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Arguing over magnet criteria changes

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There's been some questions about what the school board discussed Tuesday about changes to the magnet selection criteria.

Click here for the handout that lists the questions the board was asked to answer by staff. Even though they delayed acting on options two and three, it wasn't without some heated argument.

School board member Lori Millberg was the most vocal about changing the process to make sure magnet schools are recruiting from "the right schools."

"Some of these schools are getting kids from schools with higher concentrations of poverty," Millberg said. "We want to say you can’t do that. You can be out there recruiting but we don’t want you to recruit from those schools."

Millberg argued that allowing the last 10 percent of seats to be filled randomly was ineffective at limiting acceptance of kids from schools that can't afford to lose them.

For instance, Millberg said that Eastern Wake families have learned how to work the magnet system even though they're applying from high F&R schools that should limit them to the 10 percent pool.

Millberg said Eastern Wake families are applying to magnet schools that don't have as many applicants. This means they'd run out of applicants from the "right schools" when filling the first 90 percent of seats, forcing them to dip into the bottom pool sooner.

Once accepted at a magnet elementary school, these kids move through the system up through high school.

School board member Beverley Clark questioned the value of putting a cap on the percentage of kids who could leave nodes or schools. She said that in some cases they want a lot of kids to leave those places.

Clark noted the changes that had been made to increase the bases at some magnet schools and to reduce the number of magnet seats. It should raise the F&R rates at those magnet schools.

Additionally, the draw areas have been revised for several magnet schools.

“We’ve made a number of changes and have to see what the consequences are," Clark said.

Staff will report back in the spring on the impact options two and three would have on the district. They could be implemented next year.

BTW, you'll also notice that the board was asked to decide about Partnership Elementary School. The board decided not to make a decision yet on whether Partnership should be formally considered a magnet school.

But the board agreed that families from Partnership will be given pathway priority to get into Moore Square Middle School.

Partnership has had an unusual history. It was set up in the 1990s by then Supt. Jim Surratt as an example of how the school system could operate a school with the same flexibility as a charter school.

Complaints among board members have risen that Partnership has too low an F&R percentage.

Partnership accepted applications randomly until last year, when it was formally incorporated into the magnet application process with the same magnet selection criteria. Still, it wasn't considered a magnet school.

Asst. Supt. Chuck Dulaney said that some Partnership parents had been upset last year when their magnet applications for Moore Square and Centennial Campus middle schools were rejected. Families had applied because they all operated on the modified calendar.

Dulaney explained that they in the past had been able to get the Partnership families into those two middle schools when there were few magnet applicants.

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At Voice of Reason's request. I removed one of his comments. It wound up removing all the replies as well.

Don't blame Mr. Hui

I wrote a post on this blog concerning a personal conversation with Stan Norwalk that on second thought might have been out the bounds of civility. While I do not deny the truth of the contents of that post, I have asked Mr. Hui to remove it and he graciously agreed. Mr. Hui did not censor this, this was not Stan's request either; my decision alone.

Good judgment and

Good judgment and decision.  Probably for the best.

I do not/did not doubt it's the truth

nor do I doubt your concern with making public exactly what kind of people we are dealing with!

Stan is certainly one of those "kind" of people!

Nonetheless, those "kind" of people are going to get met head on this time around and if the truth offends some along that way,

SO BE IT and TOO BAD!

Stan realy is an idiot

Stan realy is an idiot -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Norwalk [mailto:stann@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:19 PM > To:

> Subject: FW: disturbing agenda of the WSCA > Importance: High > > > > -----Original Message----- > xxxx > > You are right on target. Kent Misegades works for Bob Luddy, a long time > opponent of public education. Luddy is on the board of the John Locke > Foundation (supported by the Pope family)also long time foes of public > education. John Hood the Executive Director of the JLF, Has written that > erosion of public confidence in public schools is the means of bringing down > the entire institution. Vouchers is their end game - despite talk of > improving public schools through greater family involvement. Other members > of their extensive network and supporters among parents have legitimate > gripes about WCPSS. Some are driven by political ambition. > > Misegades and company will not succeed but can cause further damage if they > can control or strongly influence the BoE to support economically > resegregated "neighborhood schools" - as was the case in CMS. Such control > is their stated short-term objective. > > We both agree that impovements in WCPSS are needed but that tearing down the > entire institution or going down the path taken in CM is not the answer. > Keep your suggestion on improvements flowing..to Kevin Hill and Beverly > Clark and others on the BOE. > > There are two things you can do now. The first is to make Misegades letter > public to the greatest extent possible - which I will help do. The second is > to look for like-mided candidates for the BoE election coming up in > November. Please keep me in the loop. > > Stan Norwalk > Wake County Commissioner > H (919) 363-4685

It seems like it typically

It seems like it typically turns out this way that what appears to be well intentioned folks like Ken who you think want to improve the entire system for everyone have a political agenda (e.g. privatize public education) that may ultimately destroy it or improve it for a select few.   All these groups (liberal and conservative) stir up the gullible masses to gain the political power they need to execute their ideology.  VOR, I admit this goes both ways.   

Ken?

Who the heck is Ken? Gardner?

Ken...

...and Barbie, perhaps?

you say it goes both ways

you say it goes both ways but yet you take what Stan says at face value.  Why?  Don't you think Stan's the one with the issue seeing anyone who disagrees with him as an evil bastard out to destroy everyone?   Have you even gone to a WSCA meeting? Why would three Mayors in this day and age back a group enough to talk at a meeting if the group was out to destroy public schools?  Do you know anyone who is part of the groups that joined together to combat WEP and the BOE?   The fact you believe Stan's rant with out an evidence proves your the gullible one or a person who wants WSCA to go down in a flaming mess of smears.

Oh on another note remember when you said you thought that the Evil racist of Cary were going to go after Muslims next. Don't worry if you don't I do.  Anyway I was at a Middle School recently in which a girl in a head scarf was mouthing off to me and all I could do was smile. The Fact that this girl had so little respect for an adult in the school but still wore her scarf said so much about the other kids in her class.  The girl obviously came from a family that teaches respect your elders but the girl was copying her friends. Her friends obviously had no problem with her Head Scarf or she would of taken it off once she got to school so she could please her friends. these kids behaviors and acceptance of everyone  puts an even bigger nail in your theories.  People can hate WCPSS policies find WCPSS to be a failing school system to wrapped up in it's political theories to care about kids and still not be a racist with a political agenda.

:P

I don’t believe Stan

I don’t believe Stan entirely as I would not believe any politician entirely.  They all are in search of power.  Personally, I prefer to neutralize all of them by keeping they equalized.  So, I prefer to see the congress and executive branches of different parties to keep an eye on each other.   I am not saying the WCPSS is doing a great job.  I have said they have some unprecedented challenges – high growth (last 10 years not the last two week), substandard funding (I can put the total cost per student charts in again vs. surrounding counties if needed), federal and state challenges (measurement by segment so High Needs kids are not neglected vs. generating high total schools on the back of a NED kids).   I agree that WCPSS should outsource population estimates like Johnston and construction to the CC or private firms.   Anyone who will follow will have many of the same challenges though growth may not be one of them.   

 

I stand by my Muslim comment and believe one day when they approach a higher % of the community we will have to deal with conflict.  Some conservatives may want a separate school or prayer rooms which we will need to deal with just as we have had to deal with other religious issues in public school before.   We have work through prejudice in society with Jews, Italians, Irish, Gays, Blacks, Disabled people as we have tried to find a ways to live civil lives in a diverse society.  I think we do better than a lot of societies and I credit public school for making some of the peaceful transition possible (.e.g. compared to Paris riots).  Also, I would not assume a girl wearing a hajab as being more obedient than one wearing a cross.   I am sure many people are disappointed when a person with a fish sticker cuts them off in traffic.  

Do you know of a situation where this happened?

"I stand by my Muslim comment and believe one day when they approach a higher % of the community we will have to deal with conflict.  Some conservatives may want a separate school or prayer rooms which we will need to deal with just as we have had to deal with other religious issues in public school before." 

Do you think this because you know of a situation where it happened? I’m wondering because that is not what happened when Muslims moved to my hometown.

Just a theory.  I travel a

Just a theory.  I travel a lot around the world for my job and often see majority/minority conflicts (ethnic, religious, income based).   Locally, I remember a study that said that Whites feel uncomfortable when the population of their school, neighborhood, etc. approaches 20% Black and Blacks feel their neighborhood / school is losing its “blackness” when the white population approaches 50%.   I am guessing that when any minority population (Black, F&R, ED, Special Ed, Muslim, etc.) gets to some inexact % (e.g. 20%, 40%?) the majority feels threatened.  You see these conflict in the riots in France where Muslims are frustrated by being excluded from university entrance and public jobs or Germany where Turk are still excluded from society 50 years after arriving to fill cheap labor jobs.  The schools system has set an arbitrary F&R limit of 40% above which I am guessing it is perceived the character of the school changes.   

So, I don’t expect any significant conflict until the Muslim population reaches some limit (20%, 40%??) where the majority feels threatened.   At some point Muslims will express their desires based on their culture (e.g. course, books, holidays, etc.) that may be threatening to others.  As long as the majority does not feel threatened there won’t be a problem.  We continue to struggle with prayer is school as one perpetual religious issue, so I am sure that Muslims will bring new issues like prayer room, text books, dress, etc. which we will need to work through.   You see we have successful navigate through girls wearing hijab in school which could fall  under the gang/doo rag dress rules and which has caused so many problems in France.  Muslim girl participate in cross country, swimming, etc. fully clothed which is wonderful.  I think we have the will and processes to work through these conflicts peacefully which is why America is so wonderful.

 

A little off the wall

user1234 - Most of the time I agree with you but a blanket statement that all politicians want power is a little out there.  That doomsday view is a bit over the top. 

 And as for Stan, a 70 something who is retired wants power?  I don't think so.  

I guess you and I

I guess you and I disagreeing would be considered diversity for this group :-)

  

I think politicians serve as a way to guide people to their vision of the way they things should be.  Most people, including on this blog, don’t get involved in public policy until it affects them and they organize to influence it.   Wanting the power to change things to the way you think they ought to be is not evil, it human nature.  Stan has a viewpoint that caused him to get in the limelight as has Ron M.  I admire any of these politicians normally because they sacrifice greatly of their time and resources for public service.  Those two may have different visions but want the power to mold things their way.  Again, nothing evil about wanting to acquire power to affect change unless it some how benefits you financially which at the least is immoral and depending on local laws illegal.  I think our founding fathers knew that politician wanted power and they set up checks and balances so they would wear themselves out fighting each other and hopefully not cause too much mischief (e.g. riots, raise and army, coups, etc.).  That is why I think it is important to have a diversity of ideas, full debate, and protection of the opposition to build a healthy democracy so the power does not get in the hands of a few.

 

Now that's a self-confession

To believe in user1234's warped sense of reality, speaks volumes of you. Mediocracy for all, down with the achievers! Let the rich* pay for all and everyone will benefit...everyone should suffer equally., etc.

*rich= those who make over $60K/yr

I think most of proposals

I think most of proposals coming out of Washington say that middle class is $60k to $200k  … I would put rich as >$200k … note, I prefer to use net worth since many high income people are seriously in debt and wealth poor.

Question

I agree with your last statement. I have met many a person living outside their means, and that goes to the lower strata also. But do you think that a person who has already paid taxes on earned or invested money should have that money taken away now? So nobody should save for their future or live within their means at the risk of having that taken away? Do you realize how much it might cost in the future to retire, what happens when you are no longer able to earn. I believe you need to read the top ten again, "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods." Do you think everyone who has a million dollars in the bank (not a whole lot of money these days) got it off of somebody else's back? I believe in voluntary charity, not forced (that's theft). I also know I need to provide for my family and have a safety net, I don't want to rely on the government.  BTW, I know several "rich" people who are living within their means very scared right now about the future.  Your views appear very scary to me (not that I fear you, just that mentality existing in our country today).  I can understand to some extent what you say when you talk about the ultra wealthy, those having 10's of millions of dollars, but there aren't that many of those.

Depends..

On what you define as forced charity.  Is the government giving to organizations that help families in poverty 'forced'.  I think your idea of voluntary charity is somehwat altruistic but not practical.  The people like you (I assume) and i could voluntarily give back are few and far between. 

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Well it depends

What do you consider poor or in need? Is it the role of government to feed and house people who have the capability and opportunity to work? Is it the role of government to make a poor person like this live comfortably?

I do believe government has a role to provide opportunity and assist those that need help through no fault of their own (i.e. handicaped, aged, etc.... I would even include help to those laid off of jobs through no fault of their own). Assistance means helping them get on their feet again if possible, not an open checkbook. But if you make them too comfortable you destroy the motivation to take advantage of that assistance.

One thing about our society is that "poor" has too high a threshold. A lot of our poor live very comfortable, maybe not with HDTVs, cable TV, and nice cars... but comfortable. Just look back 70-80 years and compare to what thy have now. I'm not denying there are real poor people, I just think a lot is spent on the pseudo-poor. Let's be honest, what % of F&R's could afford to feed their own kids if they planned and cooked meals. My guess that it would be in the 80% range or higher. The bar for poverty continues to be raised.. that's what is killing our country.

 

“So nobody should save

“So nobody should save for their future or live within their means at the risk of having that taken away?”

  

You kind of jump to extremes on some of these issues (e.g. “nobody”).   As a society, we choose to throw our money in pot in many areas (e.g. public education, roads, government administration, water and sewer systems, etc.) and get some share out.  Those are society choices we have made in many places.  Of course, you can still go to private school or home school, build your own roads on private property, and build your own water and sewer systems.  No one is taking that freedom away.   When you throw the money in the pot the outcome is probably not perfect but that is what we choose to do.   That does not mean we shouldn’t advocate for better school, roads, etc. … just because they are commonly shared does not mean they need to be mediocre nor should we settle for that.   But inherently, commonly /public institution can not compete with privately funded and directed institutions.  So, I am into the free market / capitalist stuff but I continue to point out that public schools, paid for by pooled public money are for ALL the public and administrator are suppose to ensure they get the maximum society  not individual benefit from that investment.

That wasn't the question, you are confusing to me.

"Second, many people here would consider putting all your money in a pot to shared equally socialism or communism since it rewards the poor and laggards so be careful. "

What "many people", who do you hang around with? the Communist Party? And you keep outwardly championing the poor, now you warn against them and include "laggards". Isn't this contradictory to your spoken beliefs?

You are going to argue that playing the stock market or inheriting stock is more valuable than earning a salary?

This is money already taxed when it is withdrawn or when it is transferred.  Did you know that the US has one of the highest rates on capital gains? China is only 10%! (and they are communist). Besides stocks carry considerable risk as we see today. You must make that risk attractive or nobody will invest and create more jobs, thus providing more tax income. Believe it or not the lower CG rate results in higher tax revenue.

 I prefer to use net worth since many high income people are seriously in debt and wealth poor.

Why would you prefer to use this if you don't consider confiscation of wealth? What difference does it make if you only tax consumption, it's a free country...you have the right to be stupid and overextend, just don't expect the government (that's us) to bail you out (at least that's the way it use to be). So I don't think you answered my question.

 

 

 

BOEers may be grooming

BOEers may be grooming people but those people are probably planning to distance themselves from former BOEers at least in public. Behind closed doors to get party cash they will drag that former BOE around.

It would not surprise me at

It would not surprise me at all if any of the BOE candidates who don't run are already grooming their replacements. That's what has happened in most of the recent races it seems.

Geeky--I don't dislike Horace, but I have to admit that 'horacescope' is pretty funny. :-)

Let me get this straight....

Lori Millberg:

(1) is up for re-election this fall
(2) wants to prevent families in her district (she represents a lot of eastern Wake County) from going to magnet schools.

I've seen a lot of politically dumb moves in my time, but this one takes the cake.

Lori Millberg is not running.

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/millberg-not-seeking-another-term

Already knows she would not win.

Don't count on it!

I agree she has ZERO chance of winning, but don't believe a THING that poo's out of her mouth.  Wait until after July and if she doesn't file to run THEN you can breathe a sigh of long overdue relief!

Eleanor Goettee has also

Eleanor Goettee has also said she is not running.  I'd be surprised if Patti Head runs given the way she has thrown the Leesville parents under the bus.

Horace Tart seems so out of touch with parents in his district that perhaps he will run again thinking he has their support.

 

Again, I hope you are correct

as for Horace, his "horacescope" says he has ZERO chance of winning another round of "screw 'em and poo 'em" down here in good ole boy D2.  We are working hard to expose his truth and will continue to do so until the polls close October 6th!!

Forest Gump could run and get more votes than Patti Head in drag this time!

I do fully expect he will run.  He's voting with Ron on some issues now and attempting to set himself up as the "change" candidate."  But, his constituents certainly know better.  The only change taking place in district 2 will be the boe rep change this fall!

Read your "horacescope" Horace, it says IT IS OVER!

even if Patti doesn't, rumor

even if Patti doesn't, rumor has it she's been "grooming" someone, you know kinda like Stepford Wives?  Well the Stepford BoE(eR) really ..."It can also be used to criticise any person, male or female, who submits meekly to authority and/or abuse; or even to describe someone who lives in a robotic, conformist manner"

I hope it is one of the 6

I hope it is one of the 6 Leesville parents who tried to claim *bigger picture 4 WCPSS* by cloning WCPSS' website.  All they proved was that they are a group of 6 people who have a selfish outlook on school assignment with absolutely no concern for the true big picture.  That would be a sure loss for Patti but fun to witness.

Do you know who this person might be Angela? 

Hmm...

"been grooming"?  This picture comes to mind whenever I hear about a politician grooming another politician: http://www.chimphaven.com/images/grooming_friendssm.JPG

If she is grooming somebody (which seems likely), that person better have a tough stomach because this is not going to be an easy campaign for him/her to win.

And his name just might be

Chris Decker!

You might be on to

You might be on to something.  I have the *Bigger Picture 4 WCPSS* members list and that name is on it.  Does she have kids in Leesville schools?

uh, he's a he and no, not

uh, he's a he and no, not Leesville schools, runs/used to the support WCPSS blog but there has been next to nothing going on there....wait until closer to the election then all that stuff support WCPSS, and Wake Ed, and those ilk will fire up again.....

because that would expose

because that would expose this for what it truly is....a social engineering project that has NOTHING to do with EDUCATION and everything to do with percentages and avoiding more Title I schools!

Approval of Supplemental Educational Services Providers for 2008-09 (GCS 1) - Supplemental educational services providers for the 2008-09 school year were approved. NCLB requires eligible students attending Title I schools in the second year of school improvement (failed to make Adequate Yearly Progress for three years) to receive supplemental educational services paid with Title I funds.

Why don't they tell families

Why don't they tell families that those assigned to schools in rounds 4 and 5 are no longer eligible to apply for magnet schools? This seems to be exactly what Lori Millberg is asking for.

Have some guts and tell families that students assigned to these schools in rounds 4 and 5 are not from the "right schools" so they can't go to magnet schools.

I wonder what parents would think of that... At least it would be more honest to say you cannot get in a magnet instead of claiming you have an infinitesimally small chance of getting a seat.

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