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Is it time to fill all of Wake County's magnet seats by random lottery?

That's the position articulated at last week's school board meeting by Jennifer Mansfield, a longtime critic of the magnet selection process and a leader of the Wake Schools Community Alliance. She urged the board to eliminate the guidelines which give priority to applicants from crowded schools.

Mansfield argued that the crowding component should be removed to give applicants an equal shot of getting accepted. Currently, only 10 percent of seats are randomly filled but even that comes with some strings that I'll get into later in the post.

Before last year, the school system used magnet selection criteria designed to give priority to applicants from crowded and low F&R schools. But as part of the community schools directive passed in March, socioeconomic status was dropped from the magnet and year-round application process.

The result is that school capacity is king, once you factor in siblings. Before any seats are filled, siblings are placed automatically. Some magnet schools will have few openings this year once the siblings are placed.

Last year's criteria had the first two rounds favor applicants wanting to leave base schools that are at 95 percent of capacity. Round three drops to 90 percent and round four falls to 85 percent.

The rationale is that one of the objectives of the magnet program is to maximize use of school facilities. The idea has been to get students out of crowded schools in the suburbs into what would probably be an underenrolled school if not for the magnet program.

As before 10 percent of seats are randomly filled. But Laura Evans, senior director of growth and planning, told members of the school board's student assignment committee in June something about the how the 10 percent of seats are filled that may not be so widely known.

Evans explained that the 10 percent is filled only from applicants who don't fall within the first four rounds. They're called non-priority applicants.

What happens, Evans said, is they go as deep as they can in the first four rounds to fill the 90 percent of seats. But if that 90 percent is filled very quickly, you're out of luck, especially if you're in round 3 or 4. It's possible a really popular magnet school will fill up the non-random seats within the first two or three rounds.

Let's imagine you're a round 4 applicant at a base school that's between 85 and 90 percent of capacity. You won't be considered at all when they randomly fill the 10 percent of seats. So you have to hope that the other 90 percent of seats aren't filled in the first three rounds to have a shot of getting into the magnet program.

Evans said they only fill the random seats by people who aren't in the first four rounds so as not to lessen the chances for the non-priority applicants.

Eric Blau, who was on the student assignment committee at the time, said the guidelines meant that the people applying from schools at less than 85 percent of capacity could have a better chance than the Round 4 people.

School board member Anne McLaurin countered that Round 4 people could have a greater chance of getting into some magnet schools that the non-priority people.

Blau replied that the problem is people don't know how many other people have applied so don’t know what their odds are of getting accepted.

Jumping ahead in time to last week's public comment session, Mansfield gave reasons for why the crowding numbers shouldn't be used.

Mansfield cited how the Daniels Middle School parents successfully lobbied the school board out of reassigning 97 of 170 students into the school by citing cafeteria crowding. Mansfield said Wake's figures would show that Daniels isn't crowded.

Mansfield also brought up how Wakefield High wouldn't be considered crowded because of all the classroom trailers.

Mansfield then pointed to how applicants trying to leave year-round schools are hurt by the crowding figures. She said that half of the schools that would fall into the random 10 percent category are underutilized year-round schools.

Click here to view the crowding figures that would likely be used to fill magnet schools this year.

School board members haven't indicated whether they'd make any changes. The magnet application period starts Feb. 21. But as last year showed, the board can always change the selection guidelines after the application period ends.

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Just an FYI--I posted which

Just an FYI--I posted which base schools will qualify for which round of the magnet lottery if Wake keeps the same crowding criteria as last year.

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Why should siblings get

Why should siblings get priority? It should be enough that one kid per family gets private education funded by taxpayers.

should the same hold true for charter schools siblings?

I see your point, but unsure if I agree.

I can understand the

I can understand the siblings because you don't want families with kids in 2 different schools when they could be in 1 school.  But I see your point too.

Hmm...

Before any seats are filled, siblings are placed automatically.

And before that, people who were in the magnet program the previous year are placed automatically.  That ought to be looked at as well.  I don't have much of an issue with Ligon 6th graders automatically going onto Ligon 7th grade then Ligon 8th grade.  But, I do when Ligon 8th graders automatically go onto Enloe 9th.

My feeling is that if you went to magnet school in middle school, you ought to give somebody else a chance.

The one that gets me is that

The one that gets me is that base families at elem magnets get priority for any magnet middle and then middle to high.  Basically if you have enough money you can buy your way into the magnet programs since several of these magnet schools are located in very nice, very expensive neighborhoods.

jenman, if you are implying

jenman, if you are implying that these rich people in their very expensive homes that are in the base assignment area of the magnets (in the very expensive neighborhoods) have a free ride to MS and HS magnets, I think you may be incorrect.  I believe that the base students at a magnet school do not have "magnet status" and do not automatically qualify for entrance into the magnet MS / HS.  They have to apply just like everybody else, with no magnet status priority.

I didn't say 'rich

I didn't say 'rich people'.  Not everybody who has an expensive house is 'rich'.  I've met a few people who struggle with bills and are house poor so they can live in the base for a magnet school.  

For years other schools have struggled to attract their base students, but when asked if they could become a magnet, the answer was "No because it will hurt the schools downtown.  Not enough of 'you' will apply to go downtown".  When some of those magnet schools are located in very expensive neighborhoods and have F&Rs in the mid to upper 20s, there is a problem.  Dillard Drive, Reedy Creek, York, Fox Road, Creech Road, Barwell Road (not much creativity in the names, is there?)--I'm sure they would all love to have the extra funds and resources that come with a magnet program. 

Even back in the boom days, before we were dealing with drastic budget cuts, the rest of us were expected to sacrifice to help the magnet schools.  I'd say that most of us were fine with a little sacrifice because we were under the impression that we were helping schools and students in very high poverty, run down areas.  To find out that we've been sacrificing so people living in nice middle to upper class neighborhoods can have those programs at their neighborhood school is more than a little frustrating. 

It's not about wanting to stick it to 'rich' people.  It's about limited resources and wanting those resources to be spread out in a fair manner. 

I clarified the priorities

I clarified the priorities below.  I find it funny that some people argue that you shouldn't be able to 'buy your way in' to good schools like Green Hope, Davis Drive, or Brassfield when the exact same thing is happening at some of these magnet schools.  Not only that, but we've specifically set it up that way.  I know that was not the original intention of those magnets and that's not how it was when they were first established, but that's what has happened. 

Not sure that's correct. We

Not sure that's correct. We are base at a magnet ES and our MS & HS bases are non-magnet. We could not apply for magnet status at the ES we attend (although we could apply if we wanted to attend another magnet elementary). It's my understanding that we'll have to apply for magnet status if we decide to go that route for middle school. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

You are correct that you do

You are correct that you do not have magnet status right now even though you are at a magnet school.  And you will have to apply for a magnet seat for middle and high (even magnet students have to apply for the next level of seat). BUT, you have priority over everybody else applying from a non-magnet middle school because you are base at your magnet elem.  You have to be at your magnet base elem for 3rd, 4th, & 5th grades to qualify for this priority.

I just looked up the criteria again and I was mistaken about one thing.  You only have priority if you are continuing in the same program. So base at Farmington Woods (for 3rd, 4th & 5th) has priority for the IB middle school but not for the AG/GT (or any other program) middle schools.  I am sorry for the confusion. 

AG at Ligon & Carnage:  1) Magnet and AG at Hunter or Fuller 2) magnet and AG at Powell, Washington, Wiley, Underwood  3) Base at Fuller, Hunter, Powell, Washington, Wiley & Underwood for 3rd, 4th & 5th and AG  4) AG magnet student from any other magnet

GT at Ligon, Carnage, Martin & Zebulon:  1) Magnet at Fuller, Hunter, Powell, Washington, Wiley, Underwood, & Zebulon  2) Base at Fuller, Hunter, Powell, Washington, Wiley, Underwood, Wendell (not sure why they are not in the 1st round), & Zebulon for 3rd, 4th, & 5th grades  3) Magnet students from all other magnets

IB at E Millbrook & E Garner:  1) Magnet at Millbrook, Farmington Woods, Smith & Joyner  2) Base at the same schools for 3rd, 4th & 5th grades  3) magnet students from any other magnet schools

Creative Arts at E Millbrook:  1) Magnet at Bugg, Douglas & Wendell 2) Base at Bugg, Douglas & Wendell for 3rd, 4th, 5th  3) Magnet students from any other magnet school.

Moore Square:  1) Magnet at Brentwood, Brooks, Conn, Partnership & Poe  2) Base at Brentwood, Brooks, Conn, Partnership & Poe for 3rd, 4th, & 5th  3)All other magnet students

Centennial:  1) Magnet at Brentwood, Combs, & Conn  2) Base at Brentwood, Combs & Conn for 3rd, 4th & 5th  3) All other magnet students

 

I am not sure, but aren't we

I am not sure, but aren't we saying the same thing?  You do not have "magnet status" right now.  When you move on to MS, you will have to apply like everybody else.  (even current magnet students).  I am just not sure where in the priority list (as it currently stands) your application would be processed.  

Magnet Priority for base students

The way the magnet office explained it at our magnet ES is that the base students at the magnet school have no priority when applying to a magnet middle school unless they are applying to continue along the same magnet pathway (IB, GT etc). In that case they would have priority.  

Yes, sorry, I meant my reply

Yes, sorry, I meant my reply to be to Jenman. We are saying the same thing. ;-)

That being said, in looking

That being said, in looking at the numbers of acceptances and denials, the applicants from the base of magnet schools had, on average, a 60% acceptance rate.  Which is higher than the county-wide rate of 50%.

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Huh?

So, are you saying that base populations do not have priority in staying in the magnet program? I know jenman was referring to the high income neighborhoods - but that would also apply to the base-assigned low-income neighborhoods. Is this just another example of how the "magnet status" students (suburban) get priority to the magnet goodies over base-assigned magnet students?

That was my understanding,

That was my understanding, but that is why I said "I think".  I cannot find anything written yet.  I do believe that if the students enter the magnet program (such as the IB program) then they do have priority, but not all students do that.  (the IB program requires certain courses are taken and commitment to the program, kind of like declaring a major).  I am looking for the docs I was looking at earlier today.

The one that gets me is that

The one that gets me is that base families at elem magnets get priority for any magnet middle and then middle to high.  Basically if you have enough money you can buy your way into the magnet programs since several of these magnet schools are located in very nice, very expensive neighborhoods.

But you are going to have the last laugh and screw them, right .... they really should not have that big house anyway ... so we'll take the magnet program away and make them go to private school ... we'll show those rich bastards.

So you are for proximity

So you are for proximity assignment (in some situations regarding magnet students) but not for school equity if it means fair access to magnet schools. Does that pretty much sum it up?

I am just making light of

I am just making light of this constant whining that some one has something I don't ... an orchestra, a second language, a dance teacher, etc.  and the beef against ITB folks is that they are rich, have a bigger house and get to go a magnet sometimes which we find out is not true .. plus they are commie, pinko lefties which make them th sworn enemy of the new gods on the board... what does any of that have to do with education or achievement ... leave people's house size out of it ...

Dear Mrs. User, Please give

Dear Mrs. User, Please give Mr. User his med's, he has started defending the affluent after months of trashing them. Obviously he is in need of his med's to bring him back to normalcy well errr what is considered normal for him. Thanks.

How about we make this a 2'fer

Is it time to fill all of Wake County's empty year round seats by random lottery, before we cut one teacher's position?
 

Just want to clarify my

Just want to clarify my comments about Wakefield High.  At the assignment work session, Laura Evans said that it looks like WHS is under capacity right now, but that they have plans to repurpose some of the empty trailers that are on campus.  They are moving them elsewhere.  She didn't say when but she did imply that they would not be using those trailers at WHS anytime soon.

They are counting the capacity of those trailers even though they have no intention of using them, which if fine.  But they shouldn't count that capacity against the students who apply to a magnet high school.

I would like to add something to this proposal JenMan

Weigh entry of the all students, including ED students in the base population based on academic progress. Initial entry at first grade would be open to all, but students that are not making progress, having disciplinary problems, a history of not doing assignments will be removed to traditional schools. This will provide everyone that goes to these schools incintive to do well. In addition, the schools would less likely be the "two schools in one" like  they are now. After third grade, ED students from the base area (priority) and other areas (by lottery with locational weighing) could compete based on grades and/or CogAT results. The proportion of ED students, not competing in the general lottery should remain constant. I believe you would have a much better result with ED students if you did this. It would also give certain ED students greater opportunity as a reward for hard work.

The truth: Poverty and/or non-white color skin color does not the student is unable to excel in academics. Given the right environment they have the potential to be the best. In one small black male school of 600 (low income area and with no IQ entry requirement) in Louisiana was able to produce 20 percent of the winners of the National Merit Scholorships in the first twenty years (1955-1975) in the history of that state. It can be done!

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"...but students that are not making progress, having disciplinary problems, a history of not doing assignments will be removed to traditional schools."

OMG.

Well, let's hope no student has to go through a divorce, or death, or a loss of their home, or some other uncontrollable circumstance that would affect their performance and/or behavior.

Emotions aside Sideburns

I would never advocate a program like this that wouldn't allow the parents (or even the student) plead their case before some sort of panel. Minor setbacks for the issues you highlighted would be taken in account. Failure to progress,etc. would be based on trends and warnings would be given. Students would only be asked to return to traditional schools at the end of the school year if they failed to improve. These are precious resources and need to be focused on those we can do the most good for. Not every ED will have this opportunity and I am sure others will be standing in line to take their place. It isn't like they are being punished, only not rewarded afterall.

Am I missing something here? You make it sound like I'm being mean to some kids going through difficulties outside their control. 

This "board" you propose is

This "board" you propose is exactly the reason you complain about magnet seats. It invites an image of prejudice, especially when the board is deciding basically how well the parent can handle themselves in front of the panel. The child should not be burdened because the parent throws a fit in front of a selection commitee.

That's your opinion - Andrew

I have sat on several similar boards in the military, albeit not with parents. The bulk of the decision is already made, the only thing a parent or child can bring to the attention of the board is mitigating circumstances that may sway the board's decision. The family's demeanor to the board if they wish to attend should have little relevance. Remember, the child and his family might have had several warnings. I don't know how this invites the image of prejudice since a paper trail is there and the replacement student will be from the same economic strata or in open lottery depending what group the student was selected from.  The child will be only sent back to traditional school; it is not a punishment, only the loss of a reward. You imply the student is being harmed.

It is nobody's right to go to a magnet school, it voluntary and totally within the scope of fairness to expect certain standards.

Schools are not the

Schools are not the military, with the exception of academies and such. You can't expect every student to perform at theri best, lest they be sent to a different school. This will further separate the magnet vs. traditional schools, creating extremely competitive magnet schools and low performing traditonal schools. What possible good comes of that?

Who said best? Andrew95

I said that they showed progress and were behaved and did their homework. Wow have we sunk that low to expect less, no worder our school system is having problems. Andrew95 with your attitude nothing will change. How will this make magnets so competitive? It would still be a lottery, only once in you have to make the best of it, that's all. Nothing more than that.

Because in instead of trying

Because in instead of trying to help a low performing child (who could be that way for a multitude of reasons that may or may not be able to be helped), you would send them to another school. That would turn the magents into hubs of great kids, (which is okay), but it would force the brunt of the low performing, disadvantaged kids on the traditional schools (which have less funding). Again, how is that good?

but ...

VOR -- are you imagining that a first grader would be incentivized to do well in school with the argument "do well and we'll make you change schools?" First of all, children don't think ahead like that and secondly does that sound like an argument that kids would respond to? Besides, what message are you sending to traditional schools and their student if you make magnet schools some kind of reward for good behavior?

After third grade

You are correct about first grade. However by third grade you should have an idea. The incentive though is to the parents as a reward to be able to send their children to this school. Yes some children will fall through the magnet crack, but will not be left out in the cold. The tradition school will be equiped to help and the child will be given the opportunity to succeed at that school. The only thing lost is the "Magnet Lottery Loot",so to speak. I do believe this is fair to everyone. After all it does give another child a chance. It would not deprive any child of anything that the majority of students get.

Why not a comprehensive review first?

Why not do a comprehensive review of the magnet program before changing it?   Or is no review needed and it should just be scrapped?   Or, as listed here, does the program just need a change in the entry criteria?   A comprehensive review could identify several changes which could be implemented at once.  For instance, why change the entry criteria this year, if a review suggests scrapping the whole program or making wholesale changes to the program in a year or two? 

Why not wait until a full

Why not wait until a full review is done?  Because Kindergarten is the gateway year, as well as 6th & 9th to a much lesser extent.  If a Kindergartener applies for a magnet this year and doesn't get in, their chances are greatly decreased the following years. I forsee few changes to the most popular magnet programs.  The AG and GT programs will likely remain the same, and those are the most coveted seats.  If we wait another year, we'll have another group of students not getting a fair chance of getting in. 

Some people advocated waiting to remove SES as a factor until 'next year' when we have a new assignment plan in the works.  Well, that hasn't happened yet and likely won't happen for at least anothe year.  Any changes to the magnet program are not going to be implemented next year because people will have already applied to programs before the review is even begun. 

I cannot stress how important it is to get in at the gateway years.  Once you miss those years it is very difficult to get in. 
 

There is not agreement

Of course there are gateways.    BUT  there is no agreement as yet as to whether people want to dismantle magnets altogether and allocate the budget to all schools or whether to make lesser changes.   There are many here who argue to eliminate the magnet program altogether.   If you change the entry requirements and then subsequently dismantle the program, how have you helped those who newly enter the system?   How is that any different than any other repeated reassignment which apparently did so much damage amongst the non-magnet schools?    Why assume the GT magnet will remain the same?   Popular or not, it seems to be among the highest expenses in terms of resources?    Is continued expense on an expensive GT program justified?   Especially when schools like York come up with cost-effective magnet programs but happen to be in an area with a potential for significant economic improvement?

Of course there are

Of course there are gateways.    BUT  there is no agreement as yet as to whether people want to dismantle magnets altogether and allocate the budget to all schools or whether to make lesser changes.   There are many here who argue to eliminate the magnet program altogether.   If you change the entry requirements and then subsequently dismantle the program, how have you helped those who newly enter the system?   How is that any different than any other repeated reassignment which apparently did so much damage amongst the non-magnet schools?    Why assume the GT magnet will remain the same?   Popular or not, it seems to be among the highest expenses in terms of resources?    Is continued expense on an expensive GT program justified?   Especially when schools like York come up with cost-effective magnet programs but happen to be in an area with a potential for significant economic improvement?

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It's not up to 'us' to determine what happens with the magnet schools.  I'm 99.9% confident that the minority 4 will not vote to abolish magnets.  I'm also fairly confident that Goldman won't vote to get rid of magnets altogether either.  Amongst the other 4, I don't think any of them would vote to completely get rid of the magnets either, but it wouldn't matter because the other 5 would have the majority.

If there are any changes to the magnet program, they will be phased in, so students who get in even at the last minute will still get the benefits of the magnets.   We know for sure that they are going to take magnet applications this year, so why not make it a true lottery right now?  Any changes made to any magnet programs will not be implemented next year.  What is the harm in allowing all WCPSS students to have an equal chance? 

I don't think the GT/AG programs will see major changes because the parents and the programs are too politically powerful.  But again, even if they are changed, we are doing a lottery anyway.  Why not make it fair?  Using your arguments, we just shouldn't admit anybody else to the magnets because they might change or be gone the following year.

York could still offer most, or all, of the components of their proposed magnet program beginning next year.  They wouldn't be a magnet, but it could boost their school.  If there are no extra funds being given to them and they aren't offering something that nobody else is allowed to have, then I don't see why they can't start working on that improvement now.  Perhaps they can be the model for other schools to follow.

Already on it!

York is planning to make some of the global leadership and integrated science curriculum additions for 2011-12, but what we really need is more kids to boost our school. The bottom line is that at 72% of capacity, we are operating inches above the water line and have plenty of room. Our PTA is struggling to meet the needs of our staff and students, and we saw magnet students as a way to get those needs met without having to reassign any of our base.

Still, our principal is going ahead with the curriculum plans and the staff is energized and united behind this theme, or approach, or idea... Whatever you want to call it! Key takeaway: if you know anyone in York's base, please have them come check us out. :)

I guess the Massengill do

I guess the Massengill do not compete rules don't have to be followed after all.  All other schools should follow suit.

I agree.  When it gets to

I agree.  When it gets to the point where York has to go out and do this for themselves, then I say forget the 'rules'. 

So happy that York is going through with this. 

Compete? Hardly.

We are doing all we can with absolutely no additional resources, so no, I don't think anyone would expect it to be on par with a magnet program.

No, it won't be on par with

No, it won't be on par with a magnet school until it gets that same level of funding and infusion of application students via magnet lottery.  In the meantime, they thought of a way to improve their school by making it more desireable for a moderate investment.  They will make their own school more desireable to them and others.  It is too bad that the timing of the magnet review and the recent votes didn't go in their favor.  But I am happy to see the principal and administrators "buck" the system and do what they deem best even if it goes against the current "rules" that are less concrete to some administrators than to others.  I look at this move from the perspective that Whatever plan comes next will be more of a voluntary choice type model and you need to make your school look and be attractive to potential students.  Ultimately the system should choose the themes for the schools but if they have the skillset in a certain area they wish to highlight--than go for it!

It didn't seem to me like

It didn't seem to me like the parents of students in the GT/AG programs were very politically powerful in the 2009 BOE or the 2010 BOC elections.  Seems like the parents with magnet envy are the politically powerful ones now.  I believe the parents of magnet students actually feel pretty powerless right now.

People have other reasons

People have other reasons for question the mangnet program beyond "magnet envy."  I see magnets as costing a lot of money to run so that a "diverse" environment can be created where the ED/Minority kids derive no academic benefit.  I would rather see the money that goes into the programs instead be spent on initiatives that specifically target ED/Minority academic achievement.  We don't to spend mone on AP Japanese IV at my son's school while ED/Minority students continue to fail out at an alarming rate.

I truly don't see magnets

I truly don't see magnets going away.  It isn't magnet envy--it is wanting all of our students to have equal access to those programs.  It is also about the policies forbidding non-magnet schools from offering anything that could be perceived as competing with the magnets.  It is fine for magnets to offer things that we can't afford to offer to everybody, but the balance has gotten way out of whack.  The offerings at base schools are not adequate, and it is very evident at the middle school level.

Nobody talked about the magnets until some of the antics and speeches of magnet supporters and students--they weren't on anybody's radar.  Frankly, they put the target on themselves.  Not all magnet families by any means, but a small minority gave the rest a bad name. 

They might feel powerless, but magnets hold a tremendous amount of power in this system. 

Offerings at base schools not adequate

The offerings at base schools are not adequate, and it is very evident at the middle school level.
 
 
Can you share the basis of the claim.  I looked at a number of  schools districts and our base schools have at least or better offerings. RM's former district only offers 9 AP classes at the high school.  When we lived in MA the middle schools did not have school funded sports programs and the cirricula is the same as it is here.
 
By the way people talk of how deprived our base schools are you would think we were in some third world country.   
 
 

Bob mentioned MS foreign

Bob mentioned MS foreign language offerings. 

Middle schools are only allowed to offer one elective per term.

New high schools don't have orchestra.  Also just found out that Sanderson doesn't have an orchestra--was quite surprised at that.

Some middle schools have cut orchestra.

No elementary school band or orchestra. 

I believe that you've said your children are at magnets because the academic rigor just wasn't there at your base.

I don't have experience at the HS level yet, but Knightdale and East Wake are both seriously lacking in their offerings compared to the other WCPSS high schools.

Very few elem schools offer any foreign language and then it is not allowed to be any sort of leveled program.  Interesting enough, the WCPSS website says "Most Wake County students may choose to study a second language in the third grade and continue through the twelfth grade."  I called this to the attention of several people in WCPSS at least 4 years ago and they still haven't changed it. 

On paper

 "Most Wake County students may choose to study a second language in the third grade and continue through the twelfth grade."   

That statement reminds me of the promises they make about the AG programs. It looks great on paper, but the programs in most cases are very substandard,

Comparisons to other districts please

Comparisons to other districts please.  Please also take into account that it appears some of our principals have elected to eliminate certain classes - for example Foreign Language in exchange for something else. 

Some middle schools have cut orchestra and new high schools do not have orchestra - is this a mandate or a choice.  I am not sure how "new" HS is defined, but if it is in reference to Heritage it wold not be s surprise as there are only 2 grades there. 

MA ranks high nationally in student achievement - Elementary schools have one period of music per week. No band or orchestra and no foreign languages.

 Knightdale and East Wake are seriously lacking - perhaps compared to other wcpss schools but not compared to other districts. I lived in Needham MA before moving here.  Needham is viewed as having one of the best school districts in MA. The HS offers 10 AP classes. 

I would like to see a curriculum comparison between wcpss and other school districts. I think we will find that we are more than competitive and most likely spending money on "electives" and offerings that do not matter. Money that could be redirected elsewhere. 

So...

[. . .] new high schools do not have orchestra - is this a mandate or a choice.

Mandate.  A few years ago, the school board made the decision not to open strings programs at new high schools.

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