I was mocked today because I had not voted yet. Evidently, early voting is now seen as a badge of informed, motivated citizenship, and us late, or as I liked to call us, "classic" voters, are now being cast as ..... what? Set in our ways, such that we prefer to exercise our franchise on Capital-E Election Day? Or maybe a little fuzzy in our thinking, because we can't make up our minds?
There are some of us out there who do not seethe at President Obama or curse at the thought of a President Romney. We are tossing and turning, depending on the day and sometimes the time of day.
Our political system and the current dialogue does not have much patience for us.
I occasionally patronize a web site called realclearpolitics.com, which gathers political commentary from around the nation and puts it in one convenient spot. But the only way that you are going to get on realclearpolitics.com is if you have a very distinctive point of view.
None of this "Well, on the one hand ...... and then on the other hand" stuff for RCP. It must be clear from the headline of your column or blog that you believe that:
1. President Obama is going down to defeat, that's a mortal lock, and he's the worst president since Millard Fillmore. Or Carter.
2. Mitt Romney is a lyin' liar who tells lotsa lies and he's going down to defeat, bet the house and the car on it.
3. Liberals are just the worst people ever. Ever.
4. Conservatives don't just want to throw Granny under the bus. They want to back the bus up and run over her a couple more times. And then give her a voucher.
There are people who don't get all worked up like this. I'm one of those people. I'm a registered Republican - you can look it up - but that's more a tribute to my grandfather and father and uncle, who were all Republican politicians in Massachusetts. I signed up that way in 1972 and have kept it that way. But I have never, in my admittedly hazy memory, voted straight party. And Republicans sometimes irritate the heck out of me, just as Democrats do. Neither party is, in truth, a particularly good fit for me.
I see things to like in President Obama. If that gets your blood up, well, so be it. He seems to be smart and he seems to think things through. I believe he genuinely cares about ordinary folks, and feels like the game is usually rigged against them, and so government is supposed to provide a counter-weight against the bad guys. He hasn't had stuff handed to him. He could have gone to a big Chicago or New York law firm and made a gazillion dollars, but he chose to work in Chicago neighborhoods helping folks with no friends in high places. So I think he understands what a lot of people are going through.
And another thing. He strikes me as being rather normal, which is unusual for a president. in my lifetime, I have seen some crazy weird characters in the Oval Office. Richard Nixon, who was a pretty effective president, had a monster mean streak and astonishing disregard for the Constitution. Lyndon Johnson hid an entire war from the American people until we were in too deep, desperately fearful that he would be accused of "losing" South Viet Nam. I have seen what happens when such men get enormous power, and I never worry about President Obama that way.
But watching him for four years, I realize what I should have known all along, which is that he didn't come into office with any feel for running a big operation. He has probably learned a thing or two, I'll give him that.
But he isn't a good negotiator. I don't think he enjoys the back and forth, or the sheer work. He strikes me as the type of person I have encountered, someone who makes what they think is a great argument, and then expects everyone to sign on to it. That's not how things happen in organizations. Getting buy-in is hard work and has to be done on a retail basis. Lyndon Johnson was great at this, on the domestic front. He just had a lot of other issues that wrecked his presidency. President Obama is more like Jimmy Carter in this regard, a smart guy who thinks that smarts is enough.
The other concern I have is that I don't think he is very enthusiastic at all about American being energy independent. For my entire adult life, we have been hostage to energy-exporting countries that range from those who can barely tolerate us on their friendliest days to those who really hate us. We have it within our power to free ourselves from this extremely unattractive bunch of vendors, which would also, incidentally, sharply reduce our need to station aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf until the local oil wells run dry.
The president has talked about developing our energy resources, but I don't think his heart is in it, to tell the truth. A significant part of his base is made up of people who really, really don't like carbon, and so I get the feeling that the president often tiptoes around the energy subject and we won't hear much about it in a second term.
Gov. Romney, like President Obama, also has many thing to recommend him. (Other side of the hall is now getting its blood up.) One of them is not consistency. I don't particularly like the whole "Who are you going to believe: Me or your lyin' eyes?" aspect about his campaign. There is no question in my mind that he governed as a Massachusetts Republican. Surprisingly enough. Since he was governing in Massachusetts. So I start from the position that he doesn't have very strong convictions on the issues he has jumped around on. I am under no illusions that his "thinking has evolved."
As I said, I grew up in a Republican household in Massachusetts. Very few Republicans in the Bay State would get elected dog warden if they ran like North Carolina Republicans. (My late, sainted uncle was elected mayor of Newton, Mass., one of the most leftie-saturated places on the planet, in 1973 at the height of Watergate, one of the worst years ever for Republican candidates. I don't recall the word Republican ever appearing on any of his campaign materials.) So it was a foregone conclusion that Romney would, on the national stage, effectively blame what happened in Massachusetts on identity theft or something.
I don't like it. But is it enough to reject him? I don't know. Ronald Reagan wasn't exactly a model of ideological consistency when he made the leap from California to presidential politics, and he got a major pass from everyone on that, if memory serves. Of course, many Republicans worshipped Reagan from the git-go and virtually the whole party is merely 'meh' on Gov. Romney. If Gov. Romney doesn't win on Tuesday, on Wednesday he takes his place in the unloved, unvenerated Tom Dewey wing of the GOP pantheon, between the bust of Nelson Rockefeller and the portrait of another guy named Romney.
One of the problems that Mitt Romney has is that he reminds a lot of people of the guy who laid them off two or three jobs ago, and who didn't do it in person. Let someone from HR do it. He does not strike me as the kind of guy who lost a lot of sleep about the unpleasant things he had to do at Bain Capital. In the world in which he came up in - the sharp-creased business school world -- you are taught that the primary goal of management is to maximize shareholder value.
That is not the goal of government. In our mission/vision statement - The Declaration of Independence - the men who launched this great, enduring enterprise called America said that government existed to secure our creator-endowed rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Nothing about shareholder value.
What is admirable about Gov. Romney is that he is a phenomenal doer. He gets stuff done.
Anyone who has worked in a company knows that the organizational world divides into two kinds of people. The people who talk a good game, and the people who actually deliver. I believe that if I were Gov. Romney's boss and I assigned him a big project, that he would get it done without me having to keep him focused and on track. Deadlines would be met. Things would get done the way they were supposed to be done, and he would sweat the details. And without necessarily talking my ear off about all those details he had sweated.
I don't have that confidence about President Obama. Maybe he would get it done, maybe he wouldn't. Maybe I'd hear about how the other departments or managers weren't cooperating with him. Or about subordinates he had delegated to, who hadn't gotten things done. But it wasn't his fault, mainly.
It's not necessarily just because Gov. Romney has all these management skills that President Obama doesn't. It's some of that. But it is more a sense that Gov. Romney really digs in and gets engaged, and sees obstacles and overcomes them, and knows that's just how it is. And that President Obama really likes to hold meetings and give speeches, but doesn't like the more granular and really pain-in-the-neck stuff that is often the difference between success and failure. I get the sense that Gov. Romney keeps lists and President Obama has other people keep the lists.
So I have no doubt that Gov. Romney will come in with a fairly specific agenda and then work like the dickens to execute that agenda. I just am not sure I can say with confidence that the agenda he's pitching of late is the one that will come out of his jacket pocket on Jan. 20. He has a track record of changing things up. President Obama, for all his lack of engagement, is pretty consistent on what he wants, which is to help the little guy - even if some of the little guys may not want his help - and let the business school guys fend for themselves.
So we have two candidates who have real strengths and some real imperfections. The good news is that neither of them seems plagued by demons, and like I said, that hasn't been a given for Oval Office residents in my lifespan. And surely neither of them deserve all the trash that is talked about them, but that's politics, real clear, these days. And now we have four days left to decide, we band of late voters.
--Dan Barkin, senior editor


Comments
Character over Theory
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 10:04 — OutsourcedB4Can we all agree that for either candidate the plans, agenda, platform, "Day One" tasks, etc. are mainly theoretical? I say this because (for significant change at least) these proposals are implemented via legislation. Even if the Executive branch and both houses of the Legislative branch are in control of the same party, it's not a given that the President's plan is going to emerge exactly as he promised during a campaign.
If we agree on that, and it's my belief that these campaign platforms are just pie-in-the-sky theory in many cases, then I think you vote for the character of the candidate. Obama wins that contest if you agree with the analysis of Dan Barkin. There are a lot more 'little guys' who need protection - not to live a lazy life on someone else's dime but to simply be able to compete against the more powerful interests arrayed against them. Think mom-n-pop vs. Walmart; those small town retailers didn't want a handout, they just wanted a fair chance. Obama believes in them and that fair shot; Romney thinks they were the weaker company and his Romney/Ryan social darwinism will make the country more prosperous. Perhaps it would for businesses, but not for the 99% who aren't running the Walmarts of the world.
On a personal level, I've been outsourced. My friends were too; many of their jobs went offshore as well. The guys doing it looked and spoke just like Romney. If it hasn't happened to you, good and I hope in never does. But remember, if (or when) it does happen, the guy doing it has the same world view as the (R) candidate in this election.
Maybe You Shouldn't Have Majored in Phys Ed?
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 12:58 — fullcontactloverYour post evinces an astonishing ignorance of even high school level economics concepts.
1. In order for an economy to remain productive, firms must remain solvent. In order to remain solvent, firms must access the cheapest source of labor inputs available. Where the labor is located isn't relevant.
2. If your job was outsourced, it was undoubtedly a low skill position. Maybe you should have studied harder.
3. Point number one above states an economic fact of life. But economic facts don't exist in a static, isolated parallel universe. They exist in the real world. Outsourcing may have sucked for you, but it benefits those of us who remain perpetually employed by ensuring that, ceteris paribus, consumer prices remain as low as possible.
4. McDonald's is currently hiring at more than 95 percent of its franchises. I suggest you stop whining and go grab that minimum wage. The latter evil ensures that you'll earn more than you're worth and will give you a reason to roll out of bed before noon.
Unbecoming
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 16:16 — DeepThinkPlease don't be condescending. It's unbecoming and does not allow any thinking person to hear you.
My Condescending Tone
Mon, 11/05/2012 - 00:39 — fullcontactloverUpon further review, I agree that my post was more than a little snarky. Henceforth, I will adopt your advice.
On character
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 16:20 — DeepThinkI agree completely that Presidents learn a lot on their first day in office that changes what their plan has to be. I have respected the fact the Obama did not get out of Iraq as fast as he said he would, or close Gitmo. Not because I don't think we should have gotten out of Iraq or closed Gitmo, but because the nuances of governing showed up and he showed evidence of ongoing learning. It would also be true for Romney.
One of my BIG BEEFS with the political discourse in this country is that we collapse methodology with character. Because Democrats believe that the little guy is best supported by institutionalized giving (government entitlements), that means they are for the little guy and the Republicans would turn out the poor and the needy. When we start with the belief that the other side does not give a flip about a particular cause: be it environment, business, the under-priviledged, education, women's rights, the second amendment, etc, we stop all conversations before they can start.
What if we started with the assumption that both sides want stellar education for our children, and we began our discourse on HOW that can get done? Could we make more progress?
To assume that because Obama believes that big government should gear up to serve the underclass means that Romney would throw the underclass under the bus is a non-starter. It is documented that Romney gave 20% of his income to charity last year. The data don't support the idea that he is a heartless plutocrat.
There is no question that capitalism is called "creative destruction" for a reason, and when you are in the path of the destruction part, you pay a price. When the US Steel industry was losing share to foreign producers, towns like Bethlehem, PA were devastated. In the micro-economic sense, there were real families that were hurt by this. In the macro-economic sense, the move away from manufacturing opened up the innovation lane toward the information age (the "creative" part). Some will say, and I agree with them, that we have moved too far away from the manufacturing industry, and we need to get back to more durable goods, but that's a different conversation. In the macro-economic sense of things, "creative destruction" opens lanes for new innovation, and that is the American legacy more than anything.
For those who believe in more of a planned economy, you can soften the blow of some of these transitions. And I do believe there is room to soften things, and that may well be some of the role of government. But the further we fall into "planned economy" ideology, the less innovation thrives and the slower we move toward socio-economic growth available to all.
Sorry for the mini-lecture in economic theory, but it seemed relevant. In the end, there is a price to pay for modernization, innovation, and globalization. Individuals in the micro-economy pay for it, like you have. In the macro-economy, it is a life force. But there is also a price to pay for an "overly planned" economy. It is government's job to manage that tension.
This is a well-done post.
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 07:31 — gjaluvkaThis is a well-done post. However, I piece together some of the same information in a way that I find a bit more ominous. I agree that Romney doesn't seem like the type of guy who lost sleep over what he did at Bain. I also agree that Romney seems like somebody who goes out and just gets things done.
Add that up and is it unreasonable to worry that Romney might not care about the unpleasantness that might be visited upon a lot of people by his perception of efficiency? This to me would be an achilles on par with Obama's wanting negotiation skills (a point I totally agree with).
After Reading This Article
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 04:40 — DallasNEI have to conclude that there is no shortage of low information voters who nonetheless will talk your leg off and say nothing relevant.
"He hasn't had stuff handed to him."
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 04:36 — fullcontactloverIt's late, so maybe my bullshit detectors aren't working properly... No, you just don't seem to understand concepts such as irony and sarcasm. Obama is right up there with Forrest Gump as far as dumb luck goes. To allude to one of myriad cases in point, not all of us who attended YALE and Harvard had a billionaire Saudi sheik greasing our skids. Thank God Obama's streak of incredibly good fortune is about to end. Stupid was as stupid did for too darned long.
agree with a caveat
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 02:38 — revjo1957Terrific piece. Here's my two cents.
I voted for obama in 08, will vote for him again in 12, with huge disappointment. He seems to think, as you have said, that his smarts are enough, that the points he makes are self evident. They are not, especially to a center-right populace, as the United States populace is. There is indeed a certain arrogance about the man, to think that his eloquence in speeches, without anything more, will do the job. He has needed from the beginning to make his case, point by point, to the American people, and he has utterly failed in many cases to do that. The first debate is a perfect example.
But he has accomplished a great deal with a 60-vote Democratic Senate (many of whom were conservative, coming from red states) and even a hostile congress during the last two years. The Affordable Care Act would, I suspect, be much more popular had Obama gone on TV and done a Ross Perot-like explanation of why those who don't want to pay for other people's health care are already doing so, aand at an exorbitant rate, and that the ACA will help solve this. Again, a case of Obama not making the case.
As for Mitt Romney, I am sick and tired of people using his business acumen as a qualification for being president. At Bain, his business was to make money. This is most emphatically NOT his job as president. The fact that he was successful in buying companies out and in some cases reopening them absolutely does not have anything to do with managing a national economy under assault from the forces of globalization. when you say that he can get things done, the second thing you must ask is WHAT will he get done. To what end is this man running for president? Obama has not done a good job of articulating his vision, but Romney does not even know who he is. He has changed his position on so many issues that he is a shell of a human being in search of a purpose. Obama ain't perfect, but I do believe he is a capable person trying to ensure that all Americans share fairly in the prosperity of the nation as a whole. He is just terrible at articulating that vision. Please vote for Obama. If you vote for Romney, who will almost certainly be captive to the radicals of the Tea Party, you (and I) will live to regret it.
Great article!
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 01:16 — bwweinsteinWow! One of the few thoughtful things I have read in the past 6 months. This campaign has been more content-free, on both sides, than any I remember. I wish RCP would have more thoughtful articles like this instead of the extreme partisan pieces they favor, which are rarely useful.
I agree.
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 01:56 — tater2727As a Republican myself, it has been hard to get excited about Romney. Heck, I didnt even vote for him in the primaries. But what caught my attention in your artice that I completely agree with is that Romney WILL GET THINGS DONE. He might not get them done exactly the way I agree with but they will get done BY WORKING ACROSS THE ISLE, unlike Obama. I really think he is our only hope in getting the economy back on track. Obama has proven to be wayyy too ideological. That is OK when the economy is doing well (see Clinton) but in a recession it is the last thing we need. What frightens me more than anything is why Obama continues to double down on his beliefs, even when he knows its not the best thing for the people or even the will of as much as 75% of the people! He grew up to appriciate socialism, his fathers rabid socialism, and joined and associated with some of the most radical elements of our society. A little voice inside of me sometimes asks to what lengths he will go to to get what he wants. Including dragging the American people through the grinder!
Talk about missed opportunities
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 06:06 — TrueTocsinThis intelligent, fair, insightful, and centrist -- if long -- post shows why Barky would've been a sharp and consequential editorial page editor.
Nice piece, and good that it's getting national attention via RCP.
Early voting
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 23:08 — Offset81I have always heard a man that doesn't stand for anything will fall for anything. If you haven't noticed what has been going on for the last four years you live in bubble of some alternate universe. The people around the president are more of a concern than he is. Clint nailed it perfectly we got to let him go.
Thank-you.
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 21:46 — rickerI'm pretty sure this is the only article about this election that I've read word for word from beginning to end. The other writers I've attempted to read so far seem only to be partisan BS trying to mask themselves as analytical or logical. Thank-you.
If you can’t bother to
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 21:34 — Steve851If you can’t bother to vote on election day, you are not serious about your citizenship. That’s a lay up. Early voting is a joke unless you happen to be out of town.
I understand the writer’s angst at deciding who to vote for. This is the third election in a row where the two parties have presented us with junk, and whether I have to endorse this defective system by voting at all..
I too frequent RCP and am unhappy. It is balanced with left/right commentary, but very little worth reading because most articles are just partisan nonsense.
I profoundly disagree with the author about the many good things the two candidates have to offer. I think they are both non-serious people about the country’s problems and issues. This looks to becoming endemic in our country
non-serious people?
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 01:51 — tater2727You obviously have not been paying attention. Or, you are the most self-centered voter in America!
Late Voting
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 20:42 — tobacosmithWhat an enjoyable piece. After all these months of debate, much hate-filled discourse, it is refreshing to read one thoughtful position. Consider it all as you have, I would urge you to vote for Mr. Romney. I am struck by his dedication and commitment to whatever work he is presented. Mr. Obama is indeed a thoughtful man, but I just don't think he is cut our for the job. Let's give a new face a chance. Thank you.
Another view
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 02:07 — bwweinsteinYes, it's great to find a tiny island of civil, thoughtful discourse. Thanks for your comments. I wanted to be a Romney fan (you know where this is going). I admired what he did as a Republican governor of a very blue state, especially his health care plan. He did a great job rescuing the SLC Olympics, and was a savvy business person. All things to highly recommend him.
But since he started running for president, I no longer have the faintest idea what he would try to do. He has been on every side of so many issues that he does not seem to have any core beliefs. And he has been unwilling to call out the most extreme behavior in his party. When Limbaugh went on his 3-day tirade against Sandra Fluke, calling a college student a "slut" for using birth control, the best Romney could muster was "not the words I would have used". A party's leader has to do better than that.
So faced with a choice between someone who has made mistakes, but whose objectives and principles I believe I understand, and someone who, to me, has become a total unknown quantity, I'll stick with the devil I know.
The Case For Obama
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 20:34 — mcdormbmmFirst I would agree that President Obama has not made a strong, consistent case for the policies he has instituted over the last 4 yrs and hence, has not given voters a strong faith in what he will do in the next 4 yrs. President Obama came into office with an economy losing 800,000 jobs a month. So for Mitt Romney and the country to spout out statistics such as the fact that he came into office with 7.8% unemployment and now its 7.9% and, therefore conclude that his policies have not been effective is just simple minded. The recession bottomed out with 10.2% unemployment. The stimulus package DID work as intended but the recession was/is much worse than economist thought at the time. Without the stimulus (which included tax cuts for 98% of us and funding for local governments to keep teachers, firefighters, police officers etc employed), the bank rescue (which was implemented under Bush), and the auto rescue plan (which despite what Romney is attempting to say now, would have never resulted in the managed bankruptcy if the Gov had not GUARANTEED the loans because there was no company willing to risk the capital to invest in the car companies), the economy would be much worse off. Barack Obama came into office and did Exactly what he said he was going to do so nobody should be surprised by his policies. Not one economist thought we should be cutting the deficit in the middle of the recession. What Republicans won't tell you is that they would have essentially spent the same amount of money and run up the deficit because that is the whole point of keeping the economy afloat. The economy is so interdependent that without the increased spending, there would have been a complete freeze of capital markets and a complete crash of the stock market (which has almost DOUBLED since Obama took office and is tied to most peoples retirements). That is EXACTLY what happened during the Great Depression and what we learned was that increase gov spending can help eleviate the effects and keep what would have been a Depression a Recession. As the economy picks up, the government reduces spending and the deficit. Everyone agrees that the deficit and interest we have to pay is a drag on the economy but that is the give and take that is the reality of where we are. Anyone who thinks Obama should have come in and waved a wond, resulting in the economy returning to the 90s is living in a fantasy world. In our society of instant gratification it is easy to convince people that is the way the world works. But it is not, and that is why clear eyed realist should vote for Barack Obama on November 6th.
What?!?!
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 01:53 — tater2727Didnt you read the artice? Go to RCP and post your "Obama platform speech" there, not here.
Vote For My Guy
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Pretty thoughtful comments
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 19:41 — danbarkin (author)I'm hanging out in a classy neighborhood, I am.
But He Leads Too
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 17:58 — DeepThinkThank you for a refreshing post. Where are all the other nuanced thinkers out there? Whenever I read a clearly partisan post, I try to follow it up with a partisan post from the other side, and then make my own conclusions. We centrist non-ideologues are a rare and yet growing faction.
In this case, I'm going with Romney. I see all your points. While I do believe he is a very principled person (as in character), I believe that he is ultimately a pragmatist. The GETTING THINGS DONE part of who he is requires it. This is why he changes direction. (I personally believe that he is much more of a centrist naturally -- yea -- than he showed in the primaries and I think it is a consequence of the strangle-hold that the right wing has on the Republican Party that had him shift right to get the nomination. This is the pragmatist in him. I had thought when McCain won the nomination in 2008 that he too could break that choke hold, but he chose to pander as well.) I do not believe it is sourced in manipulation but in pragmatism. Ideologues don't get much done in the real world, or if they do, they must spend a lot of psychic capital to do it. (case in point, Obama).
Your post, however, makes it sounds like Romney will be THE doer, rather than the man who leads doers. Perhaps you didn't mean for it to sound like that. There is no way that he could have done what he has done...turned so much around...and not been a strong leader of people. He has certainly not won the hearts and minds of companies, olympics and government on his charisma. He has had to do it by pulling out the best in those around him, by creating environments of excellence.
In my career I work with senior leaders of companies to help them break through what is stopping their businesses from thriving (so there's a disclosure: I'm pro-business). ALWAYS what is in the way is not the product, the employees, the competition or the economy, it is the leader. When the leader shifts, so does all of that around him/her. So if Romney is getting all of that done, it is through true leadership, which has been lacking more in the oval office than any other quality.
Like you, I don't hate Obama. I find him just as charming and likeable as the rest of America. It is true that I have been turned off by his arrogant, mocking style of campaigning, but I could overlook that. But you cannot be a thinking person and not believe that the man is simply over his head. Your assessment of his work ethic, urgency, blame, etc, are all apparent in his results. He did inherit a mess. But even the recovery of the Great Depression went faster than the recovery he has led (or tried to). In the first four years after the Depression hit, Unemployment went from 25% to 16%. It then double dipped (we had a double depression), and went back up to 19% two years later, but still within four years of the double dip, we were back down to 4.2% unemployment. There are many, many more safeguards in our modern economy than there were in the 1930's. So Obama's results do not stand the scrutiny of history.
I was not a big Romney fan at first. I still don't think he is a brilliant politician. But as I have examined him, his history, and what I can know of him as a man, I have become dazzled, and I am a believer. I cannot say that about any president I have ever voted for. I don't necessarily believe he would be a great President for every time, but I really believe he is the perfect President for THIS time.
What I am voting for is leadership...the real kind.
"Nuanced thinker"? *Smacks
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 02:02 — John_P"Nuanced thinker"? *Smacks forehead*
The man doesn't have a clue.
doppelganger?
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 02:00 — tater2727After I posted my comment I went on to read everyone elses comments. Funny how we both put "GETS THINGS DONE" in caps. It really will be a fresh start to all this adversity Obama has created in Washington. And didnt he say in his acceptence speech he would "bring us together"? I cant remember a President who has been more devisive.
cool! I've never had a doppleganger!
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 12:57 — DeepThinkI had the same smile when I saw your all caps too.
MR. BARKIN...
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 07:56 — ClearThinkerThe President Obama you describe would never have gotten bin Laden, would have never engineered the auto-bailout that saved Detroit, or have gotten the big stimulus bill. He would have never told NJ Gov. Christie to "call me directly" if there's something you need that you can't get."
This president has accomplished a lot. In order to pull off a Lyndon Johnson or a Ronald Reagan, Obama needed honest partners in Congress, not rabid idealogues who were hellbent on destroying his presidency no matter the costs.
Obama had one of the best congressional wranglers in the business in Rahm Emmanuel, his chief of staff. The president negotiated directly, and repeatedly, with Republican leaders in Congress during the debt ceiling crisis.
So while I'll certainly agree that Obama's pragmatism and absence of partisan ideology makes him a bit different, to interpret him as someone who is basically lazy in the workings of government is, respectfully, a bit unfair.
????
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 02:11 — tater2727How can you say that when he did everything he could to shove Obamacare through congress without even consulting Republicans in Congress? He couldnt even get all the needed votes because so many Democrats objected to pushing Obamacare through without even being able to examine it properly! He gave "sweetheart" deals to Democrats states so they would sign on the dotted line! Basicly, he bought them off! Republicans had a similar plan they were trying to get through and if Obama was REALLY trying to bring everyone in government together, he would have at least sat down with Republicans and tried to at least get a few Republicans to vote for Obamacare! Same thing with the stimulus (that did nothing except re-fund bloated public-union pensions), he just shoved it through! I have voted in 10 presidential elections and Obama has been the most "my way or the highway" President ever! Reagan was similar in that he rarely backed down, but he did that with our foreign enemies, not fellow Americans!
Obama had a total Democratic Congress for 2 years. lame excuse.
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 18:14 — dude32Any president would have said OK on the bin laden raid or called NJ governor to check on him. These are pointless examples.
Obama has been the most partisan radical and divisive president ever. He has failed to stimulate the economy. He added 6 trillion in new debt.
Less people working now than when Obama took office. We are left with cronyism, debt, unemployment, high gas prices, food stamps and a huge new health tax.
This is why ROMNEY WINS.
My concern about your
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 18:12 — DeepThinkMy concern about your argument is this: when Obama promised "hope and change" four years ago...when he promised that he would fundamentally transform the way government worked, did he think that the Republicans, hearing that, would stand down? Of course they wouldn't. He was walking into a government of partisans, deeply divided. I'm not sure what he thought was going to happen, but here is the bottom line: Leaders Lead. Transformation comes from leadership.
He believed he could transform that and he didn't, not even a little. And it wasn't helped at all by the way the Democrats pushed through Obamacare.
The great wasted opportunity of the Obama Administration is that he really COULD have made this change. He needed to go over Congress and straight to the people. He had that much cache. He had that much status in the beginning. The Republicans would have had no choice but to deal. Instead, he used his democratic majority to cram through the affordable care act (which I don't think is all that bad, except for the WAY it got done. The methods were offensive to citizens who trust in representative government.).
The other day I heard Obama being interviewed. When asked how he was going to make things happen in his next four years, he said, "Well we're going to start by trying to get as many democrats elected as possible." That's his strategy for transforming government. To those of us more interested in centrist solutions, it is unacceptable. Leaders lead.
Transform
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 23:15 — Offset81He transformed us alright. We now have a gun running,executive ordering health controlling, you didn't build that stand down vote present empty suit running the USA at least until January 2013. If re elected soon to be impeached for a massive cover up for letting four of people swing in the breeze while he went fund raising.
Ha!
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 01:17 — John_PHe hasn't had stuff handed to him.
The man who got a Nobel Peace Prize for living out Being There has never had stuff handed to him.
The man who had the presidency of the United States of America handed to him has never had stuff handed to him.
The man who has had the media running cover for him for the last 5 years has never had stuff handed to him.
He's been put on the path of privilege his whole life, starting with attending the very upper crust of the private schools in Hawaii, and onward from there. He was born with an Affirmative Action spoon in his mouth. He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, the scion of bankers and businessmen.
I see things to like in President Obama. If that gets your blood up, well, so be it. He seems to be smart and he seems to think things through.
Want to know who really thinks Obama's smart? Obama. He's so in love with himself that he doesn't think he should have to work hard at anything. Hence his utter failure to put in any elbow grease his entire life, apart from writing two books about himself (which were still probably ghost-written or -assisted). Hence his failure to hack out any kind of deal with Congress. The man is so overstuffed with overweening pride that he wouldn't even prep for the first debate with Romney ("Obama 'believed he had BEATEN Romney' in Denver debate - after ignoring advice of top aides on preparation," Daily Mail Oct 9th, 2012). He went to see the Hoover Dam instead. And this is Mitt Romney we're talking about, a lifelong winner who, in stark contrast to Obama, actually did "build this," to the tune of Bain Capital, the Utah Olympics, etc. And to top it all off, he walked off the debate floor thinking he'd won. Mr. Brilliance had to be told by his handlers (assuming they did).
The man's a legend in his own mind. The only thing he truly excels at is having his words handed to him, by the TotUS.
You see things to like? I see things to like in everyone I've ever met, or heard or read about. It's a non-statement.
He hasn't had stuff handed to him.
I'm just flabbergasted at the utter ignorance of that statement. I keep repeating it, turning it over in my mind, trying to encompass its cluelessness.
P.S., check Politifact for [Mitt Romney "gave away his father's inheritance."].
wow, good stuff!
Sun, 11/04/2012 - 01:26 — tater2727Have to agree with you 100%. Obama is like a spoiled child, and how do you spoil a child? Give him things he didnt really work for, doesnt appriciate. Obama has some real issues, and unfortunately his handlers have been seeking every drama queen in the country to vote for him. Including young people who have little to no clue what they are really voting for. 30 years ago an 18 year old man or woman was much more mature than they are now. Most were entering the workforce anyway they could. Now, kids have no shame about being on unemployment or food stamps. Heck, Presidents like Obama cant wait to give it to you! Kids stay home now and live with their parents much longer than they used to. Is it any wonder why Obamacare is insuring kids until they are 26 years old? If young people are still living at home at age 26, I dont consider them adults. At least not most of them. It would be wise to move the voting age up to at least 21, if not 25. Otherwise, we will be getting another man-child like Obama voted in in the near future.