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Charlotte outperforming Wake among black, low-income students

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Considering how much supporters of the diversity policy made Charlotte-Meckkenburg schools a boogeyman during the school board campaign, the new board members arguably are having the last laugh now.

As noted in today's article, the new 2009 state report cards show that Charlotte's black and low-income students are outperforming their peers in Wake on state EOG and EOC exams.

"We're not saying that Charlotte is the right way, but the fact that they're doing better than us shows how poorly we've been doing," said new school board member John Tedesco in the article.

Tedesco reiterated that he wants to find a new way of educating students that's better than the Charlotte way or the Wake way.

During the campaign, diversity policy supporters frequently warned that the other side would turn Wake into a failing school system like Charlotte.

Remember this television ad? Or this mailer by the Wake Democratic Party? How about this mailer from candidate Rita Rakestraw?

School board member Keith Sutton conceded that Charlotte may be doing a better job of educating its disadvantaged students than Wake.

For instance, Sutton said that some low-income students might be "slipping through the cracks" at non-Title I schools. Wake only uses Title I funding at elementary schools where at least 35 percent of the students receive federally subsidized lunches.

But Sutton said going to neighborhood schools is not the answer to improving the performance of Wake's black and low-income students.

"I don't think the system is broken," Sutton said in the article. "Can it be tweaked? Sure."

The counter response is that Charlotte spends more per student than Wake.

Tedesco said there are creative ways that Wake can do more without necessarily spending additional money. For instance, he said they could retask some high school guidance counselors to work with targeted groups of at-risk students,

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Long time no see, Carson.

Long time no see, Carson. Where ya been?

Question for Keung: Obama education speech; Madison WI

Keung, Obama's speech in Madison, WI was extremely intriguing in the sense that it skewered (and challenged) "establishment" theory on education...so how come there was no coverage on this blog?

And yes, it has major "local news" implications for our county system, since he challenged many of the "sacred cows" that the entrenched theorists hold to be true...too many to list here, requesting you please initiate a civil public discussion here....

And I'm writing this from a state that ranks poorly, in a nation that often ranks poorly in the global "Race to the Top", which was the title of his speech!

Please post a link to the transcript of his speech: finally perhaps we can debate ways to move beyond skin color or wallet-thickness to the issue of parents+children+schools?Keung?

This is still the WAKEED

This is still the WAKEED blog. The primary focus is on Wake County with some reference to state stuff when it touches on Wake. There's enough stuff to deal with here without turning it into a general education blog.

Durham paper editorial...

http://www.heraldsun.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Nov-+7-+2009%20&id=4367435-Nov-+7-+2009&instance=most_commented

Maybe Mr. Hamblet should stir his own pot

He could focus on why Chapel Hill still has its own school system as he lives in Orange County instead of worrying about Wake County. He obviously has not done any research and has no clue what has been going on here or about the new BOE members.

I just searched John Tedesco

I just searched John Tedesco and would you be surprised that some white supremacist blogs are already super excited about the new board members?

I hate that for him and the others but I do think people who are so *puzzled* at others fears of resegregation should keep in mind who else is pro "neighborhood schools". When the KKK is energized by your ideas, it gives me pause and I don't think there's a thing wrong with that.

who's playing a race card when its white supremacists and racial separatists who are all "yayyyyy John Tedesco!!" come on MAN!!

I'm calling shenanigans

Where did you search?  I just searched for him.  The top site is his web site.  The 2nd top site is some San Antonio reporter.  The 3rd site is Wakeed.  The 4th site is some guy at Virginia Tech.  

I think you're just making this up.  Prove it -- what sites are you talking about?  Post the links.

This is the kind of crazy garbage

This is the kind of crazy garbage that happens when people paint other people as something they are NOT. Well, apparently liberal elites and these supremacists have something in common - they are both misinformed on the same subject.

...

It is obvious you have never met John Tedesco. If you had, you wouldn't be posting such disgusting rants.  Take some time to get to know the new Board members before stirring the pot. Your posts are nothing but inflammatory.

 

 

Yes, never ever met him and

Yes, never ever met him and NOT asserting he is anything other than a wonderful person who obviously cares about kids and education. He is extremely well-spoken and articulate as well.

I guess we both agree that those blogs are coming from a disgusting place, and I know it bothers pro neighborhood schools people that racial separatists try to pat them on the back.  it happens though so there is no reason to pretend it doesnt.

So, then

So if you believe you may find him a wonderful person once you meet him (which I have and he is) then why spread the lies? Why add gasoline to the toxic spark?

Those people are just as ignorant as Dr. Barber who clearly took everything he wanted to know about John Tedesco from the media headlines intended to do nothing else but sell more space and air time. Sound bites tell you nothing. 

 

When I made phone calls for John's campaign and ran into someone who was clearly ignorant in this regard I made sure to tell them that John is the VP ofBig Brothers Big Sisters and spends EVERY day helping at-risk kids. (Common response: "That's his job?" Yes, that's his job. Its how he spends his days. How do you spend your days?) I told them about the programs he helped spearhead like the one in Durham to make sure at-risk children have access to free health care. They stopped and listened.

 

Spread the light, not the poison.  

flush

I am looking forward to fewer blacks and mexicans in my school.  They have their own schools on the SE side to look after their special needs and culture.  If they want in my school get a job and learn English.  Everyone has been wating a long time to flush the schools out and we are almost there.

Troll Post

Please do not feed the troll.

You are an ass. What is the

You are an ass. What is the point of your distasteful and asinine posts?

ROFL

Once is enough
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/editorials/story/178751.html

Backers hope magnets stay

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local_state/story/180989.html

I can't tell whose side I'm on

I hate to admit this, but I really can't tell which school board members--new and old--believe what I think is best for kids. I can't tell if we are about to re-segregate the schools or not. Are we going to do what I think is best for all kids, which is give them all access to the best resources and quit driving them for hours per day so as to spread out the low income kids so you don't have to comply with AYP sanctions (from not educating them)? I really hate to say this, but I did not vote in the school board election because I couldn't tell whose side I am on.

I am very opinionated. So, I would think it would be easy to tell whose side I am on. I don't think of myself as being "mentally challenged."

I figure if I am this confused, other people must be also.

know what you mean

I know what you mean, my rep wasn't up for re-election but yeah I don't want schools to resegregate either.

and I hate excessive reassignments and arrogance at the district level and not listening to us.  

but I worry sometimes that a move to a strict geographical proximity assignment model is the worst idea because it take a system with choices and diversity (I understand some ppl dont care about this but I do) and turns it into a system of NO choices other than moving...and in this economy, I think it's unreasonable to expect ppl to move to choose their school.   

One fundamental

One fundamental difference.  The current school board members believe they know what's best for kids.  the new school board members believe parents know what's best for their kids.

Slight modification

the new school board members believe a vocal minority of parents know what's best for their kids.

Let's see if they actually listen to everyone. 

Still in denial, eh? 

Still in denial, eh?  Vocal minority?  Turnout for all four school board elections was substantially higher than four years ago (when a "vocal minority" elected the status quo people?).  8,000 people voted in Tedesco's election, 5,000 more than when Horace won.

Look at the PPP data which was released after the October 6th election.  No demographic group expressed substantive support for "bus and switch" socio-economic or racial busing.  The results of this poll map almost exactly to least year's Harvard poll which was nationwide.  That poll also included public school teachers who also did not express favorable support of busing.

I hope those who would keep us in the 1970's (like you) continue to dismiss these elections as reflective of a "vocal minority."  It will make it that much easier to maintain the new status quo.

do you mean because not all

do you mean because not all the districts were up for re-election?

Look for that to change. 

Look for that to change.  The current school board and their backers in the General Assembly have fought against having at-large school board elections for years.  Meanwhile, our county commissioners are district-based, but all elected at-large.

Now that they have found that district-based election no longer protect their agenda, I would not be surprised to see them change positions on this issue.

not sure I agree, because

not sure I agree, because the new board majority were all elected under a district based system...not sure why they would change that since it worked for them!  I think you have a good point though, there was definitely suburban resentment of the district based system for years

But it doesn't work for them

But it doesn't work for them now, and it probably won't after the districts are redrawn following the 2010 census.  The school board does not decide whether to have at-large elections, that decision lies with the State Legislature.  The two senior members of the Wake County delegation (Deborah Ross, Jennifer Weiss) are both strong supporters of the old guard.  After seeing the old guard tossed in this election, I would not be surprised to look for a way to regain control.

I think with the population

I think with the population shifts it has worked for supporters of assignment overhaul, is that wrong?  they won all their races. 

Well..

So, I think CC's point is that the commissioners, Democrats in the GA, outgoing school board and unelected political leaders in the area all favored district-based elections because they thought at-large elections would mean an overturning of the policies they like.

 

Now that group of people have to reconsider that approach.  After all, their supporters are generally in districts that didn't vote this time around.  That group has to wonder if the result would have been different if their supporters were able to vote. 

 

They'll be even more interested in switching to at-large elections after their supporters lose a board seat in the redistricting after next year's census and in 2011 when Kevin Hill faces an uphill re-election fight.

 

District elections have certainly worked for those of us in favor of change.   And that's why those who liked the way things were may stop liking district elections.

Is that a fact??

How do you know it's a minority?

Opinion

It's an opinion just like everyone else's comments on this blog.  What I truly believe is that there is a minority at both ends and a bunch of apathetic people in the middle.

Shoe moves from one foot to another; snarkapolooza ensues

For the previous years, under the soon-to-be-old ed-junta, I had to concede the majority/minority argument, here, as it related to electoral results and consequent policies from elected members. All that matters is who wins the election. Everything else is an abstraction.

Now, the shoe is really on the other foot, and you have become the very insult you love to hurl: hypocrite. Have fun with your hallmark snark.

OT-alert

"Catch your breath," recently elected board member John Tedesco said. "The magnet programs aren't going anywhere tomorrow."
http://wake.mync.com/site/Wake/news/story/44188/board-members-throw-support-behind-magnet-schools1/

Proponents of longer school

Proponents of longer school hours contend that “poorer kids” face “problems that interfere with learning,” according to the AP, including “less involvement by their parents,” while children from more-affluent homes benefit from parents who “read to them, have strong language skills,” and “give them learning opportunities.” I suspect many nonaffluent parents would object to that generalization. But even where it is true, the solution doesn’t require longer days and years for every child. If some students need remedial help beyond current school hours, schools can offer it to them, as many already do. But we shouldn’t compel every child to stay just because some may need to.

 

We can also address how many minutes and hours teachers are compelled to spend on classroom management, and how much chaos their students are forced to endure at the hands of a disruptive few because perverse regulations, the threat of litigation, and pipe-dream behavior theories continue to rule in our schools.

We can address how much time schools divert to social services. We can address how vague, nonacademic objectives have supplanted academic content. All this folly costs more than a summer every year.

Finally, we can understand that giving children the summer away from school isn’t a waste of their time. Unless we’re saying that being home is a waste of their time.

If that’s the case, we’ve got a more perilous problem than an eternity in my classroom can cure.

 http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2009/11/04/10berger.h29.html?tkn=RSZFAJHIsK8a3HqnJL%2BSWNJyID7aYAffHHh5

Have you seen some of the

Have you seen some of the models shared by J Tedesco?  Brilliant.  Creating a community school with a community center to provide before and after school activities could be funded with the dollars currently being *driven away* with busing and hiding children miles from home.

And...

I don't think Mr. Tedesco has any idea how much intervention this population needs and the associated costs.  Reducing busing will be a tiny percentage of the funding needed in these schools.

Apparently you think you

Apparently you think you know what this population does need (since you have decided that Mr. Tedesco does not have that knowledge).  Why don't you pick up the phone and give him a call to discuss?  Or, email him at

jtedesco@4wakekids.com

Facts

Have you seen my earlier postings about the county-wide increase in transportation costs when the 22 schools were converted to MYR a couple of years ago? I will gladly re-post that if you'd like. Switching some of those schools back won't solve every problem, but it would definitely save money.

You obviously don't know anything

You obviously don't know anything about Mr. Tedesco.

...

Are you implying that you do? Please share.

 

Well

I've already discussed and don't have the time you do to restate things again on this blog.

But i did work within a ED department for a regional part of state system in the NE.  We tried a number of new programs, most of which ended up needing more funding then the state could provide. 

Tutoring doesn't do the job. It takes much more to get the kids up to par and keep them there.  But then you run into the argument of whose responsibility it is behind reading, writing, and arithmetic. 

To sum it up

"I don't think Mr. Tedesco has any idea how much intervention this population needs and the associated costs."

 

On the one hand we have you, someone who "did work within a ED department for a regional part of state system in the NE," and on the other hand we have Mr. Tedesco, a new BOE member who grew up ED and works with ED kids right here, right now in Wake County as a VP of Big Brothers Big Sisters.

 

Having lived in high ED areas, and having been someone who could have qualified for ED at times and attended a wonderful 70% ED school, I'll take Mr. Tedesco's ideas on 'this population' over yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays. 

But support did stay at a

But support did stay at a Holiday Inn !!

Neighborhood Schools - Low Income Families - Wake vs. CMS

I'm reading this article and the same comments over many of WEB posts. The Reverend and the NAACP keeping repeating resegregation with neighborhood schools as a huge concern for Black people and that it will cause a throwback to the 1960's. But what these opponents are forgetting that in the 40 or so years since desegregation, the demographics of the whole country and Wake County in particular have changed also, and the dynamics of that population are no longer black/white, poor/wealthy, educated and uneducated, And to keep perpetuating the black vs. white as the only common factor is to totally misrepresent society incorrectly. Any group who would be the proponent of the poor and disadvantaged minorities in this State, should not choose only one particular group to champion. I don't think neighborhood schools in 2010 will look anything like the neighborhood schools of the 70's and 80's. Will there be pockets of similar races throughout the County? I would imagine there will. Mostly because people will still choose to live with people who share the same cultural, spiritual and social values. But I believe it's always better to let families choose, not be mandated, where education should happen within their family structure. I'm glad a new Board is going to look at this with new eyes. I am hopeful that other organizations and groups can see societal changes with 2010 eyes also.

UNC Center for Civil Rights

UNC Center for Civil Rights and other such university centers throughout the country have long touted Wake as the anti-CMS.  Check out this April 2008 archive from Gary Orfield's monthly newsletter: http://theintegrationreport.wordpress.com/2008/04/.  

"Recent data from CMS reveal a starkly resegregated school district, with the number of racially identifiable schools nearly doubling since the implementation of the 2002 race-neutral assignment plan.4
Pass rates on the end-of-grade assessments fall below the state average
for economically disadvantaged, Limited English Proficient (LEP) and
Latino students.....In contrast to the situation in Charlotte, nearby Raleigh has experienced a fair amount of success under its SES diversity plan......Student achievement hovers above state averages for almost all subgroups,11
and despite a growing minority of parents vocally opposing the plan,
school board elections continue to yield members who support the SES
assignment plan."

Wonder when they will publish a correction to this information?

You do know that "forced

You do know that "forced busing" was required by law to undo years of unequal schooling?  and you've heard of separate but equal is inherently unequal?  Just checking.  

and are you familiar with the history of the wake system?  in that we were on track to resegreate until the 1976 merger? 

Yes, Carson

Don't be afraid. These bloggers and parents have been following the story for a looooong, loooooooooooong time. Not trying to be sarcastic, just saying that it can be true to have honest folks following this who have intently tracked all the subtle issues and STILL have concluded that this board's direction is the best at the moment. 

Uhh...

"Forced busing" was never required by law in Wake County.   In Charlotte, where it was instituted, it was intended to undo the effects of years of forced segregation.  In 2000, the courts decided that Charlotte had remedied that problem.

Nobody's talking about instituting a "separate but equal" policy.  Even if somebody were, they wouldn't get very far since the Supreme Court declared it to be unconstitutional.

And, as has been pointed out in a recent N&O article, going to a straight neighborhood schools scenario would not return to racially segregated schools because 2009 Raleigh is much more racially mixed than 1959 Raleigh.  No "resegregation" is possible.

 

you couldnt be more

you couldnt be more wrong.  Are you honestly asserting that schools will not become racially identifiable were people to move to a GEOGRAPHICAL PROXIMITY FORCED ASSIGNMENT PLAN would? 

ever been to SE Raleigh?  and do you realize there already racially identifiable schools in the county even under the current plan?  so you are already wrong!  

and you yourself just said that the supreme court's decision against separate but equal declared such schools unconsitutional, so this is of course what I meant by "required by law" - DUH.

Hah...

My neighborhood is not racially identifiable.  I don't know why a
school full of kids from my neighborhood would be racially identifiable.

Southeast
Raleigh has poor black folks.  It also has poor white folks.  Unless
you're suggesting that we'll separate the assignments of those two
groups, we won't end up with segregated schools.

50 years ago, segregating by neighborhood meant segregating by race.  But, Wake neighborhoods are far more mixed today than they were then.

Forced busing was required by judicial order, not the Constitution.  And, it was never required by judicial order in Wake County.

"Mostly because people will still choose to live with people

who share the same cultural, spiritual and social values."

I wish it was that simple.  However, if I'm a sales associate at a local store, making $24,000/year, my choice is not based upon a particular group, it's a financial decision... I can't afford more than $550/month for an apartment.  Also, I may be limited to apartment complexes that has a transit stop, because I can't afford a car. 

If you are a sales associate

If you are a sales associate making $24K/yr, your choice was made by the career you selected which was likely made by the educational choices you made prior to that.  You still have choices that included getting additional education and/or professional skills to improve your financial situation.  Life is a series of choices.  Some choices lead to more choices, some choices lead to less.

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