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Assessing Garner's support for schools

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The fact that Garner has taken on the school system in a very public way over the diversity policy led to one of the more heated moments of yesterday's roundtable.

As noted in today's article, Garner municipal and community leaders said they've had to take a public stand to force the school system's hand. Diana Bader, a Cary resident, suggested yesterday that the town take a different approach.

"Stop complaining about your schools," Bader said. "You need to support your schools."

At that point, the roundtable had officially ended. But about half the people, mostly consisting of Garner residents, hung around for another 90 minutes to talk in a more informal setting.

Bader said the school district has looked for ways to reduce the percentages of low-income students in Garner's schools. As proof, she pointed to the work that's been done by the student assignment advisory committee, which helps staff put together assignment plans.

Bader is a longtime member of the advisory committee. which consists of parents and other community members. Bader is the committee's leader/organizer.

Bader added that you don't see other towns complaining as much as Garner. She said the town needs to be boosters for the schools.

Garner residents didn't take kindly to the suggestion that they're not supporting schools. They cited how they raise money through the Garner Education Foundation and organize events at town schools.

David Williams, who is also a member of the student assignment advisory committee, said Garner residents like himself had for years quietly lobbied school board members. But he said those unpublicized efforts had been ignored.

Buck Kennedy, Garner's mayor pro tem, said it's unfortunate that the town's threats to withhold site plan approval has cost the school district hundreds of thousands of dollars. But he said the town hasn't had a choice.

Since Garner went public, the school board has tentatively given approval to magnetize Smith Elementary School to lower its F&R rate and delayed building a new elementary school whose timing was criticized by the town.

But the town wants the school board to do even more to reduce the high poverty percentages that residents say don't truly reflect the conditions in Garner.

"Things are happening, but we need a jumpstart," Williams said.

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It all doesn't make sense because....

All this bussing doens't make sense b/c, unlike what the BoE claims, its not about the F&R kids. Its all about the NCLB, no "failing" schools, etc. Of course its not better fot the individual kids, F&R or not F&R, but the (the BoE(eR)) can't say that. They have to keep selling it as a benefit to the F&R population when its all just a scam to dilute out low test scores. The BoE is either too stupid or just unwilling to attack the real issues and needs of various F&R populations.

Do the schools in Garner

Do the schools in Garner have high test scores, then, and were the F&R kids that got bussed out from ITB to Garner low-performing?

 

I had been wondering myself, if it was a case of powerful and connected people ITB wanting to use the magnet schools for their kids, and then having the effect of "squeezing out" the F&R kids - because there were so many of their kids attending, that there was not much room left for the F&R kids.  I had not thought about test scores. 

Nail on the head.......

I think you hit the nail on the head with the above.  This is exactly the kind of hypocrisy of the ITB crowd would do, along with the local media elites, who put their property values before the F&R crowd they imbrace with some much love and attention.  And as long as that love and attention is bored by Garner and the rest of Wake County, no problem for them. 

One County, 

two separate school systems.

 

voiceforequity.blogspot.com

Falc & gwahir--You both touched on something that I've been working on. Magnets should be filled with LOW INCOME base populations. That is supposedly who all of this is supposed to be helping. Check out my blog voiceforequity.blogspot.com for more info on some of the research I've done on who some of the base populations are for magnets.

I am glad to hear that Dr. McLaurin asked about moving the ESL kids to a school like Dillard Drive that may not have been able to handle their needs. I have to say that I was impressed that she even came to the Garner meeting. She stayed through the entire thing, even after it was officially over and she listened. She didn't make excuses for the policy and didn't just spout the WCPSS party line.

District's ESL program is awful

One of the big hits to the district's performance on no child left behind is the performance of ESL students.   They don't perform well because the district's policy of distributing them across the county like salt on french fries doesn't serve their needs.  The right approach is to concentrate them in one school or one area, teach them english and then put them back into local schools.  Otherwise, individual students end up sitting in class, not understanding what's going on, without any friends (because they can't communicate) falling further behind, consuming more classroom resources and just generally being a drain.  That's not a recipie for success.

 

 

 

dr mclaurin

It sounds like McLaurin might not be another koolaid drinking BOE lemming????  Could that be true???  So Rosa intimidated McLaurin once with the "unfriendly motion" move but maybe that won't continue to happen....

Bigots on the BOE

If you believe that an F&R kid cannot learn or perform as well as any other kid, then you are a BIGOT. Sure some can and some can't, just like any other "labeled" population. If you believe bussing them anywhere will “help” them, then you are a FOOL.
You don’t “bus” kids out to get “help”, you take the “help” to the kids. By spreading the issues of certain populations around the county, you effective eliminate any possible ability to focus the real services they need to where they are.
If a population is “sick” with the same “illness”, you don’t spread them all around the county! You contain them in one place, bring the “medicine” directly to them and treat them all at the same time. The problem with labels, like F&R, is that it causes them to be treated the same everywhere when the truth is, every F&R kid or F&R population is not the same. They don’t all have the same needs. It is incredibly inefficient to take a 100 kids all with similar needs (similar family, neighbor background etc.), spread them to 5 different schools and try to address that need along with a 100 other kids with “needs” that aren’t the same as the other 100. BIGOTS, FOOLS and IDIOTS = LIBERALS.

Excellent analogy..

Excellent analogy.. excellent post. 

 

While it is not the fault of the kids they are born into situations that are less than ideal, it's not the "job" of the teachers or administrators to take on their burdens. Their job is to TEACH them.  That's it.

 Moving these kids all around, from their comfort zones is causing horrific problems and if you dare say that in public, you're a racist or a non caring person.   That is so not true.  It's about finding the solutions to help these kids succeed and moving kids to schools to watch classmates drive in with their BMW's and designer handbags, is not helping their situations.  It's like salt in the wound.

 And we wonder why school officials and the folks on Wake Forest Road are running scared when it comes to "gang" activity in our schools.

It's a mess.  I don't think people who are against spreading the F&R populations all around are bigots, racists, or right wing fanatics.   Many I know are looking for a better solution to helping these kids as they are uprooted and tossed about the county like cattle or "issues to be dealt with." 

Diana Bader is part of the

Diana Bader is part of the problem, not the solution.

She has served in multiple "parent advisory" roles over the years --- the Super Secret Assignment Committee, Board Advisory Council, etc. WCPSS loves her, because she will be vitriolic and fight and castigate other parents who are getting the short end of the stick and speak out for their children. In the meantime, her neighborhood has maintained nice, nearby assignments into good schools.

WCPSS repeats this over and over. When they set up parent advisories, they like to go to their "go-to" people that they know they can depend upon to parrot the party line, rather than going after diverse, independent voices. Look at the makeup of the "Healthy Schools" advisory committee a few years ago. There were lots of people actively working to get on this committee a few years ago, but there were a number of Board Advisory Council members placed on it. Not exactly a means of seeking new input, as the Board already gets input from the BAC's.

And, in the end, WCPSS can say "See? Our parent advisory people think we're on the right track, and must stay the course."

Well Golly Ms Bader

I ran out of gas! I had a flat tire! I didn't have change for cab fare! I lost my tux at the cleaners! I locked my keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!

Well Golllllllyyyyyy Ms Bader !!!!!

WCPSS LIES and the good people of Garner have tried.

Attempt to intimidate as you will. What Garner has been dealt is the short (to be genteel) end of the stick.

 

Sounds like Bader has been

Sounds like Bader has been drinking too much kool aid.

Raleighreader thanks for reoporting on your perspective of the meeting.

On the walk to school day that you all were talking about further up - is that a WCPSS thing? National thing? Or specific school thing? I ask becasue folders came home today and I didn't see anything mentioned about it... we don't have sidewalks out in these parts though and Brassfield is a busy road so I am not sure how well that will work out here.

Thanks for any info...

Walk-to-school

The one I mentioned was a protest walk last winter after the original 2008 assignment policy was revealed that was taking kids that live across Davis Drive from Davis Drive Elementary (who could literally look out their back windows and see the school) and assigning them to Laurel Park Elementary, all to clear room for southeast Raleigh kids to get bused in. Parents in MacArthur Park held a "walk to school" day to show how absurd it was to take them out of their neighborhood schools.

I was at that meeting

I was at that meeting yesterday and I've got to hand it to Garner. I don't know how they've put up with what they have for so long.

The question that I have is why is it unacceptable for low income, mostly black children to go to a high F&R school in their own neighborhood but it is ok for them to go to a school that is 65% F&R in Garner? Basically, WCPSS is just picking up an entire 'neighborhood' population and moving them from SE Raleigh to Garner. What is changing for them? They are still at an 'unhealthy' (VERY unhealthy, by WCPSS standards) school, so why not at least build the school in their own neighborhood?

What I didn't realize until yesterday's meeting was that large areas of Garner are bused OUT of Garner. Including higher income areas. They are bused out and then kids are bused in from SE Raleigh. It just doesn't make any sense, especially since Garner schools can't afford to lose higher income families.

What Keung didn't report was Bader's comment about how even if they don't have kids in Garner schools, they should still volunteer at them because they're "your schools". How can they be 'their schools' when some people in their own community aren't even able to go to them and they are filled with kids from outside the community?

As far as I'm concerned, it

As far as I'm concerned, it is not acceptable for low income kids to be bussed out of their area to a high F&R schools. It does nothing for the low-income kids except waste their time. Unfortuneately, the majority of the BOE is either not opposed or not willing to go against it.

In the 2008-09 reassignment plan, a node with a high percentage of ESL students was reassigned out of Combs (an ITB magnet) to Dillard Drive ES, which had > 35% F&R. During the BOE meeting where they voted on the reassignment plan, Dr. McLaurin questioned that and stated that she thought the BOE had a principle that they would not reassign high needs students to high needs schools. Patti Head snapped back that the BOE had no such agreement in principle. At that point Rosa Gil asked Dr. McLaurin if she wanted to make an "unfriendly motion". Dr. McLaurin responded that she would never want to make an "unfriendly motion". If a BOE member must make an "unfriendly motion"  to stand up for what makes sense (or to stand up against what does not make sense) to them or for their constituents, then they need to be willing to make an "unfriendly motion".

So the question is, if the BOE is fine with reassigning high needs nodes to high needs schools -- what actually is the goal of the "diversity" policy? The BOE's actions do not seem to support their stated goal.

BTW - every diversity seminar I've ever attended focuses on the fact that we all have many facets to us. I wish they would stop calling this policy built on stereotyping, dividing and shuffling kids based on just one aspect about them (whether or not they qualify for F&R) a "diversity" policy. At best, it could be referred to as a "socio-economic balancing" policy, but even that is a stretch.

Ms. Bader does not seem to understand that having disagreements with how the school system is run, does not mean you do not support your schools. It only means that people are not lemmings and are willing to stand up for what they believe is right.

In my opinion, the F&R kids

In my opinion, the F&R kids who live ITB should be assigned to the magnet schools ITB.  Not bussed out to Garner or anywhere else in the county.  Taxpayers are supporting the magnet schools under the premise that they are there to help the F&R kids. 

 

Easy for Bader to say

According to the Student Assignment finder on the WCPSS website, Mrs. Bader lives 1.8 miles from her base Elementary and Middle Schools, and 2.3 miles from the base High School. Meanwhile, kids who live on Main Street in downtown Garner are bussed to the Swift Creek/Cary area.

She should realize how lucky she is and keep quiet in public. Garner has always supported its schools. Her comments immediately give her zero credibility.

Wow

Great Research!!!!  A++++

Why not......

Why can't they just get rid of all the "inside-the-beltline" magnet schools and make those schools the base schools for the SE Raleigh kids? If they are already busing these kids out to the boondocks, why not bus them ITB? Works for me!

Here's a question... Garner

Here's a question... Garner wants these F&R kids out of their schools to "balance"...where are they going to be sent? This means a massive "reshuffle" so that there can be seats opened for these kids... are they going to force these kids into MYR? Because if they are looking to Apex, Holly Springs area... they only really have MYR schools.

Where is the population from Garner going?

thanks

gstelmack-Thanks for reminding me that one person does not speak for the masses and that not everyone has swallowed the kool-aid.

It is just frustrating for someone to tell us to support our schools when our school system does not support our children...

Diana Bader doesn't speak.

Diana Bader doesn't speak. She yells and intimidates.

Hui.....Can you list the names of the other members from the Student Assignment Advisory Committee?

Cary parents up-in-arms too

Why are the Cary parents being lumped in with the ITB groups? Did anyone see the speeches (I have one) at the Cary Town Council meeting a few months back? The "walk-to-school" protest at Davis Drive Elementary over Wake County splitting up one of their more successful and culturally diverse schools? The continuing efforts to expose the lies that WCPSS keeps trying to shove down our throats?

As a Cary parent who has been supporting various groups trying to change the schoolboard, I'm very disappointed that folks think Ms. Bader is representative of all Cary parents, and that somehow Cary parents are happy and supportive of the current busing and assignment policies. Believe me, large numbers of us are not.

Walt to School

Speaking of "Walk to school"....

Evidently Wakefield ES had an assembly yesterday about how to stay safe on "Walk to School" day, which will happen next week.  According to my kid, it pretty much messed up the entire day by shortening a bunch of activities.  

Idiotic.  

heh

Wake Forest Elementary gathers the kids up and they all walk to the library.   If it wasn't so infuriating, it would be funny!  No kids in Wake County get to walk to school!  RIP, neighborhood schools

an assembly on walking to

an assembly on walking to schools when there a no "neighborhood" schools to walk to???  oh brother....just another waste of curriculum.  just like ARC...anybody have that at their middle school?

A walk to school

A walk to school assembly?  But Enloe can't hold a pep rally?  See.... case in point.

 

Idiots 

Question?

I am so sad that you missed when WCPSS iwas suggesting these foolish bus routes that I was here on the blog protesting the busing of these children from your side of the world to Cary, Leesville and Garner???

Repeatedly I reported data, distances and alternatives to the schools that these children were being sent to on this blog till I think the folks here were sick....

I have repeatedly written the BOE to keep these children close to home and not bus them far away to keep these children in magnet programs--and these aren't even my kids. I feel that the at-risk population benefits more from the magnet programs inside Raleigh than the rich children from the affluent neighborhoods but the BOE is catering to latter. WCPSS is willing to bus the poor children to Cary but not bus the Cary kids in....

Please raise cane with WCPSS that your child is NOT attending one of the ITB magnet schools and is instead in a school far away and spending hours on the bus every day???

I do not lie. I can't, I have tried. Once I almost pulled it over when my daughter asked me if I drank a beer underage. Nope could not pull it over. I am boringly transparent.

I just stated my feelings and I feel strongly that children in the county and I honestly think in your ITB node also are being abused by WCPSS...and perhaps I need to rethink things that things are not as rosy in ITB as I thought they were --and for that I thank you for pointing out to me!!!

What planet is Forget_not on?

I live ITB, a few blocks from Fayetville Street. If I had a kid in Kindergarden, he or she would have to take the bus 45 minutes each way to a school on the far side of Cary. And kids two blocks away would go to a different school. A middle schooler would go to the other side town, though that will probably change in the next couple of years.

Why? Because the school board doesn't want to build schools in Raleigh, let alone SE Raleigh, and now Garner is blocking schools in its city limits.

Keep lying to yourself that the grass is greener on the other side if it helps you sleep at night. But know that you are lying.

Guess Again!

There are ALREADY more elementary school seats inside the beltline than there are elementary students.  These children are not bused out to Garner or other places due to capacity problems.

When many say "ITB", they

When many say "ITB", they are talking about the elite who make these decisions, not really the residential folks who get bit by these policies and have to wake their kids up at 5AM so they can get bused to Cary.

 With an election coming up, I hope the "ITB" parents who are fed up with their kids getting bused 45+ minutes turn out to vote and help us change this schoolboard...

what planet is bader on?

"Stop complaining about your schools," Bader said. "You need to support your schools."

Parents are complaining about the SCHOOL SYSTEM not their schools and these Garner parents do support their schools. What an insult to assume they don't.

When you live in ITB Raleigh or the homogenous Cary that Ms. Bader hails from, you can't seem to imagine life outside of that utopia.

Take a moment Ms. Bader and put on your empathy, compassion and understanding hat and look around the county, it is like the diversity model our children are learning. "Look we are all different. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and try to understand what he is feeling"

Garner is not alone darling. Add Holly Springs, Apex, North Raleigh, and the other areas plagued with no magnets, MYR schools and forced busing. (these areas lie outside of Cary and ITB) and you will find discontent.

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