Is Leesville Road Middle School a safer place since it was converted to a year-round calendar in July?
That's an argument made in a press release Tuesday by BiggerPicture4Wake and at Tuesday's CEM meeting by supporters of keeping Leesville Middle on a year-round calendar. BiggerPicture says that "incidences of violent behavior and school suspensions have dramatically decreased" since conversion.
For instance, BiggerPicture says Leesville Middle recorded 370 suspensions involving 188 students during the 2008-09 school year. But since July 1, the group says there have been 90 suspensions involving 62 students.
“If the Board of Education is truly focused on improving the County’s graduation rate, they should be paying close attention to what’s happening at LRMS. This is a solid example of how the year-round calendar can be used to improve academic achievement,” said Marguerite LeBlanc, a co-founder of BiggerPicture in the press release.
The group got the data for this school year after making a public records request to the district.
Here's the group's press release:
Year-round calendar credited for dramatic decrease in discipline issues at Leesville Road Middle School
RALEIGH, N.C. – Feb. 23, 2010 – Incidences of violent behavior and school suspensions have dramatically decreased at Leesville Road Middle School since the school converted to a year-round schedule for the 2009-2010 school year.
According to the 2008-2009 WCPSS Healthy Schools Report, LRMS recorded 370 suspensions involving 188 students. In contrast, since the year-round conversion, there have been 90 suspensions involving 62 students reported between July 1, 2009 and Jan. 19, 2010.
School officials credit the year-round schedule for the improvement. They say the multi-track, year-round schedule has enabled them to better identify students who are at higher risk for discipline issues and proactively work one-on-one with them to avoid incidences that could lead to suspension.
LRMS staff are using the year-round calendar as a tool to improve the school’s learning environment, according to Marguerite LeBlanc, co-founder of BiggerPicture4Wake.
As noted in a recent report from the News & Observer (“State ranks No. 4 in school suspensions,” Dec. 13, 2009), school suspension increases the likelihood that students will drop out of school.
“If the Board of Education is truly focused on improving the County’s graduation rate, they should be paying close attention to what’s happening at LRMS. This is a solid example of how the year-round calendar can be used to improve academic achievement,” LeBlanc said.
LeBlanc notes that the decrease in violence and discipline issues at LRMS creates an atmosphere that is more conducive to teaching and learning. “In the recent teacher survey about school calendar, requested by the Board of Education, staff (62%) overwhelmingly voted to retain the year-round calendar at LRMS. No doubt the dramatic decrease in discipline issues influenced their opinions,” LeBlanc said. In addition, 64.7% said they prefer to work at a year-round school.
Only 40 percent of LRMS’s 1,252 enrollment completed the school calendar survey. Among the 505 parents who responded, 304 (60 percent) said they would prefer a traditional schedule for their child’s school. However, 54.9% reported they were either “satisfied” or “very satisfied” with LRMS on a year-round calendar.
“Perhaps parents value a safer and more positive learning environment for their children over a particular school calendar,” LeBlanc noted.
BiggerPicture4Wake plans to share the LRMS discipline information with the Wake County Board of Education members as the BOE continues to evaluate the pros and cons of the year-round calendar at LRMS and Leesville Road Elementary School.
“It is our hope that the BOE will give year-round a chance at LRMS and avoid disrupting a calendar that is obviously working well for the school’s students and teachers,” LeBlanc said.
A Community Engagement Meeting will take place tonight, Feb. 23, at Leesville Road High School, from 6:30 to 9:00 p.m. The public is invited to attend.



Comments
Direct From The LRMS Principal
Fri, 02/26/2010 - 10:15 — Lisa_BHi Everyone: I have been away from "Blog World" for various reasons, but after receiving a few emails yesterday asking about the truth regarding LRMS' incidents and YR, I decided to take a trip back to the blogs. I see that not much has changed. Please bear with me while I relay information I received last night.
Bottom line, there is NO correlation between the drop in disciplinary incidents at LRMS and the YR calendar actually making those incidents decrease. THE YEAR ROUND CALENDAR ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT ON STUDENT BEHAVIOR.
I actually have a long-term relationship with a student who is one of the most "frequent offenders" at LRMS, so I probably ask more general questions about discipline problems at LRMS than most people do. The fact that fewer incidents have been reported at LRMS this year is certainly not "breaking news". BUT, there are reasons for that.
When I heard a few speakers on Tuesday attempt to credit the year-round calendar for positively affecting student behavior and making the school a safer place, all I could do was shake my head and think "WOW, I am amazed that someone would even TRY to connect the two". I didn't even give it another thought until I started getting e-mails from people yesterday asking me to read the blogs and to get some official clarification on this.
To be honest, the excitement and energy in our community is at a HIGH in anticipation of the conversion reversals, and I have had more important things on my plate than disproving an inaccurate claim. However, last night I had the chance to speak with our Principal, so the timing worked out.
I told her what had been said, and asked her for some clarification. (and yes, she was at the meeting but I don't think the APs were)
There are a few things going on at LRMS that explain the decrease, but the decrease is NOT because the school is operating year-round instead of traditional. First of all, having fewer students in the school at one time allows administrators to spend more time getting to know all students, including the "trouble makers". That would be the case at ANY school with fewer students, and is not something that happens "just because the school is year-round". The administrators did take time at the beginning of the year to sit down and discuss student placements, but they do this every summer before a new school year starts regardless of the calendar. (track assignments for YR, team assignments for traditional) They identified certain kids who had previously had conflicts with certain other kids, and made sure to split them up onto different tracks. BUT, previously when we were on the traditional calendar, they have just put them onto different academic teams to alleviate potential conflicts.
Suspensions have decreased --THAT is true. One very important factor that Mrs. Hamler brought up is that they HAVE discouraged staff from reporting every incident this year. They HAVE put it on the staff members to handle situations that in the past WERE reported and required administrators to intervene. Unless it is something where intervention is absolutely necessary, staff members are now expected to handle discipline themselves. She confirmed that this was NOT done in the past, and it IS a change this year. Evidently, in the past, administrators were called to a class when a student was tardy. Kids are NOT suddenly "acting better" just because of the year-round calendar, and crediting year-round for making LRMS a "safer place" is completely misleading.
She also said that anyone who claims that test scores have improved OR the year-round calendar at LRMS has increased academic achievement is lying. They have NOT reported any test scores this year, so it is all fabricated.
In the end, we are fortunate to have very involved administrators and a wonderful resource officer who are all working together to keep behavior under control and dangerous situations to a minimum. This would be occuring traditional OR YR.
This information is
Fri, 02/26/2010 - 11:05 — changewcpssThis information is important and is now buried under other toplisted topics. Please post this at a current blog location.
Has anyone given credit to the teachers and administration??
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 08:45 — midtownmomEveryone from the principal to the office staff, to the counselors, to the teaching staff, to the fact that the reports are over a 12 month period rather than a nine month period - those account for the change. LRMS has a very dedicated administration who works very hard for the kids. I don't have the actual facts, but doubt very serious the year round calendar has anything to do with a change.
Please insist that these
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 08:20 — WCTeachrPlease insist that these women publicly apologize for the lies they have formulated. Please interview our Principals for the truth. The women who lied Tuesday have absolutely no idea what is going on in our school. They do not have children at LRMS. Discipline issues go unreported but are still occuring. Having fewer students in school at one time means fewer incidents at a given time but it was disgusting to hear those lies. Teachers are charged with handling all we can before bringing in admin. The new schedule is doing nothing to decrease incidents. It is dishonest for those women to use their lies to justify something that is not working.
YOU GO! WCTeacher.I am
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 19:44 — aquaman4life68YOU GO! WCTeacher.
I am sure there are many issues that go unreported. I have heard from teachers I know, say that their school is looking over some of the issues to make that program PBS?!?! look like it is working as well? I don't know much about it, so I can't say if it is good or bad. HOWEVER, I am sure, the county is doing all it can to make the schools make that program look like it is working. I am referring to elementary schools with PBS...not sure if middle and high use this?
You make a fair request.
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 11:19 — changewcpssYou make a fair request. Mr. Hui could you please request these people to provide documentation or fess up about their lies? I have seen some spin but this is deplorable.
...
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 21:45 — SideburnsFrom the press release:
Keung,
Can you link this report? I can't find it on the WCPSS website.
A number cruncher requests raw data......
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 21:05 — Apexter"For instance, BiggerPicture says Leesville Middle recorded 370 suspensions involving 188 students during the 2008-09 school year. But since July 1, the group says there have been 90 suspensions involving 62 students."
As someone who crunches numbers a lot, I have a few questions about the data.
1. It appears that the 370 suspensions for the 08-09 school year covered the whole 12 month period. How long a period was included in the 90 suspensions shown for this year? As a guess, I would suspect that this covered at most the first 6 months of the year; this would have to be very fresh data if they already included January reports (for a 7 month total.) While it appears there has indeed been a decrease in the rate, it would be far more credible if they reported the rates for the two years over equivalent time periods.
2. Is there data for other schools? It would be meaningful to know if other schools saw reductions, gains, or no change. For instance, since the issue of suspensions has been receiving a lot of scrutiny system-wide, it would be instructive to see what is happening elsewhere.
3. Are there other issues that could be at play? Someone else pointed out that the school might have lost an ISS teacher. If that is true, it seems to me that a reduction in in-school suspensions would be most directly related to that fact, and have little or nothing to do with the calendar.
4. Since this data all comes from, at most, the first 6 or 7 months of the school year, it strains credulity a bit to think that staff having a better grasp on the students could have been an issue at all until after at least a few months of operation.
5. I understand that there are fewer students attending the school this year than last. That being the case, it would probably be more correct to compare the number of suspensions on a per capita basis.
OH gosh! My stomach hurts
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 18:39 — aquaman4life68OH gosh! My stomach hurts from laughing so much to this claim!!!
I am sure the families at
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 11:25 — changewcpssI am sure the families at Leesville Road are not laughing about these lies, but I too am laughing about how ridiculous these claims are.
Did you laugh as hard at this
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 19:21 — g88ky07per Carol Love and supporters of Del's so called Army,
" A few hours after I posted my petition objecting the way this board is doing things, there was a prowler at my house. Given that Tedesco said he's HAPPY to be called a bully, I really can't put anything past them. If you think the way they are doing things is wrong, please sign the petition."
I'm still laughing, but those representing aren't!
g88 ... what not to be happy
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 20:08 — user12345g88 ... what not to be happy about is that the newbies have invited thousands of new people into the opposition which was unorganized before ...
Newbies who lie about
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 08:27 — WCTeachrNewbies who lie about something so important are a disgrace to our community and disrespectful to all who are working hard for the children.
Our newbies are parents with
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 10:44 — changewcpssOur newbies are parents with only children in elementary school so they have not dealt with having children on different calendars. They like year round now but at least they are not making up lies like the Leesville Road people.
Let me guess. The liars are the Little Picture 4 Wake County gaggle. Did that incoherent scattered hat & scarf lady show up to blabber on Tuesday?
I am not sure who hat and
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 12:18 — Gr8SchoolsI am not sure who hat and scarf lady is but there were some unprepared and confused speakers supporting YR. One woman made a scene as she wasted everyone's time, fumbled up to the podium with some type of oversized picture frame and proceeded to make random statements and rambled without clear intent. It sounded as though she was reading from a script that had chunks missing from each sentence.
one and the same
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 19:53 — AngelaWone and the same
That must have been a long 2
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 21:53 — changewcpssThat must have been a long 2 minutes. I have endured 3 minutes of her jibberish at Wake Forest Road before.
Unsubstantiated claims must
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 07:36 — woodstockUnsubstantiated claims must be on sale this week.
Question for Keung
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:09 — KnightdaleParentSince this was a public records request, can you contact Bigger Picture and post the data they received from WCPSS so we can all review it. Just presenting their "take" on the data makes a poor argument.
Great question. Enough of
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:29 — changewcpssGreat question. Enough of spewing garbage and pretending you have facts. Looking forward to hearing about this new innovative way of raising achievement with a year round calendar.
Those Little Picture 4 Wake
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:06 — changewcpssThose Little Picture 4 Wake Co people are coming across as more ignorant than ever.
Exactly how can the year-round calendar be used to improve academic success?
Have the test scores at Leesville Road Middle improved dramatically since MYR?
Research on YR schools
Sun, 02/28/2010 - 14:29 — earlyeducatorPacing of curriculum and shorter breaks resulting in less review of material are factors in increased academic achievement in YR schools.
Below is the link to a study describing factors that contribute to increased academic achievement at year-round schools. I read a lot of research and I am aware that there are flaws in every study, but my point in providing this link is to encourage those of you with questions to take the 30 seconds it took me to find this study and research the issues and post with some educated authority. Nearly every initiative used in educational settings has been researched.
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=Academic+effects+of+year-round+school&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&_pageLabel=ERICSearchResult&newSearch=true&rnd=1267382316818&searchtype=basic
Nice try but the YR is not multi-track
Sun, 02/28/2010 - 20:48 — Voice_of_Reason_Compare apples with apples.
I don't know if an immediate
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:21 — red_balloonI don't know if an immediate increase in test scores can be demonstrated. However, it can be argued that decreasing the number and durations of suspensions aids in improving academic achievement i.e., an eventual benefit is plausible. Thus, it would be interesting to get the answers to the questions raised in various posts here.
I Would Agree That Suspensions Would Be Huge....but
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:41 — JanisTangowhat are the other pieces of data that shows a direct correlation between the two? Did the entire student population stay the same? Did the students that were suspended before all of a sudden stop the behavior because they were on the year round calendar? If so, why? Is it really because of the year round calendar. I think if there is any merit to this point it should be studied further.
I think if there is any
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:58 — red_balloonI think if there is any merit to this point it should be studied
further.
Exactly. It warrants further analysis but anything beyond that is premature at this stage. I am curious though as to how only BP4W was privy to these statistics up until yesterday.
Because The Made Them Up!
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 21:14 — JanisTangoMy school will not talk about student disciplinary actions period. The kids sometimes know when someone has been suspended, but even then it's 'gossip'. Do they talk about student disciplinary actions at the middle school level? Are there reports that are produced so you can see the statistics of your school? Just asking!
I don't know where you get
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 22:18 — jenmanI don't know where you get them from but I've seen suspension and 'incident' spreadsheets before. Maybe Keung has posted links to them before?
Can You Post Them Again?
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 10:47 — JanisTangoKeung..I've tried to find these 'incident' spreadsheets. If it's not too much trouble can you post them again or let me know where I can find them.
Thank you!
As you can tell from the
Sun, 02/28/2010 - 23:28 — KeungHui (author)As you can tell from the lateness in the response, I'm behind on catching up on reading post comments. When things get really hectic on the blog I focus on trying to get to the comments on the most recent posts first. I'll have to see what the latest school-by-school suspension data I have.
Information please
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 09:46 — red_balloonSchool officials credit the year-round schedule for the improvement. They say the multi-track, year-round schedule has enabled them to better identify students who are at higher risk for discipline issues and proactively work one-on-one with them to avoid incidences that could lead to suspension.
Keung - I think there would be interest in hearing from the school officials, by way of an interview or a press release, on the details of the suspension statistics by track, demographics by track, nature/ type of incidents, and how the processes for "better identify"and "proactively work" are implemented in YR vs. traditional.
If the decrease in suspensions does have a correlation to calendar choices, then the lessons from LRMS need to be better understood.
Added later: Did Lisa B and other parents in favor of traditional get blindsided by this disclosure? Or was the information provided by the school officials to both sides?
I think the blindsiding was
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 12:35 — Gr8SchoolsI think the blindsiding was hearing the YR supporters use this data to justify something it is not related to. Lisa Boneham knows the administration well so I just emailed her to have her clarify the concerns expressed here. She is busy with a very sick child so I do not know how soon she can respond. I have personally taken my concerns to her regarding plumeting test scores at LMS. Correlating YR calendar and academic achievement is entirely unsubstantiated. I am also concerned about discipline issues that have been unreported. Several teachers I asked have acknowledged that they have been told to handle discipline actions without intervention whenever possible. If intervention is not used they are not reported. Those speakers Tuesday used data in an attempt to prove something it is not related to. I may have mentioned this before, but the people calling themselves Big Picture do not understand the big picture at Leesville at all.
I know exactly what you mean
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 19:52 — aquaman4life68I know exactly what you mean Gr8schools.
Teachers that I know well in several elementary schools, speak a lot about how they are "to handle" things themselves without referrals to the office. The schools are constantly hashing over data/results of all the discipline issues. This has been going on several years now. This was perfectly clear to me...I see your point.
????
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 16:33 — supportwcpssHuh? Are you saying that discipline issues only went unreported this year and not last year?
I agree
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:00 — tsgcoupI would love to know the source of the information as well. As far as I know, not one of the "main" members (including Mrs. LeBlanc) of Bigger picture for Wake has a student at LRMS- where did they get the info? They only have students at LRES. Statistics can be skewed by many factors.
My question.... I have heard that LRMS no longer has an in school suspension teacher this year. The teachers are forced to deal with the disruptive behaviors in their classroom. If this is true, that would definitely cause a drop in referrals because there would be no place to refer them to.
Can anyone shed some light here?
Please explain?
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 09:12 — KnightdaleParent"School officials credit the year-round schedule for the improvement. They say the multi-track, year-round schedule has enabled them to better identify students who are at higher risk for discipline issues and proactively work one-on-one with them to avoid incidences that could lead to suspension."
How does calendar change the ability to identify problems. Are they assigning the "trouble makers" to different tracks?
Time to call these people on
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 10:08 — changewcpssTime to call these people on their foolish statements. Did they segregate all troublemakers to one track? How does that help academic achievement? What has happened with the test scores overall?
Just more attention mongers with no substance.
I don't think intentionally but it does happen
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 12:03 — Voice_of_Reason_In the elementary schools I think you would see the economic diversity mix is not the same on all tracks, in fact it is very disproportionate due to parents being involved or not and LI students opting out. If you consider a higher proportion of "issue" students in the LI group then that might happen. IMHO YR defeated the whole economic diversity concept since you basically created pseudo Title I schools without funding on some tracks. And I don't even buy the osmosis learning concept in the first place.
I don't think that's the point
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 16:09 — pmAnd I don't even buy the osmosis learning concept in the first place.
I don't think that the point of diversity is that FR students learn better by sitting next to a non-FR student.
The idea is that the higher the % of non-FR, the stronger the school will be. The idea being that more affluent parents are not going to stand for nonsense in the school. Those parents will meet with teachers and staff if they see behavioral issues or educational issues. Weak teachers will be called out, poor curriculum will be identified and resources will be questioned.
Further, with higher % of non-FR student body, again the idea is that there will be fewer incidents of discipline. This allows much more time to be spent educating.
So...
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 19:27 — Bob_SconceSo, isn't that a list of things that the school should be doing itself? Is the premise behind the diversity policy that affluent parents are needed to hold the schools accountable because the schools are incapable of holding themselves accountable?
That doesn't bode particularly well for the schools.
I agree - But the alternative makes my point
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 09:45 — pmisn't that a list of things that the school should be doing itself?
Yes. Yes it is.
Is the premise behind the diversity policy that affluent parents are
needed to hold the schools accountable because the schools are
incapable of holding themselves accountable?
Well, the premise is that engaged parents are needed to hold the schools accountable. Economic status is a good indicator of engagement. Not always, growing up we were FR-my dad was a teacher; high engagement and focus on education, but it trends strong.
That doesn't bode particularly well for the schools.
Don't ever forget that we are dealing with the government here. It has never been able to hold itself accountable; schools are no different.
Further, remember, the argument that neighborhood assignment creates stronger schools is based on the same premise; engaged parents make better schools.
I am sure some parents
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 10:03 — red_balloonI am sure some parents wouldn't mind holding the school accountable. But who would hold negligent parents accountable? Because, if negligence is not addressed, at some point the responsible parents will get demotivated or outnumbered. We can start with your premise but eventually the negligent parents have to be looked else there is only so much benefit we will gain until frustration permeates the ranks of the responsible.
Again, your point is valid but makes mine
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 13:34 — pmBut who would hold negligent parents accountable?
That is the exact fear people have of neighborhood schools. Engaged and active parents will move to areas with good schools; they will self select and gravitate to them.
The folks left behind are going to have a larger % of the parents that couldn't care less. You end up with two different schools; those filled with parents that care--those filled with parents that don't.
We can start with your premise
Please remember, this premise is not only mine; it is shared by this whole board. We are not arguing on the premise, we are only disagreeing on how to fill schools with engaged parents.
On one side you have those that want to allow engaged parents to concentrate in one area and on only a few schools.
On the other side, you have those that want to maintain a limited number of the disengaged parents at as many schools as possible.
Would it be too simplistic
Thu, 02/25/2010 - 14:33 — red_balloonWould it be too simplistic to assign an advocate for neglected children?
Very accurate, if you are
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 18:24 — red_balloonVery accurate, if you are describing utopia. Reality is far from that. The non-F&R kid suffers along with the F&R kid but the system is marketed as excellent since all is hunky dory at the school level.
Sorry PM , my mind is made up on this
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 19:02 — Voice_of_Reason_I've looked into this too much. I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't change the equation. The children are not being helped, they are denied access to federal funds they should get, and the other kids in those schools suffer. If you are going to fix a problem, identify and fix it. Don't spread the problem around to make our Title I schools look better on the books. The results do not justify the cost of doing this, nor do the methods work. I have seen enough data and talked with enough people including teachers that convince me I am right.
I do think you're right
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 16:20 — jenmanI do think you're right about the reasons for the diversity policy. But they don't quite apply at a yr school if the tracks are segregated. If one track has the bulk of the behavioral and educational issues, the parents on the other tracks won't even know about it or won't have any motivation to do anything about it. They're probably just thankful that their kid's class is 'good'.
I've also always thought that the benefits for the teachers aren't there if the kids are largely segregated by track. I have heard that there are some tracks that are heavy on ESL students. So the teachers on that track may be dealing with the bulk of the ESL students while other tracks have few.
Hmm..
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 09:19 — Bob_SconcePost Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
To translate the very
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 09:25 — woodstockTo translate the very relevant point...
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc : the logical fallacy of believing that temporal succession implies a causal relation
That is a possible danger
Wed, 02/24/2010 - 09:47 — red_balloonThat is a possible danger however it behooves us to at least attempt a cursory investigation of the claim.