on accountability

BREAKING: Distant Trouble Brewing for Deasy? WHAS TV in Louisville is reporting circumstances that might lead one to believe that John Deasy did not earn his doctorate, rather, had it "bestowed" by the former Dean of the University of Louisville, Robert Felner, now under federal investigation. http://theprincipal.blogspot.com/2008/09/need-doctorate-hire-felner-let-him.html

Living proof

I guess you don't need that PhD to do a great job. What's better a piece of paper or results. I'll take results every time.

Living proof

I guess you don't need that PhD to do a great job. What's better a piece of paper or results. I'll take results every time.

Dr. Deasy on Accountability

Some of Dr. Deasy's words on accountability:
Again, read more at the PG website:
"Regarding accountability, MPE requires accountability in a clear way that holds people responsible for meeting standards. Without accountability, standards are not really
standards -- they are, at worst, suggestions and, at best, goals. This is not acceptable for the youth of PGCPS, nor the great people who work here. Accountability in PGCPS
means accountability systems, for schools and other functional units (as examples: Transportation, Fiscal, Human Resources, Maintenance, Capital Improvement, the
Office of Accountability, and Food Services, to name a few) that identify important performance indicators, measure performance using these indicators, collect and distribute performance data publicly, and apply pre-determined consequences (rankings, rewards, sanctions, and/or interventions) for achieving pre-defined outcomes. In some ways, this extends what we have always asked individual students to experience to all of the adults in the system on behalf of our youth. Accountability also means individual accountability for all district employees and students. Accountability implies consequences, both positive and negative, for without consequences there is simply no accountability. We do not intend to measure just to obtain information. We intend to measure to change behavior and reach and exceed
our stated goals."

Just to point out...

I just wanted to point out that Dr. Deasy is most likely a democrat. Coming from me, those of you here who know me will probably find it a surprise for me hold up him as a positive example. I don't agree with all of the policies he discusses on his website but I'm stunned at the level of detail about his policies and view points are on the PG website. I found it interesting that his goal (while we're setting goals) is for a 100% graduation rate. One of his fundamental principals seems to be setting high standards for every student from every walk of life and not accepting any excuses from not meeting those standards. I also found it amazing that one of his measures of success for the school system is parental and community satisfaction (WHAT? I almost fell over....). You should all take some time and read what he has written on the PG website. Again, look here.
http://www1.pgcps.org/superintendent/

Some of Dr. Deasy's accomplishments in PG

I'm not sure just looking at SAT scores between Wake and PG county would be a good measure. Remember, PG county is basically suburban D.C. (a "real" urban city) His challenges are Wakes issue to the power of 10. PG county ended busing for diversity around 2002.
Deasy also only joined PG county in 2006 which is probably not enough time to have a great impact on SAT scores but some of the accomplishments since then are listed below.

1-More than double the number of schools exited school improvement than were exiting school improvement when we arrived (we means Deasy and a new school board, "school improvement" is some kind of NCLB label)
2- Double digit gains in proficiency in every grade and every subject
3-31% gains at some elementary grades in math
4-30% gains at some elementary grades in reading
5-18% gains for youth in poverty
6-24% gains for youth who receive special education services
7-35% gains for youth who do not speak English as a first language
8-More than a 40% increase of youth of color gaining access to AP courses

Mr. Hui

Since you wished to do comparisons, I wish you could point this out in an article in the N&O print. This is a success story that goes against all that WCPSS stands for. Dr. Deasy earned his salary with results.

Mr. Hui

Since you wished to do comparisons, I wish you could point this out in an article in the N&O print. This is a success story that goes against all that WCPSS stands for. Dr. Deasy earned his salary with results.

so.....

so it sounds like to me that this man did more in this county (without busing) than Del has done for Wake....

 

is that how the rest of ya'll read it?

Amen, sister! (Del OR Bill

Amen, sister! (Del OR Bill McNeill, this s$it has been rolling down hill a loooong time now!)

 

AWESOME find, thanks! look

AWESOME find, thanks! look forward to reading about him later on tonight.

Meet Dr. Deasy

Since Mr. Burns's salary was compared to Dr. Deasy of Prince George's County, MD, I thougt y'all might want to some more information for comparison. Start with his 5 core principal's:

Dr. Deasy has five core beliefs:

1. Children ARE our business and THEY come first;

2. Parents are our partners;

3. Victory is in the classroom;

4. Continuous improvement in teaching, leadership and accountability is the key to our success; and

5. EVERY member of this community shares the responsibility for successful schools.

Here's an excerpt of a speech he gave to the DNC. "Finally, the fifth goal is to get everyone involved. The examples I’ve given are the kind of work that cannot be done solely by superintendents and school boards, or principals, or teachers. This is a community responsibility, and a national responsibility. For example, we know that families play a critical role. The education of a student is a 24-hour, 7-day, 52-week kind of effort, and the environment at home has to be as focused on academics as the environment in the classroom." Much more info can be found here: http://www1.pgcps.org/superintendent/ Take some time and read through his stuff and his amazing success in PGC (a county I once lived in). He has much, much bigger challenges than we do in Wake Co. and he is kicking but. To compare him to Del "nobody" Burns is a joke.

compare

How does this school system compare to Wake County in regards to SAT scores, NCLB and EOG's?

Does this system Bus children all over the county?

Remember WCPSS is big only because of State Gov.

FACT - Raleigh is not a big city, it is a medium size one. FACT - The population density is also very low comparied to most metropolitan areas.
FACT - The consolidation occured because of social engineering.

Pay

In many ways Del Burns should be paid in the millions(not that he would deserve it).In Ohio the school district that we came from had 13,000 students and the superindent makes a little over 200,000 and gets an extra $1,800 a month to help cover his mortage until his house sells.So if we are to pay like the Ohio schools his salary should be 10 times higher!

Pay should be dictated by RESULTS

Why can't his salary be based on PERFORMANCE and achieving specific and measurable goals???

(because then he'd be paid less than our lowest paid teachers)

When the teachers receive a lower bonus than the superindent of the school system that's insane.  If you're asking the teachers to accept low bonuses YOU should forgo your own too.

http://swz.salary.com/salaryw

http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_ED03000014.html

http://www.payscale.com/rese

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=School_Superintendent/Salary

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=School_Superintendent/Salary/by_Company_Size

Yes....Break it up!

Concerned Parent,
816K is a fraction of the wasted dollars in the bloated WCPSS. I would actually break it up into 5 different systems. 1 million or so is a infinitely small price to pay for a school system that is responsive to the true needs of the children, parents and tax payers. That amount of money could be saved in busing cost alone by having local school systems. By your logic, we should just have one sup for the entire state! Or perhaps the entire country! Local is better, more efficient, more responsive and always will be. The best thing about a local school system is that if you don’t like it, you can move. For that reason alone, local schools systems are more accountable to local communities and leaders. WCPSS is run from inside the beltway. Do you really believe the ITB people have the same values, needs, desires, priorities, etc. as the folks living in SW Wake Co, out in Garner, HS, FV, WF….I think not.

Really, break it up?

OK, so the "average" salary for Super for 25,000 student school system is $204,000 (yikes! - I'm in the wrong job!)

Split WCPSS into 4 districts. Make each one "Average" - so each district would have 136,000/4 = 34,000 students or so.

So instead of 1 super at $312K, we would have 4 supers at $204K each = $816K???

Or would each sub-wake district try to pay far below the average? And what about support staffs in each new district?

?????

Where do you get your numbers?

Company size is the number of employees, not students. Students are customers of the service provided. Also a break up would mean less assistant superintendants. BL - Dr. Burns is being paid way too much and we are being played like fools.

yeah I thought that after I

yeah I thought that after I put that in there....looking for more comparisions of Supers in large districts.....and then should compare the success rate (for lack of a better word) and see if that is commensurate with salary as well

Do we have access to more administrative salary's?

I wonder how much we are overpaying across the school system?

might this be Chuckie

might this be Chuckie D?

$115,214.04 Assistant Superintendent Growth and Planning -981

hmmm

there was a hubub about a year or two ago about salaries with names being accessable online and I *think* it was admins as well as all school employees?

does that sound familiar to anyone else?

haha, answered my own question; (didn't look through the whole thing though to verify WCPSS Admin yet though!) (ok looks to be all the way at the bottom)

http://www.wral.com/news/public_records/page/1281122/

Salary rates commensurate with...

Thanks for the info, as always. My following unkind remarks does not reflect my appreciation for your work here.

Given what a terrible shape public ed in America generally is, that Del Burns "burns" our budget as brightly as he does does not mean that it's OK. I'd like to see salary to performance ratios but, please, don't roll out the WCPSS statistician for that -- I'm still floored we have a spreadsheet jockey on the books. We're fancy by half and we reward the weavers of the fine costume for the naked emperor with $10 k MORE of our tax dollars for a system that makes the parents bristle.

Wake County: stop confusing spending with intent.

Holy smokes; Philly, the 5th largest city in the US, has 30 k more students than Wake County. Break this colossus up already! Send your contributions of Gatorade and Tums to Ron M.

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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