The big news out of today's press conference is that the Greater Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and the Wake Education Partnership are hiring Michael Alves to develop his own student assignment plan for Wake County.
Alves, the leading proponent for controlled choice, will develop a plan using most of the same criteria that the school board is using such as stability, choice and proximity. But they're asking him to also balance student achievement at schools as a fourth criteria for the new map.
"We believe this is important because a plan that balances student achievement makes it more likely that every school can attract and retain good principals and teachers," said Jim Beck, chairman of the Chamber's education committee.
If those words sound familiar, it's what was used to justify balancing schools by socioeconomic diversity.
Student achievement has been discussed by the school board's student assignment committee but they're not looking at trying to draw up zones to balance out passing rates.
Alves will present his plan to the student assignment committee in late November or early December. Beck said the Alves plan shouldn't be considered a rival plan but something that would be of use to the school board in developing the new model.

Comments
I don't understand Goldman at all.
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 21:15 — woodstockI don't understand Goldman at all. Mostly I think she likes to hear herself talk. Her ridiculous capitulations early on when the diversity insanity could have ended on day one of the new board's tenure is the reason we are still talking it about it today...and folks like Barber, Tyson and Brannon had a the time to mobilize their brainwashed minions. I've concluded she is a.) not very smart b.) not who she presents herself to be or c.) is a media pig who craves the spot light. None of which is condusive to doing what she was elected to do on the board.
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Fri, 09/17/2010 - 17:07 — AngelaWhttp://www.johnlocke.org/acrobat/cjPrintEdition/cj-sept2010-web2.pdf?__utma=1.1498654693.1284756860.1284756860.1284756860.1&__utmb=1.6.10.1284756860&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1284756860.1.1.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=carolina%20journal&__utmv=-&__utmk=82195350
Parents say they are
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http://www.charlotteobserver.
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 10:51 — AngelaWhttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/09/16/1695566/struggling-students-best-teachers.html
Did you read the main
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 14:57 — carson79Did you read the main article on Charlotte's education blog homepage? It is about 32 schools in need of attention. Possible things being considered are closing the school down, reassigning some kids out, reassigning other kids in, etc.
So Charlotte is considering "busing" or "shuffling" - shame on them....
Forgot the YR
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 22:58 — Solon77Not to forget the YR option.
Duncan - typical CEO type, came in rearranged the deck chairs and departed before he could be held accountable for anything. Chicago is a mess.
Are you comparing Raleigh --
Sat, 09/18/2010 - 10:40 — woodstockAre you comparing Raleigh -- mostly surburban -- to Chicago? Really? Also, Chicago is a mess for far more reasons than its schools.
Question
Sat, 09/18/2010 - 11:35 — Solon77I question Duncan's credibility.
With regards to Chicago - it is a community based school system and as such parents are more involved, poor academic performance is out in the open, the community rallying around to provide support, .....ect. Just watching to see how it all works out for them.
Oh, please, do you really
Sun, 09/19/2010 - 03:34 — jeffrey1Oh, please, do you really expect to be taken seriously.
Chicago public schools are 9% white and 86% low income.
Just exactly what kind of assignment system do you propose? How does controlled choice work everyone is a poor minority?
Do you hear yourselves?
Mon, 09/20/2010 - 00:22 — SDR256The toxic position that you who pretend to want to help 'poor minorities' is outrageous. And you don't even know you're doing it. Finish your own logic here...
"how does controlled choice work (when) everyone is a poor minority ...
(because why? 'they' are all the same? 'they' can't learn? no one would want to go to school with 'them'? - do you think the children who have attended 'healthy schools' on behalf of the diversity policy don't know the underlying premise of systems built on these assumptions? They do. They're smarter than you think they are, clearly. )
very sad
Mon, 09/20/2010 - 10:45 — loriacAnd my corollary question is - why is it ok to tell entire neighborhoods full of kids that they couldn't possibly go to school together without failing. What would your neighborhood kids think if someone told them they had to be split up and bused all over Wake County so their school wouldn't be too high a percentage of 'xxx' (fill in the xxx here)
It's very sad. I'm glad this is changing.
Don't quite understand what
Mon, 09/20/2010 - 02:00 — jeffrey1Don't quite understand what you are saying here (would not be the first time), but if you are being critical of me, I would only say that comparing Wake to Chicago makes no sense. If Chicago is indeed a community based school system (as was stated), and that community school system is responsible for their poor performance (as was implied), how could you possible change it to a controlled choice model? The purpose of controlled choice is to avoid low income schools. How exactly do you avoid low income schools when 86% of your students are low income. In other words, the poor performance of the Chicago schools has nothing to do with their assignment model, and any attempt to project the performance of Chicago's community based schools to Wake's future community schools is ludicrous.
Keep it simple
Mon, 09/20/2010 - 21:30 — SDR256I'll keep this simple. Your post was about community schools and avoiding high poverty schools. We have more impoverished families in this county every day. High concentrations of ED students is something we will see more of, not less. Its just math. So, where is the data that shows that high ED numbers = absolute failure? Where is the data that shows improvement by moving children 20 miles away, to unfamiliar and - as we've seen in the Algebra scandal of late - unfriendly territory? Yes, sure, I know it improves schools' scores - because children are hidden. But here in Wake busing has not improved individual children's scores. We will have more and more impoverished families over the next few years. We need to face this, not hide from it. I never thought of controlled choice as 'running from' high poverty schools. Naively, I thought it was about providing different programs for - uh - choice, so that families could find the right balance of proximity, stability and programs that met their needs.
ED children are being used as a political football. When they get help - as with the Dillard case - they have been moved to increase appearances at another school. That is the result of the 'no high poverty schools' approach. It didn't matter that they were ACHIEVING STUDENTS, only what their parents had in their bank accounts. We need the problem out in the open air so we can apply some innovation and resources where children are struggling. Are they struggling the most at high poverty schools? Hard to say. Seems to me someone talked about Smith lately and that this is one of our highest poverty schools, and that they have made great strides in achievement over the last year or two. Anyone want to share about that?
The point I was trying to make - which apparently is too obtuse for you - is that you are showing the toxicity and prejudice of the at-risk model by focusing on the 'scary' idea of low income children sitting together. Stop labeling.
Assign the children. Assess individual achievement. See where children are struggling. Apply innovation and help. Stop running from it, stop trying to hide it.
The point I was trying to
Wed, 09/22/2010 - 00:21 — jeffrey1I don't think you're arguing
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 08:34 — danofncI don't think you're arguing with the right person. Jeffrey1 would probably agree with almost everything you said.
His post was in reference to a comparison between WCPSS and Chicago. He was asking how you avoid high poverty schools through controlled choice in a district that is 86% poor kids. He was asking how you avoid racially-imbalanced schools in a district that is 9% white. He was illustrating why that comparison is useless.
Plus, the simple fact is that we don't know if busing helped scores or not. The fact that the scores aren't great doesn't mean they can't get worse.
The EVAAS changes seem great, on the surface, until you remember how easy people like willynilly say the tests are. Then, it makes me wonder if using test scores as the ultimate predictor is the best thing. I hope so, but I don't think it's a guaranteed positive. If a kid has struggled in a class for an entire year but barely passes, and then makes a 70.5% on a test that the teacher spent 2 or 3 weeks getting him ready to take, I'm not convinced that an accelerated math track is the best thing for him. But I think EVAAS would say move him up. I admit I haven't paid much attention to the EVAAS talk, so I may have that wrong. Actually, I hope that I do.
EVAAS
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 09:24 — lferreriEVAAS doesn't use just one test result. It uses at least three scores and generally there will be more. So the scenario you are concerned about isn't how it works. (One score on an EOG would not by itself cause a poorly prepared student to be recommended for advanced math since it would be just one EOG score in a group of at least three and maybe more. Also the percentage given by EVAAS is a prediction for success, not an EOG score. So a 70.5% on an EOG isn't an EVAAS prediction, just an input into the calculation.) Since the predictions are accurate close to 96% of the time for 8th grade Algebra, EVAAS must be capturing some significant information about the students even if the tests are easy.
Does that mean that 96% of
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 09:56 — danofncDoes that mean that 96% of the time at least 70% of kids will pass 8th grade Algebra?
No
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 10:05 — lferreriNo, it means that 96% (95.9% to be exact) of the students who were predicted to succeed in 8th grade Algebra and enrolled in that class actually passed the EOG.
The 70% comes in because EVAAS uses a 70% probability of success as a cutoff point. The report was prepared using 2008 data for all NC students. There were 86,300 students in this group.
Were the kids in the report
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 11:29 — danofncWere the kids in the report placed through the use of EVAAS? I didn't realize that EVAAS had been in use for so long throughout the state. I thought it was relatively new. Interesting.
Placement
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 11:47 — lferreriThere's no way to tell how placements were made. We know that EVAAS was not being used everywhere in the state because only 18,670 of the 42,144 qualified students were placed into 8th grade Algebra. (And 2,002 students who did not meet the 70% cutoff were placed.) SAS could not determine why the placements were made. As noted below, EVAAS has been around for a long time. I believe it's been available to schools in NC for at least several years. It's paid for by the state. Wake County just hasn't been using it.
SAS has been developing
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 11:39 — AngelaWSAS has been developing educational value-added assessment system (EVAAS) for more than 20 years. The SAS EVAAS technology has been implemented in Tennessee since 1992, and it has since become statewide in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and North Carolina.
http://www.sas.com/resources/product-brief/SAS_EVAAS_for_K-12.pdf
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wake-schools-signing-up-for-evaas
10/21/2009
http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/do
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 12:17 — AngelaWhttp://www.dpi.state.nc.us/docs/stateboard/meetings/2007/12/tcs/12tcs04.pdf
Legislation
• $1,200,000 is appropriated to provide all LEAs access to EVASS. In FY 2007-08 the
G.A. appropriated $750,000 for the teacher module to be used along with EVASS.
Below is the enacting legislation:
Provides $355, 000 (additional funding) to support EVAAS licenses for all LEAs that have
never had EVAAS licenses. The remaining $750, 000 (new appropriation) will be used to
purchase EVAAS Teacher Analysis to be used in conjunction with EVAAS>
The district's staff is
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 15:32 — AngelaWThe district's staff is expected to present some options for board discussion at a workshop on Tuesday.
"These (32 schools) are examples, cautious examples. I'd resist moving too quickly to conclusions or even speculation," Davis said. "This is a time for patience."
Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/09/09/1677331/school-changes-likely-to-be-felt.html#ixzz0zoiGQrUr
AngelaW, you should know
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 12:23 — woodstockAngelaW, you should know better than this. The loud fringe opposstion doesn't like you throwing a wrench into their argument by bringing up Arne Duncan's --President Obama's Education Secretary -- take on the value of community schools. It douses the flames of their race-hustling rhetoric and adds even more credibility to what the new BoE is moving forward with.
sorry! 50 lashes with a wet
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 14:35 — AngelaWsorry! 50 lashes with a wet noodle.
shame on initiative, shame on teaching not busing, shame on trying to help ALL children improve.
Chicago
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 23:22 — Solon77Yes Chicago is doing just fantastic. Arne left behind a stellar school system, I guess the poor performance must be the fault of the new administration. So if we are looking for declining test scores and more schools on academic probation - Chicago is the way to go.
not looking, we have enough of our own problems to solve
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 23:25 — AngelaWNo worries
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 23:44 — Solon77Community schools will fix it all, just like in Chicago, CMS, and heck 99% of the country :)
You do realize that we are
Sat, 09/18/2010 - 10:38 — woodstockYou do realize that we are talking about an student assignment model, right? There are other things schools systems do besides assigning students ...just want to make that clear as you go on with your sarcastic and mindless rants.
Chicago has a controlled
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 23:47 — jenmanChicago has a controlled choice model, don't they?
Starts with
Sat, 09/18/2010 - 00:18 — Solon77It starts with the Neighborhood school and you can apply to magnet, charter, classical, contract or other. I do not know the algorithim that is used to control the choice.
CHARLTOTE -- Big business
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 07:40 — AngelaWCHARLTOTE -- Big business and community leaders are stepping in to help Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools as CMS board leaders decide how to tackle dozens of troubled schools. The CMS Investment Study Group is pooling their money together to close CMS's achievement gap.
It's made up of big named corporations like Duke Energy and Spangler Foundation, as well as Bank of America and Wachovia-Wells Fargo, in addition to private donors. The goal is to close the district's achievement gap, boost student performance and the graduation rate. How they're going to achieve those goals are still in the planning stages, but they're going to work very closely with district leaders to do that.
The group is expected to meet Wednesday to discuss the matter. Meanwhile the CMS board will meet Thursday to tackle another big issue: what to do about a list of 32 trouble schools.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/school_news/630104/local-businesses-form-group-to-help-cms
Thank you for posting the links Angela
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 18:01 — ConcernedParentThank you for adding the links to your useful posts!
Interesting! Sounds like
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 07:44 — carson79Interesting! Sounds like Charlotte's version of WEP is working on helping those schools. I wonder what their recommendations will be. The area has been hurting so much with job losses in the financial services area and generally mediocre to bad reputation of all but a few of the schools (my impression). I don't know anyone looking to move to Charlotte. I bet we'll see them make a PR push to improve CMS image just like Guilford tried to do 4 years ago - a billboard is just a billboard if all but 3 of your schools are not good...
Interesting. Hopefully they
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 08:51 — loriacInteresting. Hopefully they will help add to class content, perhaps provide teachers or extra teacher training. For example, IBM has a program to support those who want to teach after leaving IBM, by helping to pay for their training. Contrast this with WEP spending money outside of the BOE planning process. If WEP really cared to partner, they might offer that money for special programs for kids, class supplies.
Controlled Choice
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 00:24 — jeffrey1A small primer on controlled choice:
http://www.ericdigests.org/1992-4/choice.htm
Of note:
HOW MUCH CHOICE DOES CONTROLLED CHOICE OFFER?
Most controlled-choice districts assign about 85 percent of students to one of their first two choices (75 percent first, 10 percent second) (Alves, personal communication) and 90 percent to one of their choices (Glenn), leaving about 10 percent attending schools they did not choose.
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However, most critics of controlled choice agree with Thernstrom (1991), who argues that "there is too little choice in controlled choice" and that any and all "involuntary assignments are indefensible."
IMO, Wake County residents will never put up with a controlled choice plan where only 75% get their first choice.
"IMO, Wake County residents
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 11:54 — danofnc"IMO, Wake County residents will never put up with a controlled choice plan where only 75% get their first choice."
There aren't any promises that Wake County's percentages will be any higher.
If we assume that ES average 600 kids, then a zone with 5 ES schools would have ~3000 kids. What if 1500 people picked the same school? What if another 1000 had that school as their second choice?
Based on the most recent maps, the ES in my zone would range from about 5-7 minutes away for the closest to about 10 minutes away for the farthest. A new family could easily select any of the choices.
Regarding assignment, we
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 07:48 — CaryCurmudgeonRegarding assignment, we didn't vote for "controlled choice." We voted for reasonable assurance that our kids would go to school close to home, unless we chose to send them to a magnet school.
We also voted for assurance
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 08:07 — jenmanWe also voted for assurance that our kids wouldn't be moved arbitrarily for diversity purposes.
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Fri, 09/17/2010 - 06:50 — SideburnsIMO, Wake County residents will never put up with a controlled choice plan that prioritizes choice based on one's test scores.
Replacing the word -- whether it's race, income or now test scores -- does not change the results.
Goldman is 'thrilled' that Alves is coming back
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 16:58 — jeannie84From The Independent
Wake school wars: Alves will return, and Goldman is listening (i.e., some good news)
Posted by Bob Geary on Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:20 PM
The take-home from this morning's press conference on Wake school issues: First, the business community — the Greater Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and the Wake Education Partnership — is bringing Michael Alves back into the process of creating a new student assignment plan for the schools; and second, Wake school board vice chair Debra Goldman attended, welcomed Alves' return and used the word "compromise" in discussing what she hopes Alves will help to accomplish.
Both are good news.
[Update: By popular demand, I will attempt to answer briefly the question: What did Goldman say?
She said: She's "thrilled" the Chamber and WEP are bringing Alves back. Student assignment issues are complicated, and it's "vitally important" that student achievement be added to the mix of factors the board will use to draw assignment zones. She doesn't think the board majority will ever again adopt a "number" for diversity — e.g., the old goal of no more than 40 percent of students in any school eligible for the F&R (free and reduced) lunch program — but she'll be pleased if Alves can find a way to "encompass" diversity while also fulfilling the board majority's goals of proximity, choice and stability.
She supports the work of the Student Assignment Committee, she said, but just as she's been saying about hiring a new superintendent, it's never wrong to hire "a professional to do a professional job." (John Tedesco can make of that what he will.)
Goldman said she talked with Alves at length when he was here, and while she didn't agree with everything he said, she liked what she heard overall. "I believe that bringing some different views will help come up with a compromise," she said. At another point, she seemed to agree with Alves that the fewer zones, the better: "I believe that the less we divide up the county, the better off we will be," she said.
"I want to be very clear," Goldman said. "I do not support creating more high-poverty schools. I do not support segregation of any shape or form. I do not support crowded classrooms of students who are not getting the support they deserve."
Goldman emphasized that she was speaking only for herself, not the board majority. She raised one big question about the scheme that Tedesco's committee seemed to like, which has no base schools for anyone, only a "menu" idea under which parents would list the schools they want and get one of them — probably.
"When I look at this, quite frankly, from a birds-eye view, I wonder," Goldman said, "why do we need to completely reinvent the [student assignment] plan? Why can't we stick with what's good, make it better, make those improvements [meaning more stability] and solve some problems and issues and get back to focusing on student achievement ...?
"If I had my dream come true for this plan, every child would have a base assignment, a true calendar option, opportunities to apply to a magnet system as it exists or as closely as possible to the way it exists now, and perhaps we look more closely at a transfer policy" — allowing easier transfers to schools with empty seats.]
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Alves, you'll recall, is the guru of "controlled choice" plans who visited in July, courtesy of the Chamber and WEP. He told us that assignment zones of the kind sought by the new Wake school board majority could be drawn up to achieve greater stability in student assignments without necessarily resulting in "have" and "have-not" zones — but not unless the board majority pays close attention to the critical issues of fairness, balance and diversity across zones.
Board Chair Ron Margiotta quicky dismissed Alves' point, saying the majority would focus on its desire for neighborhood schools and just trust that the outcome will be fair — it'll be fair to his suburban constituents, anyway, is what he might as well have said. And shortly, John Tedesco, who chairs the student assignment committee, rolled out a scheme — it doesn't rise to the level of an actual plan — that appeared on its face to be anything but fair.
But Tedesco called for community input, and the Chamber and WEP are seizing on that opening by paying Alves to draft a controlled-choice plan for Wake over the next 6-8 weeks. Alves is being asked to base his plan on proximity, choice and stability — the school board majority's big-three values — and one more: student achievement.
There's a strong body of opinion, of course, that says diversity in assignments across zones is crucial to achievement for all students — and Goldman was emphatic that she wants to be fair to A-L-L (she spellled it out) students. Alves made it clear when he visited that he shares that view about diversity.
Goldman was the only school board member to attend today's press conference. She said she'll welcome Alves' input, which — not to belabor or overstate the obvious — could force Margiotta and the rest of the Majority Five (Tedesco, Chris Malone, Deborah Prickett) to pay attention. Because without Goldman, they aren't the majority on the deeply divided, 5-4 school board.
Goldman fielded questions afterward and had a good deal to say. I want to listen to her comments again before going on with this so, so — more later; or (since I have other obligations) it may be tomorrow. But for now, I'll say there was a ray of sunshine for diversity supporters who are thrilled to see Alves back in the fray.
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Fri, 09/17/2010 - 20:40 — Sideburns"When I look at this, quite frankly, from a birds-eye view, I wonder," Goldman said, "why do we need to completely reinvent the [student assignment] plan? Why can't we stick with what's good, make it better, make those improvements [meaning more stability] and solve some problems and issues and get back to focusing on student achievement ...?"
What does all THAT mean?
"She supports the work of the Student Assignment Committee, she said, but just as she's been saying about hiring a new superintendent, it's never wrong to hire "a professional to do a professional job." (John Tedesco can make of that what he will.)"
Uh, not very nice. Did she intend to insult Tedesco?
I don't understand Goldman
Fri, 09/17/2010 - 21:11 — woodstockI don't understand Goldman at all. Mostly I think she likes to hear herself talk. Her ridiculous capitulations early on when the diversity insanity could have ended on day one of the new board's tenure is the reason we are still talking it about it today...and folks like Barber, Tyson and Brannon had a the time to mobilize their brainwashed minions. I've concluded she is a.) not very smart b.) not who she presents herself to be or c.) is a media pig who craves the spot light. None of which is condusive to doing what she was elected to do on the board.
Interesting. Thanks for
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 17:16 — jenmanInteresting. Thanks for posting, jeannie.
Struggle to see the issue.
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 14:45 — Dove314Not sure why anyone has any issues with this. No public monies are being used. It meets all the BoE's criteria and apparently adds some. It's not the previous model and the additional criteria relates to student achievement, not economics or ethnicity. It isn't telling anyone else what to do including the BoE. It doesn't commit the BoE to anything in any way. Tedesco and the assignment committee don't have to take this into account at all and will move forward with the plan which will actually be enacted.
Not sure why people think it is bad to get the input of someone with more background and experience in this arena in a non-binding way to the BoE and paid for by private funding. I'm intrigued to see how it will compare to whatever the assignment committee devises.
?
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 14:55 — Bob_SconceWho has an issue? I think it's a waste of money, but it's their money to waste. Maybe in December, when Avies comes out with a byzantine plan that could only have been produced by an academic, it will be worth a laugh.
If they were really interested in contributing, instead of just in pot-stirring, they would have hired him to do this in April. By now, the ship's left.
Exactly
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 15:04 — Dove314It is their money to spend. Having been told to keep an open mind and give people a chance, it's interesting to see the negative perspectives discounting the input of a potential expert in the area.
The BoE's history with
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 18:53 — Andrew95The BoE's history with academic experts isn't a great one. Plenty of experts have spoken for the side of diversity, and some from similar size systems. Tons of research has been done, and the Board has continued to tout that they do not "intend" to create high poverty schools. Very "do as I say, not as I do". Research tells them to take a different approach to improving the system than the one they are currently on, but that does not stop them from stonewalling any sort of compromise from the other side. I learned basically what I needed to know when the diversity policy was struck down, and even a promise to "keep schools below 50% poverty" was voted like every decision that day.
I learned basically what I
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 21:40 — jenmanResearch?
Thu, 09/16/2010 - 21:21 — Bob_SconceI've read a good bit of that research (have you?) and it doesn't show what you think it shows. It's just a bunch of studies that have some vague connection to the issues, which the pro-diversity forces stacked up and dared people to criticize.
None of it shows that busing for socio-economic diversity improves student performance -- it CAN'T because there are so few districts who do it. There's simply no sufficient dataset. And, even if the 'research' did show that, it wouldn't explain why the policy hasn't been effective in Wake County.
I Have
Sat, 09/18/2010 - 16:23 — fiveblindmiceAnd your characterization of it is false.