The new N.C. School Report Cards are out with 2008-09 school year data.
Since these report cards have been used in the past to compare Wake and Charlotte-Mecklenburg, let's revisit the issue again. Wake gets less money and does better overall than CMS, but CMS does better among several subgroups.
Let's start with test results.
Looking at the percentage of kids who passed both the reading and math end-of-grate exams, Wake's overall passing rate is 70.3 percent. It's 63.5 percent in CMS.
But interestingly, CMS now has a slightly higher EOG passing rate among white students with 86.8 percent. It's 86.4 percent in Wake.
But Wake does better overall because it has fewer minority and low-income students than CMS.
Looking at some other CMS subgroups, the EOG passing rate was 47.9 percent for black students, 51.7 percent for Hispanic students, 46.7 percent for economically disadvantaged students, 38.6 percent for limited English proficient students and 29.8 percent for students with disabilities.
In Wake, it was 45.2 percent for black students, 46.9 percent for Hispanic students, 43.9 percent for economically disadvantaged students, 35.4 percent for limited English proficient students and 35.7 percent for students with disabilities.
On the flip side, defenders of Wake's diversity policy argue th district gets less money than Charlotte. They say it will cost more money to move to a system of neighborhood schools.
According to the report cards, CMS got $337.17 more overall per student. It was $8,619.34 in CMS and $8.282.17 in Wake.
Looking just at local dollars, CMS got $77.14 more per student than Wake. It was $2,533.90 per student in CMS and $2,456.76 per student in Wake.
Making up that $77.14 would cost an additional $10.8 million dollars in local spending.
CORRECTION
Corrected CMS overall passing rate on both EOG exams to 63.5 percent.
Comments
Also, Do you (L'user)
Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:35 — shearertwAlso,
Do you (L'user) realize that Raleigh (located in Wake Co.) is tied for 2nd as one of the most educated cities in the entire US? Perhaps that may help WCPSS's scores a bit having highly educated parents at home....
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departments/elearning/?article=educatedcities
Mr. Hui - from where did the 60.5% for CMS come?
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 20:36 — TrailerParkGirlWhen I look at both the reading and math for CMS, it looks to be 63.5
You're right. It's a typo on
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 21:24 — KeungHui (author)You're right. It's a typo on my part.
"Looking at the percentage
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 20:01 — user12345"Looking at the percentage of kids who passed both the reading and math end-of-grate exams, Wake's overall passing rate is 70.3 percent. It's 60.5 percent in CMS."
Anti-diversity folks picked a real winner to model Wake after. If we can drop 10 point and add more money per students we can be a failure too.
Pfft...
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 22:33 — Bob_SconceSo, first of all, you're the only person talking about modeling Wake after CMS. CMS is interesting only because it's a counterexample to Wake's "look how good our diversity policy is working" garbage.
Second of all, if anybody failed their math EOGs, it would have been you -- you know that F&R students do worse on their EOGs than non-F&R. Since CMS has a lot of F&R students, CMS's average score is worse. But, the scores of practically every subgroup is the better in CMS.
Speaking of real winners, Genius
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 21:00 — TrailerParkGirlI couldn't get back to the exact composite, but came close.
The primary reason that CMS' overall score is lower is due to the difference in demographics, but you should know that by now. The secondary reason is that WCPSS does better with NED students. CMS on the other hand does better with ED students. See achievement gap difference. I ran a scenerio to see what would happen if the demographics were switched around, but the respective demographics performed the same. CMS would be ahead. WCPSS would still do slightly better than CMS actual because of the NED performance difference.
Also, you might want to check out the trend graphs for WCPSS compared to state before you spout off.
yeah
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 21:18 — MorrisVMorrisThat shows why you want to limit the black population. They only dilute the numbers.
What is your problem?
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 22:45 — TrailerParkGirlA) you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
B) where do you see the word "black" anywhere in my post? ED stands for economically disadvantaged and they come in all colors. It matters not to me what color they are, I care about all of them.
C) how many times have I harped on the fact I have a problem with the fact that WCPSS has the largest achievement gap in NC because they are not doing well educating ED students?
D) It would be the status quo that wants to dilute the numbers with bussing and repeated reassignments, not to mention the homegrown WCPSS evaluation system, to hide their numbers.
Troll...
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 23:40 — Bob_SconceMorrisVMorris occasionally appears here, nearly always with some incendiary racist remark like that. I haven't determined if he's actually a bigot or just a troll. In either case, he's not really worth responding to. Bigots and trolls both thrive on attention.
LOL ...you are an idiot.
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 20:47 — woodstockLOL ...you are an idiot. There are no "anti-diversity folks" and nothing is being modeled after CMS. There are so many real things to talk about, why do you resort to making things up?
Only the arrogant comment
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 20:31 — sstarksOnly the arrogant comment before reading the entire post. Or perhaps you just don't care about academic achievement for minority and high poverty kids.
If I'm reading the reports
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 18:32 — sstarksIf I'm reading the reports correctly CMS also had higher scores on high school End of Course tests for African Americans (64.7% for CMS, 58.5% for Wake), Hispanics (68.8% for CMS, 66.4% for Wake), and for Economically Disadvantaged (64.7% for CMS, 58.5% for Wake).
I would agree with the above poster, that difference in funding level probably reflects the higher number of high poverty kids in Charlotte. It would be interesting to hear Richard Kahlenburg's take on this (since he's quoted today in USA Today saying that Wake students have out performed their peers in other urban districts and thus should retain the diversity policy). Of course, it would also be interesting to hear what the current board has to say, as well as all of those supporters of the diversity plan.
Wow....
Mon, 11/02/2009 - 14:46 — Bob_SconceSo, basically CMS does....
Better among white students
Better among black students
Better among Hispanic students
Better among ED students
Better among LEP students
Worse among students with disabilities
Worse among non-ED students
The dollar difference is interesting, but we have to recognize that ED students are more expensive to educate, and CMS has a lot more of ED students than does Wake.
Charlotte's model may not be ideal, but it's doing a better job at achieving the goals of Wake's diversity policy than that policy is itself!