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DOT gets $4 million to advance 110mph Raleigh-to-Richmond train

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North Carolina today won just $4 million of the $624 million it recently requested in federal high-speed rail grants.

The Federal Railroad Administration said NCDOT will use the money to advance planning and finish environmental studies on a proposed new short-cut track from Raleigh to Richmond, for passenger trains that would run as fast as 110 mph.

The proposed 162-mile line would be 35 miles shorter than the current rail route between the two state capitals. With faster trains, it would cut two hours from travel times between Raleigh and Washington, D.C. Another $2 billion or so would be needed to build the line, including more than 100 new bridges.

NCDOT had sought a larger share of $2.4 billion in federal high-speed rail grants recently rejected by the state of Florida. Most of the money awarded today went elsewhere: $795 million to upgrade the busy northeast rail corridor, $404 million to advance Midwest fast-train projects linking Chicago to Detroit and St. Louis, $300 million to expand a planned 220mph line in California, and $336 million to buy new locomotives and rail cars for California and the Midwest.

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Long Way

High speed rail would be nice. Now have to figure out on how to get from Morehead City to Raleigh to catch the high speed or slow speed.

trains

Communter trains would be nice but how would anyone see me driving alone in my big $40,000 -status symbol- SUV that gets 15 mpg?

So In Agreement

Service to Morehead City and Service to Asheville is highly desired. Besides the fact that there is no direct flights to New Bern, being able to switch trains in Selma to the Crystal Coast would be awesome! Same thing for Asheville. AND it would add tremendously to the tourism in that area. I mean, 2x daily would be great. The routing could be AVL-RAL-MHC-RAL-AVL and another could use the Piedmonts and do CLT-RAL-AVL-RAL and RAL-MCH-RAL-CLT.

Just a thought..

A day at the beach

Wouldn't it be great to be able to catch a train to the beach for the day? One that would get there in an hour and a half at about 9am would be great.

Atlas Shrugged

If there where a market for this, the private sector would provide the solution.

Who runs these lines? Amtrak. What does the inventor on Amtrak think about his idea - Amtrak?

"Amtrak Celebrates 40 Years of Failure"

Last week, Amtrak began a week-long celebration marking its 40th anniversary. Unfortunately, given the company’s track record and inability to turn a profit throughout its tenure, even Amtrak’s founder notes that there is not much to celebrate.

Officially known as the National Railroad Passenger Corporation, the company was created during the Nixon administration. As observed by The Blaze, Amtrak is “government owned and controlled, union-operated, employing more than 20,000 workers, led by a CEO appointed by the president of the United States, and maintains an annual budget that is allocated by Congress.”

While it seems fairly predictable that such a company would fail, Anthony Haswell, founder of the National Association of Railroad Passengers and the man widely recognized as the inspiration for Amtrak, had high hopes for the project. Forty-years later, however, the embarrassment and inefficiencies of the endeavor have been impossible to ignore, prompting Haswell to write the following piece on Amtrak:

Amtrak is a massive failure because it’s wedded to a failed paradigm. It runs trains that serve political purposes as opposed to being responsive to the marketplace. America needs passenger trains in selected areas, but it doesn‘t need Amtrak’s antiquated route system, poor service and unreasonable operating deficits.

private sector

Where is a highway built by a trucking company or by Greyhound, a freeway built by a private corporation, or an airport built by an airline?

We did have a privately operated passenger train system in this country until 1971 (and still have a thriving freight one); the passenger trains were put out of business by a publicly built interstate highway system - a system adopted from "socialist Europe" (the autobahn).

Look It Up

The preliminary program review for the High-Speed Train project in California started in 2002. Once they chose the specific corridor, they had to do the EPA's project review, which started in 2007. The final review is scheduled to be completed in October 2012. Exactly how long do you think this project in North Carolina will last on Congress's budget sheets? And, yes, I have traveled to Baltimore, by train on this route, multiple times over the past 30 years. It comes to a complete halt, for hours, in D.C., where you have to switch from diesel to electric. That bottleneck is not solved under this plan. It just allows trains that pass from Raleigh to Richmond to avoid sharing the tracks with the Fayetteville to Richmond trains. When they join back in there, you will have a new bottleneck. North Carolina spent billions on the Global Transpark because they got sold that it was the wave of the future. It failed to live up to all the hype. This will too! 

Details on the Rail Plan

To understand the rail improvements, you really have to look into the details, but here are a few of the highlights:

* The new "short-cut" route will be a major reconstruction of a partially abandoned line from Raleigh to Petersburg, VA via Henderson.

* That line will be straightened somewhat to allow for 110 mph speeds.

* Speed on the current route, at least  between Raleigh and Rocky Mount, doesn't come close to that.  The tracks can't support higher speeds.

* A major advantage of this project is that the high-speed passenger trains will be off of CSX's busy north-south freight line through Rocky Mount, so current delays due to congestion on that line will be eliminated.

* They can't do it for $4 million.  The $ just awarded will only cover finishing up the Envir. Impact Studies.

* The current plan is for 1 intermediate stop between Raleigh and Petersburg (probably in Henderson).  The number of stops make a bigger difference in travel times on high-speed trains, because it takes a while to accelerate and decelerate around stops, so, in addition to time spent sitting at the station, each stop means many miles that the train can't be cruising along at or near its maximum speed.

Apparently you've never taken this route...

The Jim Hunt Honorary Rail Detour Through Wilson is the most maddening part of what is otherwise a phenomenally pleasant way to get to DC.  (Beats the pants off of 95 or RDU.)  The train crawls along on old track throughout this stretch, after skipping lightly through Virginia, then proceeds to spend 10-15 minutes at each stop.  Between the stations, the Amtrak frequently has to pull off and stop on sidings for 10-20 minutes stretches to wait for a freight train to roll past.  Simply not stopping three times should be sufficient to knock 30-40 minutes off the trip, and not having to yield in the busy freight corridor should do wonders. 

I have a lot of friends and family in DC, so I make this trip frequently.  If this project gets finished, I'm not sure I'll ever drive 95 to get there again, unless I'm hauling something heavy.

The fact that NC only got

The fact that NC only got about 2% of what it had requested and can put to work is a reflection of the remakable job-killing skills put on display by our new gop legislature. We would have gotten more funding if it were not for all the bluster about rejecting the last grant.

voters

The voters don't know that!

Rail is the future

Both passenger and shipping. Warren Buffet didn't buy that rail company BNSF for no reason. I agree with the other poseter in that we need high speed rail freight as well. anybody that thinks autos for everything is the future is sadly mistaken. Just try driving that volt from here to DC and let me know how that works for ya. ALl while gas is $20 a gallon as china, india, and africa ramps up it's auto purchases and oil gets fewer and far between.

High Speed Freight

Passanger Services are a very small part of the overall rail use in the USA. Improving the tracks to allow for high speed freight would also spread the cost of providing lines that can support high speed passanger service. High speed freight will also compete with air cargo thus driving down those prices through competition. Instead of 3-4 days for a truck to drive NY-LA the trailer would simply be loaded on a flat car and 24-30 hours later unloaded and hitched to another tractor for final delievery.

Laughable

The current Amtrak route, from Charlotte to Richmond, passes through 14 stations. This proposed rout eliminates 3 of those stops (Selma/Smithfield, Wilson and Rocky Mount). It shortens the route by 35 miles. Yet, it is going to reduce travel time by over 2 hours? Not for $4 million, it won't! An environmental impact study, followed by planning, followed by land acquisition, followed by endless court cases, followed by a half-dozen new Presidents and Governors= no high-speed rail anytime soon! Nothing but Pork Barrel spending to benefit certain electoral votes for Obama.

only 35 miles, but...

Eliminating those 3 stops may only eliminate 35 miles, but it may be that it takes one hour to cover those 35 miles due to "speed limits". The train can not do 100 mph every mile of the trip.  The train rides i have been on slowed down over some stretches through towns.

So, there's likely nearly an hour of savings just in eliminating those 35 miles.

That doesn't factor in how long the trains are actually stopped and standing still for those 3 trips.  That is at least a half hour, i would suppose.  The train rides i have been on included stops in small towns, which are not as quick as bus stops, for whatever reasons.  I suppose it may take longer to stop and start a train than it does a bus.

So, it appears as though eliminating those 3 stops will save at least 1hr 15mins, and possibly the 2 full hours, as claimed. 

And, compared to driving, one does not have to stop for gas, using a restroom, or getting a meal.  Nor is there a likelihood for slowing down or stopped traffic for wrecks, construction sites, car trouble, etc...

Well this rightwing ditto head is all for high speed rail

But we really need high speed freight as well.

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Bruce Siceloff reports on traffic and transportation. A News & Observer reporter, editor and blogger since 1976, he took over the Road Worrier column in 2003. Lately he drives I-40 with the cruise control set at 68 mph. You can e-mail Bruce, call him at 919-829-4527, check out his Crosstown Traffic blog or follow him (@Road_Worrier) on Twitter.
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