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Celebrating the election victory

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It looks like he Grand Marquis Ballroom in Garner will be the place to be on Saturday night.

Newly elected school board candidate John Tedesco is organizing a "Victory Ball." He'll be joined at Saturday's celebration by fellow new board members Debra Goldman, Chris Malone and Deborah Prickett.

Before they take office Dec. 1, they'll “celebrate with an evening of dinner, dancing and the cutting of the cake,” according to a flier for the celebration. Tedesco touts that the new board members will be joined by numerous state, county, municipal and regional business leaders.

“Together we will usher in a new era for our children and families,” according to the flier.

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Bob--maybe it was the other

Bob--maybe it was the other learning disability that helped them get the IEP. We used the Psych Ed clinic at NC State for the testing and was given the diagnosis of ADHD, (inattentive but not hyperactive). Our school counselor told us that we were better off getting it done privately because WCPSS would drag its feet.

choiceforall--we did do the SSS review and the verdict was that since it wasn't impacting his grades he couldn't get an IEP. He doesn't have anything other an attention problem so that could be the reason. We've been very lucky that each year his teachers have been wonderful about working with him and us. But I do worry about middle school (he's in 4th grade now) so I'll definitely be checking out that link you posted.

"Victory" sounds rather

"Victory" sounds rather premature considering the many policies that need to be formulated/ revised and implemented. And let's not forget the arduous journey to improve student academic achievement levels.

"And let's not forget the

"And let's not forget the arduous journey to improve student academic achievement levels."

True. But, the journey would not even be possible without the overwhelming VICTORIES on Oct. 6 and Nov. 3.

Question

Question for all the well informed ... my daughter has a friend who appears to have ADD/ADHD?? (my guess). When they study together, the girl's attention span is five seconds max. The girl is smart but the lack of being able to focus is messing her up and holding her back in school. The parents are F&R and have multiple low wage jobs so I doubt they have health insurance.

So, I am wondering if the school system has any programs that deal with this kind of a situation? I don't think there are any more school nurses?? Any thoughts / advice.

Please have your friend

Please have your friend contact the school with her concerns...I would be wary about receiving advice from a strangers on a blog, who do not appear to work in the school system as I do.  At the school level the best people to approach would be the classroom teacher, the school counselor, the school psychologist, or the school social worker. All would be well informed on programs and resources available for the child. I do not want you to have misinformation like some I am seeing here.

To user12345

I'm not really sure to what "misinformation" kather789 is referring, but as a mother of a daughter with ADHD, I would be wary about not becoming self-educated on the topic. My post was based on my own experiences and kather789 does not appear to be a parent of child with ADHD. ADHD, especially in girls, can be a very complicated matter.

 

Based on my experiences with WCPSS, it seems educators and schools in WCPSS are like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're going to get. I will tell that some of my experiences with WCPSS at one school on the matter fall into the "you just can't make this stuff up" category. My conclusion is that there is a reason that there are multiple advocacy agencies out there. If it was as easy as contact the school and all will be well informed on programs and resources, I doubt all those advocacy agencies would exist.

don't fret, I wasn't talking

don't fret, I wasn't talking about your post to begin with. I do feel there are great resources within the schools. School counselors, psychologists, and social workers are fabulous places to start and work very closly with numerous outside agencies. They also are well informed on policies and procedures within the school system, which can help a parent avoid unwarrented expenditures and time. I was just suggesting a good place to start, if a parent feels they are not getting what they are looking for I am all for them looking elsewhere, they are truly their own child's strongest advocate.

I don't know if there are

I don't know if there are any applicable programs, but I can direct you to someone who would likely know:  Kelly Creech, RN.  Try contacting her at kcreech@wcpss.net.

 

I don't know what happened since the staff reductions during the past year.  Before that, there were still school nurses, but not on a one nurse per school basis.  They were shared among a number of  schools.

What age?

Get the book Understanding Girls with ADHD by Kathleen Nadeau so they can educate themselves to be the best possible advocates for their daughter.

From a diagnosis perspective - it needs to be done by a medical doctor or psychiatrist. It seems Triangle Family Services may be a place for them to start. It's a gray science, so the parents who know the child the best need to be educated about the condition to help ensure an accurate diagnosis.

2. Question: To whom does Triangle Family Services provide services?
Answer: Most of the families seeking help at TFS are employed and holding down two or more jobs just to make ends meet. Over 80% of the people we serve in the Triangle live below the poverty level.

3. Question: How has Triangle Family Services' Mental Health Program helped the community?
Answer: Last year, Triangle Family Services helped more than 900 low-income families, children, and individuals receive mental health counseling, psychiatric services and psychological testing by licensed and professional clinicians. Over 75% of families receiving counseling showed significant improvement dealing with every day family situations.

ADHD is one of the things TFS listed among their mental health services.

http://www.tfsnc.org/ 

From a school perspective, there is a process they would have to go through called the IEP (Individualized Education Plan) process in order to get her accomodations. A school counselor should know where to start the process. IF she is ADHD but still at or above grade level, they may be told that she does not qualify for special education services, so they will have to learn to be parent advocates.

This organization has helpful information:

http://www.ecac-parentcenter.org/about/contact.htm

Here's a link to the special education department in wcpss. 

http://www.wcpss.net/special-education/

Hope that helps.

Ditto

Generally, you can get an IEP even if the child is performing at grade level -- often with ADD/ADHD children, the child should actually be performing above grade level, but the learning disability is holding them back.   It's important to get that psychological testing and/or phsyciatric evaluation before approaching the district about an IEP, just because it makes it nearly impossible for them to say no.

The Center for Psychology and Education in Chapel Hill (http://www.cpsyched.com/) can help.  They can be expensive, but might be able to refer your friend to other service providers.

 

 

Bob, I'm interesting in

Bob,

I'm interesting in knowing how you get an IEP if your kid is performing at grade level.  We went through the process for our ADD son and they said he didn't qualify because he was getting 3s and 4s.  They told us that it's not until the child is performing below grade level that they can do anything.

Jenman

If you have a diganosis of a disability you can have an IEP.  While your child may be performing at Grade level there might be other areas where you need stratagies implemented to  help them in their weak areas.  Such as special settings for testing (usually done by a CC Teacher). Preferred seating so on and so forth.  The process requires evaluation from the  psychologist, counslers in this case WCPSS.  The first step is a review from SSS (Student Support Services which is a panel of teachers, counseler, principal, to see whether they feel its necessary for the evaluations to proceed).  From there you tailor make goals, and update those goals annually, for the child.  Sometimes the children have all 3's and 4's but the disability ie ADD/ADHD Autism spectrum, can leave them feeling anxious so writing goals to help them handle their day is important 

I would contact the ECAC and certainly make a good contact/relation with the school Pysch and Principal.

http://www.ecac-parentcenter.org/

 

the diagnosis of a

the diagnosis of a disability does not automatically mean you can have an IEP. If interventions and strategies are in place and the child is making progress then they may not be in need of Special Education. There are many children with different lables and diagnoses who can be successful in the classroom without Special Education services and I think that is wonderful!

kather789

I know its not automatic and you certainly have to jump through hoops to have an IEP, however having said that any good parent who wants the best for their child will certainly advocate for them the best they can within the guidelines and laws that are in place for exceptional children.  In order to have interventions and stratagies you may need to have an IEP in order for Teachers to comply within the guidelines of the law and basicly not have that child fall through the cracks when they occasionaly hit a bump in the road.

If that is the case wouldnt

If that is the case wouldnt an IEP be useful for ALL children?  IEP's are for children in need of specialized instruction supervised by special education teachers. Truly, a very small percentage of children should be in need of specialized instruction, typically these are children well below grade level who even with interventions and strategies in the regular classroom fail to make progress. The "jumping through hoops" you are refering to really is a series of checks and balances to ensure that children receive the level of services they are truly in need of.

IEP/504 Plan

What about a 504 Plan? The process we went through was referred to as the IEP process, but a 504 Plan was discussed and denied as well.  

 

I think there are issues like - "Is a student that absent ADHD is capable of 4s, but getting 3s different from a student that absent ADHD is capable of 3s, but getting 2s?" and "Is a student getting 3s, but struggling emotionally/socially dealing with school and being ADHD to the point they want to quit school in need of accomodations or not?" I call it the AG ADHD catch-22.

 

BTW - we did not request the IEP process. We had a private evaluation done. I contacted the school to inform them of the results. First, the school did not want to meet about my child at all, then I get a call from the school that we HAD to meet and they wanted us to go through the IEP process. What for other than to waste our time when they knew she was at grade level, which was the reason for denial, I will never understand. They didn't conclude anything different than what was already spelled out in the private report. My favorite part was when they said they wanted to "relook" at her in 3rd grade for testing accomodations. Coincidence that 3rd grade is the first year her scores reflect on WCPSS? I think not.

Web site

Are you still working on this issue?  If so, there's a web site you might check out.  I haven't  had much personal experience with special education, except for our son's speech remediation, but the posters seem very knowledgeable and there are good links to resources.  It's at http://millermom.proboards.com/index.cgi

thanks!

We will always be dealing with ADHD issues. K was a disaster then after K things got much better (due in part to the teachers she had, God bless them), however I've kept "the wall" in the back of my mind and now I can start to see her approaching the wall at about 60 mph. I'm realizing it's time to take a deep breath and some how summon the energy to delve into all this again.

Good luck

Good luck.  From what I've read on that web site, there's a lot to learn about the system.  I can believe it because it was kind of surprising how much work it took just to deal with speech (and all our son had wrong was that he couldn't say the "r" sound).  We did get some valuable insight into how the schools work (and sometimes, don't work). 

Traps for the unwary

Getting an IEP is, unfortunately, not always straightforward.  In theory, the district is supposed to help you through the process, but more often than not, that doesn't really happen.  

From what I've gathered, the best approach is to do your research and get all your ducks in a row before approaching the district.  Know what the process is supposed to look like, line up support for the disability, preferably from people who have evaluated the child professionally, and have a decent idea of what should be in the IEP.  You can then use the backup and knowledge to overcome obstacles you meet in dealing with the district.  There are professionals whose job is to advocate for student IEPs in schools.

The process appears to be much easier if you initially go in "loaded for bear" than if you go in unprepared and are turned down.  If they turn you down, they you have to dig yourself out of a hole.

Also

It also may be a good idea to familiarize yourself with the statistics regarding the WCPSS and the outcomes for its students with disabilities.  In 2008-2009, the passing rate for math and reading for Students with Disabilities was 35.7%, for those with a Specific Learning Disability it was 32.6% and for those with an Other Health Impairment (I'm not sure if ADHD is in this category) it was 40.6%.  You can find these and other statistics at http://disag.ncpublicschools.org/2009/.

ADHD falls under Other Health Impaired

ADHD by itself falls under Other Health Impaired. The low pass rates are not suprising to me. I think it goes back to the if your child is at or above grade level, they may not get special education classification.

 

We were denied because my daughter is at or above grade level, so I'm pretty sure that means her test scores will not be counted in the "students with disabilities" bucket eventhough she is ADHD. Interestingly, at the same meeting where we were denied, the WCPSS reps said they would want to reconsider when she hit third grade to see if she needed testing accomodations. Oh really, why would that be? Because then her results will impact the school system maybe? It's all about the children afterall.

Be careful, though...

The disabilities classification includes a wide range and there are a lot who are severely disabled.  Wake county, for example, does quite well with autistic children; not surprisingly, we have a disproportionate number of them.   You can't really measure Wake's performance with those students by their EOG passing rate.

 

True but

do those children fall under the Other Health Impaired subgroup? I do agree though on not measuring too much based on EOGs for students with diabilities.

Getting this second-hand...

The person who I know who did it had their child independently tested by the Center for Psychology in Education over in Chapel Hill, who sent a representative to the IEP meeting.  IIRC, the child was diagnosed as having a learning disability (something other than ADD/ADHD) that impacted his ability to read and write, but which hadn't manifested itself in his grades yet.

You too, huh

Same story here.

worth a try

Did you know that John Tedesco started a program to give low income children free health care? As VP of Big Sisters Big Brothers I bet his organization has come across this before and may be able to point you in the right direction. Seems like the kind of thing he is looking to help solve. Not sure if this is the right place, but seems like one place to inquire. 

Hmm....

Where is the money coming for this event? Sounds like money that could be better used to help our school system. Sounds like the new board is not much better then the old board in the case of these frivolous parties.

I think thy'll get it from

all the money they are going to save from bussing. 

Seriously though, this should not be a WCPSS expense totally paid for by attendees or some other non-public source. 

But I do hope that the money they save from bussing (if they save money as expected) is earmarked for specific programs that increase the learning of ED children - for all the rhetoric of "diversity" champions everyone shares the same goal of increasing the learning i.e. test scores and to stop bussing without helping the children then it will have no impact and the new board will deserve to be called the callous names.  It is a sad fact for America (not just wake county) on how poorly we are educating our children.

It's coming from the

It's coming from the attendees, not from tax dollars which could be put to better use buying paper for the classrooms that are having to do without.

Wow

Again, hypocrites. It doesn't matter where the money is coming from.  Wouldn't that money be better served helping our school system. 

"It doesn't matter?"

"It doesn't matter?" Really? Are you actually suggesting that private citizens cannot spend their own money in a manner of their choosing? Do you donate all your disposable income to the school system? Your rantings have become completely irrational.

 

Your side lost. Deal with it.  BTW, is your real name Jennifer Lanane by any chance?

Set an example

The next time you throw a party for your family and friends with your own money would you kindly report it so that we can investigate what programs in the school system might have better benefitted? Today is a lovely day. Better cancel that BBQ and put it in the WCPSS kittie. After all the money wasted on busing and WEP salaries they need the help. 

Apples and Oranges

This is not a random birthday party.  They are celebrating their victory in the school board elections and not Suzie's graduation.  I'm interested to know if they are using their own funds or leftover campaign funds.  Either way it sounds like excessive waste of money given the economy and the need for school funding.

It amazes me how you people go to the ends of the earth to defend this when you would have attacked it if it was the 'other' side. 

Why aren't you upset over

Why aren't you upset over the receptions held for the 2 newly appointed board members?  They didn't even win an election, yet around $800 of TAXPAYER MONEY was spent on these 2 receptions.  Heavy hors d'oeuvres, cake and punch for BOE members while teachers don't have enough paper.

 

Dare I say it?  Hypocrite! 

Hmm...

I agree completely. That money shouldn't be spent.

I think it's a bad outward image to go off and have a party independent of whose money it is. 

Wow...

You must really hate all the Presidential inagural balls that happen ever four years.  At least WCPSS' budget is balanced  - the feds are spending $1T/year MORE than they take in.

Huh

I don't recall the pro-parent side begrudging a private party held by anti-parent board members. There were so many more important issues at stake. Besides, there's nothing to defend. Using "hypocrite" is more for your own personal emotional needs than for one of clarification.

Your reflexive use of 'hypocrite" leads me to wonder if your day isn't full of verbal convulsive shouts of "Hypocrite!" Someone cuts you off in traffic; "Hypocrite!" You stub your toe; "Hypocrite!" The neighborhood kids hit their baseball into your yard; "Hypocrites!" The English language is rich in vocabulary; check it out!

Hear Ye, Hear Ye

To all private citizens -

Prior to spending any of your private funds on any private functions or uses make sure to clear use of said funds with supportwcpss.

 

Supportwcpss - next weekend I plan to expend some of my private funds on an evening out rather than giving it to WCPSS. Considering I have already donated more than several times the multiple of that to WCPSS this year do I have your permission to spend some of my own private funds as I so chose?

 

Bottom line - the event was not funded by taxpayer or school system funds.

Speaking only for myself (a

Speaking only for myself (a taxpayer with no kids in WCPSS) I have to say, yes, it does in fact matter where the money is coming from.

 

If it's their money funding the party, that is fine by me.  They can spend their own money on parties or schools, whatever they like. 

 

But if it is tax money collected in part from my taxes, which are supposed to be for the school system, then those taxes *should* fund the school system and not parties.

 

So yes, for this taxpayer, and maybe for others with no kids in WCPSS, it does matter very much where the money comes from.

My sympathies to all who

My sympathies to all who have to depend on your intelligence and morals.

WOW II

Wouldn't 75 million + wasted on busing serve a lot of kids?  How about several million wasted on MYR?

sounds like someone didn't get an invitation...

If John wants to throw a party, he's allowed.

BTW - I also hope that there is no cake and punch reception when the new board members take office - now THAT is a waste of money. 

can you say

can you say party!!

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