Wake is one big step closer toward more early release days and weekly early dismissals.
School board members gave tentative approval today to a plan to add 10 minutes to the school day beginning this upcoming school year. The extra time would allow Wake to add two more early release days for elementary and middle schools and allow all schools to dismiss one hour early once a week.
The repeated message today was how the extra planning time from those early release days and early dismissals will help teachers and ultimately students.
It's uncertain how the schools would get those 10 minutes except that the board told staff that high schools would not be allowed to start any earlier.
Previously, the time committee had put two options on the table. One called for starting schools five minutes early. The other called for starting school 10 minutes early.
The committee presented a revised version of the 10 minute recommendation today. They left it up to schools how to get those 10 minutes.
Supt. Del Burns said transportation issues would decide how those schools would get those 10 minutes. He expects most schools to end the day later, meaning a majority of elementary schools could be out at 3:55 p.m.
But some elementary schools and middle schools might start earlier. For instance, East Garner Elementary Principal James Overman said buses arrive at 8:45 a.m. even though the day officially starts at 9:15 a.m. Overman, a member of the time committee, said they might start at 9:05 a.m.
A final board vote could happen next week.

Comments
I am amazed with the rest of
Wed, 03/25/2009 - 00:44 — H2OGuyI am amazed with the rest of you guys. Lately, it is just sickening to what they are doing, proposing, passing, voting, etc. An hour a week to meet in PLC's???? They just want to kill the teachers! I ask any of you, ask a teacher about PLC's...that's a new 3 letter curse word! More crap, with no end results...and YES, I know what studies show...blah blah blah...put it into practice, you have wasted time! Parents now you get to enjoy the wrath of this PLC and the problems this causes. Good Grief!!! Will it ever end???????? Education today in America, has nothing to do with the teacher and educating the child, however it does have everything to do with paperwork and more paperwork, try new programs over and over, piss parents off, wasting money, avoid the obvious, forget the past when something works,......YOU GET THE PICTURE!!!
This makes no sense
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 22:48 — Chris_HMy gosh - why. Kids already get out at 2:25 - so one day a week at 1:25. I really don't get this school district. It is hard enough to keep track of a high schooler and now they get more free time. What about clubs and stuff like that - will this make one day less a week for them. As someone said it would be great if the schools encouraged the kids to be there more instead of less. I hate to say but I have doubts and how does that work with block - are all the periods shortened or just their last class?
I don't think they could
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 22:54 — DrActualFactualI don't think they could just shorten the last class or all the instructional time will come out of the same course's curriculum and then you'd be shorted all those hours of AP Chemistry or Biology, etc.
Not of one accord
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 22:31 — louiselee44At Del Burns’ Summit Meeting in February, all advisory groups (administrators, teachers, support staff, and parents) discussed this for hours. Both options were presented, and I have 18 pages worth of pros and cons that were hashed about. We were definitely not of one accord on these controversial proposals.
The main concerns for the plan now on the table dealt with the childcare nightmare for families (including an extra hour for “latchkey” children to be alone), and the opinion by many that high schools don’t really need this at all. They currently have flexibility to set up these team meeting times for teachers according to what works best for their particular situation. Several of us pointed out that it would be detrimental to put the 10 minutes at the beginning of school for children who already have to be there by 7:15.
All of the double talk by WCPSS and the School Board members has my head spinning!!!!
Louise
this mess
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 23:41 — momof2goodboysThank you for thinking about the welfare of the high school kids! I don't see where they are getting any benefit at all out of this whole mess! Like I have said before, they are already on busses at 6;20, and in their cars by 6:50 or so just to be in class by 7:25, and about 90% of the time are driving to school in the dark! If the whole purpose of this is to 'help' our students, I think they missed the boat! I am also now concerned that they may try to shorten the already rather short lunch. Making the kids that are encourage to leave campus have to rush even more to get back is negligent in my opinion.
I just wish 'they' could see that none of us like all this being forced on us. There's enough going on without feeling like it's us against them. They are supposed to represent us. Maybe they forgot.
Thank you again!
I totally agree
Wed, 03/25/2009 - 07:05 — Chris_HWhether they go off campus or stay on they are fighting a time crunch. The early hours are horrible. I can't see any good coming of this. With economy there are less jobs available for kids and this gives them even more time on their hands.
My kids have been going to Wake County their entire scholastic career, my oldest graduates this year. These last two years with all the BOE changes - it is crazy. It seems like they really do not listen to parents at all - won't compromise a bit. You would think we were all on the same team.
lunch issues
Wed, 03/25/2009 - 22:54 — momof2goodboysYou are right! If they have to stay in for lunch, there are so many kids there is barely room to sit. Heaven forbid they have to get in line to get food. By the time the last ones are served, there's not time left to eat!!! Maybe the school board members should walk a mile in the high school kids shoes for a week or 2. Maybe then they would change their minds!
Concerned? Yeah, right
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:56 — SideburnsShe didn't blink an eye when they converted 22 schools.
Quit pretending to care, Ms. Millberg.
No kidding
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 21:04 — g88ky07Lori Millberg care? Ha! Not about us she doesn't and never has!
Lori, you are free to leave now and not wait until October if you like. And feel free to take a few others with you on your way out!
adding 10 minutes from somewhere
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:44 — momof2goodboysI see they have already made the decision to mess around with the times. I am glad to see that they don't plan to start HS any earlier than 7:25. Earlier than that is barbaric! But when I went back and read the original article, it mentioned possibly shortening HS lunches from 35 minutes to 30. The lunch rooms can barely hold the freshmen and sophmore students as it is. Juniors and Seniors are strongly encouraged to go off campus to make room in the cafeteria. Shortening lunch is not a viable option! 35 minutes barely gives them time to get to their cars, leave the parking lot, order and get food, eat in their cars, park and get back to class. Less time would be dangerous.
More planning time for
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:28 — AngelaWMore planning time for teachers
http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/30425/wake-school-teachers-to-get-more-time-in-the-day
Driving Force
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:21 — jmosterThe driving force comes from Professional Learning Communities. You can Google it, but Rick DuFour is one of the main people behind this idea. It is for teachers of same subject areas or grades to have common planning time to create common assessments. Then, those teachers can see what is working and what is not and what needs to be remediated. Their research has shown great leaps in achievement. Not all teachers buy into this but it is expected in WCPSS. It is the superintendent wanting this time. The teachers only want it provided since they are required to do it. Most schools are doing it now and teachers must use planning time, lunch, or personal time to do it.
Agree this is not a good plan for HS students
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:04 — charterschoolmomBecause of block scheduling, extra time added to certain days just takes away meaningful learning time. Classes are 90 minutes long already - those five extra minutes are not good instructional time.
Is there some reason that teachers could not meet before or after school? As the parent of HS students who are very involved in sports and other activities, I greatly prefer that those extra-curriculars be delayed for planning meetings, rather than have more instructional time cut.
Wha...?
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 18:40 — SideburnsIs it me or is this just downright confusing?
Add 10 minutes 5 days and subtract one hour 1 day. Unless my bits, skinnies and flats are worn out, that's a net loss of 10 minutes.
And where is the time for the 2 additional early release days coming from?
The change would lead to a
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 18:44 — KeungHui (author)The change would lead to a net loss of about 5 hours a year. But it would still keep Wake above the state's 1,000-hour requirement. Backers of the change say the academic beneifts from the extra planning time for professional learning communities will more than make up for the five fewer hours.
Snow days?
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 19:00 — Eric_BSo much for adding a some slack in the calendar for snow makeup days...
Just spoke to a WCPSS Teacher
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 17:59 — NCParentThey're cutting staff, and teachers will lose planning periods (if they have them) in order to pinch hit for the lost staff, so this will (in theory) allow them time to plan? SKEPTICAL.
This is Crazy
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 17:44 — YearRounderI just worked out flexible hours with my new boss at my new job so that I could be home when the kids got home from school and not disrupt their afternoons/activities/etc. This is going to throw a major kink in my new job. With this economy, I can't afford to have problems at work. Not to mention how this is going to disrupt our after school activities. I have a child with special needs and we go to therapy 2-3x/wk right after school. Has the BOE considered any of the impact this is going to have?
BOE consideration of impacts
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 20:51 — Falc"Has the BOE considered any of the impact this is going to have?"
I don't think they care how this will impact students' other commitments, parents, jobs, families, employers, childcare providers, etc. They continue to make their decisions in a vacuum where the only stakeholder considered is WCPSS.
It is now up to me to find out how this weekly early release will impact after-school care for which we have already signed up. So, apparently for the BOE it is too late to reconsider MYR, but not too late change the daily schedule?
all early release days the same??
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 17:09 — new876Keung...Will all of the schools have the same early release day (i.e. all schools would release early every Friday)? What will happen since I have one in MYR elementary, one in traditional middle, and one in traditional high school. I would hope that they would be released early on the same day --- preferably Friday so we could have family time together since we are all on different schedules.
Every school would dismiss
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 17:19 — KeungHui (author)Every school would dismiss the same day each week. They just haven't picked that day
Who is going to stand up against this?
Wed, 03/25/2009 - 21:24 — raleighlauraWill someone post links to the groups rallying for change this fall? I'd like to get involved, as I think this is just one in a far too long series of moves that are bad for families, schools, and taxpayers. We need more time with kids in classrooms, not less, and certainly not more time for paperwork and reviews. If we let the good teachers teach and paper pushers out of their way, we might make some progress!
www.wakesca.org
Wed, 03/25/2009 - 22:00 — g88ky07Their next meeting is April 16 in Garner. Get on board! www.wakesca.org
There are many, many that feel the same way! Let's see,
22 unnecessary & undesired MYR schools, +
25,000+ reassigned children in JUST THE NEXT 3 YEARS, +
About to open another of their rigged deck of cards and shuffle start times to disrupt how many 10's of 1,000's?, +
Letting teachers, programs and education go bye bye instead of cutting costs with under capacity MYR schools and all wasteful MYR schools, cutting back on diesel fuel or firing a bunch of the chair occupiers that make these ridiculous decisions, +
the drift down wind of sanity long ago and I'm STILL not clear on why... anyone?
Are they planning on...
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 18:26 — midtownmomstarting school days earlier to accomodate the weekly early release?
Wow, I obviously didn't read the entire article.
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 18:36 — midtownmomThis stupidity will impact every single school in the system and create havic throughout.
That is absolutely what they
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 18:29 — YearRounderThat is absolutely what they are trying to do. However, I do not understand how the math works out. Gaining 10 mins per day (50 mins total per week), but losing 60 mins for early release doesn't gain time, it results in a net loss of teaching time. And that doesn't even factor in the two additional half days per year that are in the proposal.
Am I missing something?
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:34 — Eric_BHow does this add up? 5 day week with 10 extra minutes each day means 50 extra minutes per week. They are then going to subtract 60 minutes from one day of the week to create an early release day.
Isn't this a net reduction of 10 minutes per week then? How does this create time for extra half days?
not with WCPSS "fuzzy
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:37 — AngelaWnot with WCPSS "fuzzy math"
c'mon you know how they skew numbers. you know first hand, they'll justify it SOMEHOW, same as MYR.
CLWEAS – aka Can't Leave
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:25 — shearertwCLWEAS – aka Can't Leave Well Enough Alone Syndrome. def - Those who have CLWEAS don't know when to stop. They tend to pick the scab until it is infected. They tend to want to get to the root of something even if it means the need for a plumber or electrician in the end.
or in this case, the need
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:28 — AngelaWor in this case, the need for NEW BLOOD this October!!
These fools simply cannot
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:20 — shearertwThese fools simply cannot stop "tinkering". Surely there is a dissorder associated with this type of behavior.
We must "tinker" until it is broken....
Please BoE, don't do anything else!
Don't meet, don't talk to one another, just go home until after the election in October. We don't need you to make any more decisions.
yes it is called
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:23 — AngelaWmeg⋅a⋅lo⋅ma⋅ni⋅a
I think you nailed it...
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:30 — shearertwI think you nailed it...
They've got to be kidding
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:18 — srhudson06Good Grief, more 1/2 days, more early release??I know of other school systems that added the time and then "banked" it so they could use it for weather days. How about using that time for this? Wait, that idea makes too much sense.I have to put the kids schedule into their own calendar just for school to keep up with everything. Wasn't there a study once that kids do best with consistency? Man o man, Wake County just gets sillier and sillier.
Keung--How exactly does this
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:16 — DrActualFactualKeung--How exactly does this benefit high schools the way the block instruction is set up there? I could see where this could benefit MS with team teachers but HS seems more specialized for each of the classes. Is the HS included in this because they have to have all the buses running to execute this plan at the MS and elementary schools? So far the information has seemed scant in regard to HS reasons for the implementation of this change at that level. It seems to me that with the complexity of AP courses skipping 1/2 days here and there to only add 10 minutes a day is counterproductive. I think HS parents and students will really need to have this spelled out to be convinced.
High school teachers would
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:54 — KeungHui (author)High school teachers would be guaranteed one hour a week of protected time for the professional learning communities. While there's more specialization, you've also got, for instance, several sections of English I and ELPS going on a time for those teachers to meet.
10 minutes is soooooo
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:15 — shearertw10 minutes is soooooo valuable..
Unless, of course, its on a bus. There, apparently, it doesn't really matter. What time will those kid's with the 1hr bus ride get home? Hopefully, they don't intend on doing anything outside of school...
It is Bizarre what these people chose to do with their time.
NC Parent--I'm also
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 15:06 — raleighreaderNC Parent--I'm also regretting that we didn't move to Chapel Hill when we first moved out here 10 years ago.
Should Have Moved to Chapel Hill
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 14:49 — NCParentBetween track outs, school on Saturday, early release days, and now this, I'm going to have to hire a personal assistant to deal with what I go through to send my kids to public school in Wake County.
Nothing short of
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 14:40 — g88ky07Amazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing. The ignorant things these people do is just amazing!
How about let's have every track in every other MYR school start at a different time and every class have recess on the :08's of a different hour based on what grade they're in while teachers at every other traditional school on the second Thursday of every other week plug in a coffee pot for 9 minutes!
for crying out loud!
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 14:25 — AngelaWstop the knee-jerk reactions and work to FIX what is already wrong, MYR, costing thousands when we are in a budgetary crisis!
Driving Force?
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 14:20 — Lisa_BWhat is driving this change? Are teachers asking for more planning time? It is not being done for cost savings...why do the REALLY even spend time on this?
Where Would the Kids Lose the Hour?
Tue, 03/24/2009 - 13:56 — ForCryingOutLoudEven though I KNOW the extra 60 minutes are built in to each day...
I wonder how the students day would be different on the one day/week that they get out an hour earlier? Would it be no recess, no special ... would elective time be cut?
This seems backwards to me. Kids need to be in school MORE, not less. Kids need MORE consistency -- not a get-out-an-hour-early pass! And if they make that early-out day a Friday, kiss any staff productivity goodbye! How would this work on the weeks that there are days off (holidays, workdays, etc?) How would they balance this in the YR world?