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Comic distraction: bring vs. take

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Sunday's "Rhymes With Orange" reminded me of the problems people have with "bring" and "take."

The comic strip carries the headline: Where the dove actually went. The panel shows a bird sitting at a bar and telling the bartender: "Another dry martini with olives, but this time leave the branch on so I can bring it to Noah." I'd edit the strip to have the bird say, "... take it to Noah."

Here is why: The bird is in one place and he's speaking about carrying the olive branch to another place. You take from the place you are to the place you're going. If Noah were speaking, he might tell the dove, "Bring me the olive branch." As Bryan A. Garner explains it, "bring suggests motion toward the writer or reader; it's analogous to come. Take denotes motion in the opposite direction; it's analogous to go."

Grammar Girl has a useful tip for remembering "bring" and "take." 

First, think of a restaurant where you can get food to go. It's often informally called getting "takeout." When you get takeout food, you're moving the food from your location — the restaurant — to somewhere else — a destination. And it's takeout food, not bring-out food. You're taking the food to a destination.

Second, if I'm sitting at home feeling lazy, wishing dinner would appear, I would say, "I wish someone would bring me dinner." I imagine Pat stopping at a restaurant and getting dinner to go. From my perspective, he is bringing me dinner because dinner is coming to my location.

As John McIntyre pointed out on his blog, You Don't Say, if the point of view of the speaker is irrelevant, either bring or take works. 

Postscrpit: If we think first of the dove being sent out from the ark, we could say that it would bring the olive branch back, but starting from the bar, it would take the olive branch.

Yes, I know: I am overthinking this. 

 

 

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It's confusing!

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This distinction baffles me.

This distinction baffles me. I see the point here - but it's not because the bird is going to Noah, it's because he's going to GIVE THE THING away once he gets there. I can bring something to the office quite easily (in my dialect), but it's not the same as taking it there.

thanks for sorting that out

I remember the Car Guys had a big debate about this years ago, about whether you take your car or bring your car to the mechanic. I always new I was right about it, but it was one of those things I could never quite formulate the words to describe. Now you have it.

 Over thinking, perhaps, but not pedantic.

legal language

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picky

It's not being picky if the writer could have gotten it right without making the language seem unnatural or stilted.

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Pam Nelson began her career as a writer in 1976 and has worked in various editing jobs at The News & Observer since 1987. She has won awards for her headline writing and has taught college classes in copy editing and seminars in grammar and usage.

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