The school board has just voted 5-4 to remove Broughton High School's International Baccalaureate magnet program.
Rosa Gill, chairwoman of the school board, only votes to break ties. When it became clear that she would have to vote, her decision drew gasps and shock from upset Broughton parents and students.
Also voting to remove the magnet program were Beverley Clark, Patti Head, Ron Margiotta and Lori Millberg. Voting no were Eleanor Goettee, Kevin Hill, Horace Tart and Anne McLaurin.
The school board is planning to take a lunch break before voting on which new school will get the IB program.
UPDATE
Click here for the online story. Asst. Supt. Chuck Dulaney is recommending that Millbrook High get the new IB program.
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FYI
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:24 — RiversideRealistI KNEW that wasn't *YOU*, VoR :)
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Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:43 — Voice_of_Reason_.
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Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:51 — Voice_of_Reason_.
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Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:42 — Voice_of_Reason_.
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Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:39 — Voice_of_Reason_.
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Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:38 — Voice_of_Reason_.
Thanks for realizing
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:36 — Voice_of_Reason_.
It was Bizzaro VoR
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 21:33 — Voice_of_Reason_I would of had to have a brain transplant to make such a comment.
Bizzaro has no idea what a private school is all about. And I would like to see the math on that; must be Trailblazer math.
Um.... yeah...
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:11 — RiversideRealistIf you say so.
No "Can" Do
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 18:32 — RiversideRealistIt won't happen. Because the builders/developers HAVE offered to set aside land, or even BUILD a school, on the condition that students from their subdivision would go to that school. The school board would not give up "assign-ability", and so talks of a builder/county effort died.
Contrast that to where I live (still in NC) and the public elem my daughter is slated to attend was built by the county, on land DONATED by the builder of our subdivision. So it DOES happen.
Goes back to CHANGE the
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 21:16 — shortycanGoes back to CHANGE the BOE get there hands out of the pockets of the politicians and some attorneys..
Seen it work.. Lived it.. Great Consistant Education.. kids moved on to good colleges/universities.. parents got along...
That practice leads to gated
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 19:59 — Voice_of_ReasonsThat practice leads to gated communities with "private" schools when a builder donates the land for a school exclusively for that community. The entire county pays for a school that only a few are allowed to attend.
If that is the "practice,"
Sat, 12/13/2008 - 00:04 — joeciullaIf that is the "practice," why don't you go ahead and provide one example -- that should be easy. My experience is that developers here who have offered land only ask that around 30% of the sites be set aside for neighborhood residents. Which schools in gate communities are you referring to?
Mr. Hui, I'm crying Foul - Spoofer Alert
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:26 — Voice_of_Reason_There is an obvious attempt to discredit me, by someone using a blog name one letter off. Is this what you want the blog to become?
I suspect someone, but you can tell. Thanks.
The poster is using incredibly stupid logic to make an incredibly stupid point.
Who do you think it is? I
Sat, 12/13/2008 - 03:39 — vsheehanWho do you think it is? I say ncdad1
shortycan--do you agree with
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 15:39 — jenmanshortycan--do you agree with the diversity policy?
Hey NYObserver!
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 23:35 — RiversideRealistEither you were right, or you have the power of making your prophecies become self-fulfilling! :-)
Either way, when you said that being opposed to IB would result in name calling and being condescended to, you weren't whistlin' Dixie! ;-)
Regards,
A fellow ex-New Yawka ;-)
Riverside Realist
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 08:07 — ObserverNYIsn't it amazing how an individual who uses the tag "shortycan" is capable of psychoanalyzing me via the Internet? Do you see how nervous the IBelievers get? "Don't listen to her! Don't be sucked into her arguments!" I get the impression they're holding up crosses and garlic to keep me away. Don't worry shortycan, NCMom and Bob_Sconce. I won't suck your blood.
It's always good to identify early on which posters were Kool Aid recipients....... and then promptly ignore them. ;-)
OBserever
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 09:48 — shortycanOk.. If you are psychoacnalyzing, lets take a look at your posts and your determination to show your absolute ignorance and dont get me started on your own "Cultish Crusade" You have already been called out by several people who know your work..You are not from this area and have no vested interest here in NC.
A loon who calls herself a so called religious conservtive propagandist, you take credit for a website regarding the Upper St Clair IB Issue, it maligns the facts of Pro IB,it is obvious you are on your own "Cross holding Garlic hanging" crusade.. you are small minded believing that IB is seeking to overthrow the goverment inteneded to bring this idea of marxism to the class room, you seek out other blogs in other districts to post your purported costs of IB and how they are wasting money in order to bait posts into your own militant views...Who needs the psychoanalyzing now?
Go away
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 12:47 — SDR256Could you two (NYObserver and Shortycan) please take your food fight elsewhere? We have our own problems and, quite frankly, you're not helping. Thanks for the shared info about IB, but many of us believe that this is only one deck chair being pushed around on the Titanic. We need a whole new boat.
Your all morons.. I do live
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 15:37 — shortycanYour all morons.. I do live ITB as you call it..I hear both sides of this whether I want to or not..I am a conservative that does not believe in the ultra extreme right wing beliefs
I know the problems here.. It is quite simple really.. find a BOE that does not have politcal ties restructure your system
CHarge the builders to pay for new schools or set land aside when they build
Ok
Sat, 12/13/2008 - 18:02 — SDR256I take it back, Shortycan, in your case. If you're local I think you have every right to be as vocal as you like. And, actually I agree vehemently with your two points here. My only request is please don't stoke Observer's fires so high. The sparks are very distracting. I don't have a problem with a stranger showing up to the party, but when they want to run the whole conversation its really rude.
(by the way, its YOU'RE all morons - :)
Ask Stan Norwalk about
Sat, 12/13/2008 - 00:06 — joeciullaAsk Stan Norwalk about that. He is a strong supporter of a county-wide APFO for schools -- one of the few things I agree with him about. They now have a democratic majority on the CC's, so there's nothing standing in their way.
Agreed
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 13:54 — Dadof3What SDR said.
SDR256
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 12:56 — ObserverNYI'm pretty sure Shortycan is one of your own. Or, he could be a paid IBO troll who makes it their business to follow me around the Internet, not sure. Either way, I believe we can engage in a respectful dialogue about American public education without the name calling and character assassinations.
I agree with you that a new boat is in order. However, it is my aim to help you to realize that IB is the IceBerg, not a deck chair.
Nothing to do with it..
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 23:47 — shortycanThis is what she wants you to believe she seeks out other schools who are having IB issues and weaves her web, This woman is pursuing her own crusade and if you look at her posts they are all the same, she accuses others of propoganda however, she believes she is some right winged conservative which believes the IB program is here to undermine the education process..she focuses on and seeks out blogs in other areas to post her views and how they are wasting taxpayers time and money. She goes by the name of lisa on the Washington Post. She is nothing but a crazy loon dont buy into her rhetoric...
Get shorty
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 08:06 — Dadof3Shortycan -- I'm unfamiliar with your name here, which seemed to trail in with ObserverNY, almost as if you're her cosmic anti-matter. What's up with that?
As a religious right-wing conservative, (<<shudder>>) I still say that in our context, IB remains a red herring but I'm scanning, if barely reading, a lot of electrons being spilt over the IB program which is largely an imported imbroglio. ObserverNY remains free to write why I'm wrong, and Shortycan remains free to call ONY all nasty things but I'll simply read past the noise.
Stay on point: Break up WCPSS. The resultantly smaller, more successful, more efficient, and more representative school districts can duke out the IB matter.
dad of 3
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 10:04 — shortycanI too am a conservative.. I suppose my extensive travels and education keeps an open mind. Regrettably Observer seeked me out and anyone who speaks of the IB program.
We have a choice, schools here either offer AP or IB, regardless of the class the teachers are teaching the same classes in our school, so to assume that they are teaching some marxist ideology (according to Observer) is absurd.
I do agree I believe there needs to be a change in the BOE, I have never seen such change in a system. There are too many other issues that need to be addressed... BHS has been an exemplary school I have seen the numbers, I also believe that schools can be neighborhood schools, bringing up the standards to BHS to ALL schools. As someone pointed out , census do not come out except for every10 yrs, and the only way to change is when this is done...2010
Kick the can
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 10:02 — Voice_of_Reason_It's almost like he's part of one of those groups that hire bloggers to counter things against their ideology. A lot were out there this past election cycle and they were well organized.
Anyway, I am against magnets -- Period. If somebody wants IB, put it in a charter or private school. IMHO magnet schools are designed to keep the more affluent upper middle class in the inner city (indirectly helping the upper class by raising property values). They let school systems avoid true reform in inner city schools. They are not designed to help poverty and they are expensive "pseudo private schools." I am disappointed we are starting another IB school at Millbrook, I would rather see the money used other ways.
If you doubt me, just look at the people fighting for Broughton, I wonder how many F&R's were in that group? And then look at those fighting against the magnet status, those that were the most vocal that lived in the old base. A picture is worth a thousand words, in this case even a mental picture. And magnets do what for us again?... they sure don't bring a community together, rich or poor.
Observer, check your mail.
"They let school systems
Sun, 12/14/2008 - 12:18 — ncdad1"They let school systems avoid true reform in inner city schools. They are not designed to help poverty and they are expensive "pseudo private schools."
I would probably tend to agree with you. I am guessing no one has come up with that "magic bullet" and that what we have (Magnets and mixing) is all our society can agree to at this time.
As you mentioned the F&R are outgunned and under represented in these sectional arguements.
"they sure don't bring a community together, rich or poor. " ... I was surprised that you mentioned that ..sound a little liberal? :-)
Dadof3
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 08:12 — ObserverNYas if you're her cosmic anti-matter
ROTFLMAO! Very good Dadof3! I've tended to pick up a lot of space debris in my anti-IB journey. ;-)
Observer
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 20:29 — JGSSorry, I misunderstood your question. Yes, teachers have tenure here. There are a few examples here and there of why I wish that weren't so.
Yay!!!!!!!!!
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 16:09 — NHOne down, and about 650 more to go.
I agree with ObserverNY:
"IB is the biggest scam being perpetrated on American education today."
Nothing like paying for junk learning and your own demise!
- 35 Year Teacher
actually.........
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 16:43 — ObserverNYonly 614 more to go! ;-)
NY Observer
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 14:19 — JGSYes, the BHS IB teachers teach honors, AP AND IB. I guess by asking me if I'm tenured, you're implying I'm a teacher - I'm not, I'm a parent of an IB student.
JGS
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 16:48 — ObserverNYI believe I posed my question in a general, not personal manner, as in "do teachers get tenure in NC?" I just learned recently that teachers in Texas do NOT have tenure, and this was a surprise to me.
My reason for asking was because a few posters were indicating that now that IB is out of Broughton, the IB teachers will probably up and leave WC altogether. In this economic climate, I find that highly unlikely. Furthermore, if the district still needs IB certified teachers in another school within the district boundaries, it seems to me that the teachers' union would have a pretty good case to argue against loss of the positions due to attrition.
FYI- No Teachers Union here
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 17:09 — Voice_of_Reason_Teacher salaries are legislated and there is no union representation for teachers in NC. All teachers must be certified for the grade and subject.
VOR there is a Union they
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 08:05 — vsheehanVOR there is a Union they call it an Association but its a Union. If you ever get in trouble the only person WCPSS will allow to speak to you is a rep from the Association. Can't call a lawyer, only a rep of the Assoc. and only if your a member. Yes, it does not have automatic rights to negotiate salaries but there is a union.
Yes I knew about the association
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 09:11 — Voice_of_Reason_I figured since they didn't have a right to strike or negotiate salaries, they really weren't a viable "union". It actually serves the WCPSS and others to have such an organization. Of course, I think all this will change shortly next year when the new congress and administration takes over.
tenure but no Union
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 16:53 — AngelaWper se
Interesting
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 17:01 — ObserverNYI learn something new every day. The teachers union is incredibly powerful in my neck of the woods. Is tenure granted after 3 years?
yeah who knew? In the NE, Teacher's Unions have lots of
Thu, 12/11/2008 - 17:03 — AngelaWpower, here they dont' exist....
tenure might be after 5 years. anyone? I cannot recall exactly....
3 years as long as you have
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 08:07 — vsheehan3 years as long as you have not taken any long term leave during that time. You also can not have anything negative in your file or it will take longer.
I am a current Broughton
Wed, 12/10/2008 - 23:23 — bhsI am a current Broughton High School student. I have been a magnet student since the 2nd grade and can honestly say that with the magnet program there are so many more opportunities for us as students. I know i not only speak for myself but my for my fellow classmates when I say that I truly love BHS more than anything. I haven't wanted to go there since kindergarten. Both of my brothers have already graduated from BHS and because of the education they received both got in great colleges; UNC Chapel Hill and NC State. Broughton isn't just a school full of different cliques like it is known for... our school is all one big family. Since my first day walking through the halls as a Broughton student have I once felt uncomfortable or like I had no one to turn to. Our teachers are amazing. Our magnet and IB program gave us the opportunity to take many different foreign languages, electives and high level classes. It provided a challenge that we need as students to be ready for world we face after getting our BHS diploma.
If you watched any of the news about the whole situation I'm sure you saw all the students, faculty and parents rallying Tuesday night to save our school. I was one of those students. Without this program there is no way Broughton will remain as strong as it is now. These parents that fought to get rid of the magnet & IB so they could send their children to Broughton don't understand is it will not be the school it is now. One of parents said that we only wanted to go to BHS because it is "Broughton". Well apparently thats why they want to go there... because it won't be "Broughton" anymore. Since we are losing our magnet status all of our magnet teachers have no choice but to leave. Those IB teachers are some of the best teachers Broughton has. The other half of the teachers are already looking for another job because they know that there is no way BHS will be able to be this strong anymore. We are losing a large amount of our classes such as some of the dance classes, video production (which does our WCAP news every morning) and many others. There won't be an opportunity for us to have nearly as many clubs as we do now which help to give the students a place to fit in.
What the board members and the parents that were fighting to get rid of the magnet status do not understand is that Broughton will not be the same. They can say it all they want but it won't be. Those parents will see this over time and will end up sending there kids off to private schools anyways and this will have all been for nothing. No one cares about this more than the Broughton students such as myself. If only they would listen to the students who actually attend Broughton and who have graduated from there. We know better than anyone what is best for ourselves because we are actually experiencing it. The board members think they know but they don't. Even if we don't do the IB program in 11th and 12th grade we still benefit from it. The magnet IB teachers teach us as well and they treat us just as they do their IB students because they believe that we all are capable.
You can not easily move a magnet program from one school to another. Without the commitment from the students and faculty it will never work. That is what you have at Broughton; commitment. I am a cheerleader at BHS and all of us even skipped half of practice in order to be at the rally yesterday and today many students were even at the meeting.
In conclusion Broughton needs magnet to survive and stay an example for other schools.
Stay strong
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 12:36 — SDR256BHS -
Don't listen to those old cynics. Yes, its true that the current system is toxic. Yes, its true that many are being run over by it. But, by golly, if some who are as blessed and idealistic as you and your BHS rally-mates can't feel empowered to try to make a difference, then where are we in this old world? STAND UP as you have been. Don't back down. Some famous person once said (I think it was Abe Lincoln?) "You don't help the weak by tearing down the strong". This is what I think the BOE is doing across the county. They might change your school, but don't let them change YOU.
Here is an idea. You are IB students. I have to imagine that you have tools (and resources) that are unique. Use them to figure out how to dismantle and replace this broken system. Get one of those brilliant star teachers to act as your advisor. It will be a very valuable political science exercise. How about getting NC or at least Wake County to recognize a Student's Bill of Rights? Its been done else where. See this link, and look at Point #10 for ideas. Do a search on Students Bill of Rights, you'll find lots of variations. Set some rights RIGHT for you!
http://www.idea.gseis.ucla.edu/resources/billofrights/
I think they have totally railroaded you, along with many many other students of all callibre int his county and are doing a great disservice EQUAL across Wake County. (Famous NYTimes article from a former Cuban citizen stated that by the time Castro had provided equal education to all, it was worth nothing. That is what is happening here, I fear) So one of these posters is right - you have to take the outrage of your current situation and turn it into something positive for all. It can be done. All it takes is a few irate, committed justice seekers to make a difference. Study the American Revolution and you'll see that they never should have won - but they did. ;)
Keep up the good work. BTW - blogging only exhausts you and you have to deal with a lot of toxins. My advice would be to focus your energies on productive action, not talk. Too much talk has been blown at this topic already.
Good luck honey.
ralph
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:11 — vsheehanralph
The philosophy I agree with - BUT
Fri, 12/12/2008 - 13:37 — Voice_of_Reason_You must remember this is a school that gives priority to children living in a certain area, and the rest is give via lottery. It drain away precious $$ away from other schools. If the school was on a merit based entry criterea you point would be valid, but in this case it is not. I am not debating the merits of this program, only the merits of the lack of earned access. This type of school belongs in a Charter, not the primary public school system. This is not about equal education for all, it's about equal access for all.
Get a bucket
Sat, 12/13/2008 - 12:33 — SDR256Ralph if you want - get yourself a bucket. I don't care what characterization you may have for BHS. It doesn't give any of you the right to do a 'dog pile' on this student. Shame on you. Are you parents? If this were a child from another kind of school, would you feel so free to attack them?
I was RALFing you. God
Sat, 12/13/2008 - 12:45 — vsheehanI was RALFing you. God, could you lay it on any thicker? We did not dogpile but responded exactly like we would to anyone else. My original comment to the student was not as server as it could have been.
I copied it below
Yes, that sounds great to bad my kids can’t get the same education in the same county. Magnets are meant to increase social economic diversity in high F&R schools. The BOE decided that all non magnet schools would not have any unique classes only the basics. BS ‘s population has a lower F%R then our base HS but Broughton gets the better classes? Millbrook is a school with the correct population mix to have a magnet. I can swallow the fact Millbrook students will have better classes then our base HS because they need it more. BH does not.
You and other students would not be missing out as the IB isn’t going away just somewhere else. If you were in 6th grade now you would be able to go to the IB at Millbrook.
So you and other students are losing nothing. Those strong teachers, who were at BS for the IB, will be welcomed at Millbrook with open arms.