Seidenberg unlikely to return
Defenseman Dennis Seidenberg, an unrestricted free agent, likely will not be playing for the Canes next season, general manager Jim Rutherford said today.
"Based on my conversation with his agent, and where they think he's at, he's a long way out of our reach," Rutherford said.
Seidenberg, 28, had career highs in games played (70), goals (5), assists (25) and points (30) this past season. He led the team and tied for 17th in the NHL in blocked shots with 160, and ranked third on the team in average ice time per game (22:19).
Seidenberg, traded to Carolina from the Phoenix Coyotes in January 2007, made $1.2 million last season.
At one point, in discussing his defensemen, Rutherford said, "With Seidenberg not coming back ..."
Told his comment sounded definitive on Seidenberg, Rutherford said, "It appears that way."
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As much as I liked
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 08:24 — Otag1As much as I liked Siedenberg he most likely will be out of reach financially as far as the Canes budget will go. But there are quite a few free agent defense men that may work for us, just to list a few in no particular order:
1.) Marc-Andre Bergeron from Minn.
2.) Jordan Leopold from Calgary
3.) Johnny Oduya from NJ
4.) Mat Walker from Chicago
5.) and last, as JR has a history of bringing players back, Marek " The Sheik" Malik is available from Tampa, alot of injury problems as of last season but financially he would work and JR could keep the contract to 1-2 years, giving McBain time to develop and play at the AHL level along with the defensemen I believe they will draft in the first round. Later Caniacs, GO CANES!
Please, no Malik. Our STHs
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 18:58 — ctillPlease, no Malik. Our STHs nicknamed him "The Terror on the Ice". Problem was, he inflicted the terror on us!
List
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 09:42 — GoShelfThe only guy on that list I wouldn't want would be MA Bergeron, he's too similar to Joe Corvo; big shot, can move the puck well if he has time, but struggles in his own zone against bigger more physical forwards - maybe the same can be said of Oduya. I like the fact that Walker & Leopold are 6'0 plus.
I too would like
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 06:24 — esteban1949to see Walker or Leopold. But if Bergeron showed up and Jr signed him,who knows ? But after all that's why JR has that Job, and none of us here do...I don't know about any of you here, but i am verey happy I don't have Jr's job...
Go Canes !
With the up comong draft
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 19:56 — esteban1949and the likes of Sutter & Boychuk in the wings to return and to get a place....i am glad and happy as a loon in a lake that I am NOT JR...I'd have to own stock in a prozac & pepto plant just to get ready for training camp !! But i will be a good fan, wait,see and NOT be too disappointed if the Canes lose a favorite player or 2 before training camp begins...sigh...where's my pepto ?? I feel a big one comin on !!!!
Go Canes !!
Esteban
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 09:11 — ammy144Esteban, like you I am one of the "older" fans and I certainly understand the "pepto"!!!! I have been marking my calendar since our run at the cup ended and watching all of the conjectures everyone is making about our pick. Since so much can happen at the last minute on draft day, I am simply waiting to watch it all unfold. I do hope we can get some defensive help either there or in a trade. Time will tell.
Amen Ammy, Amen !!
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 06:33 — esteban1949This has got to be the hardest part of the year for many die hard fans ...i am even looking in obscure places and news wires for hockey new of any kind, but do manly focus on the Canes,The Albany River Rats,(AHL) The Spokane Chiefs & Lethbridge Hurricanes,( WHL) and the Plymouth Whalers(OHL).So i do have something to keep me from driving what sane family members i have home at present ( before they go back to college) completely bonkers. How many days left until training camp ?? esteban sighs deeply...gee maybe i ought to get a life ??? :-O
Enjoy the rest of the week...and like you dear i too will be watching the draft tomorrow with intrest..have a safe week end..
Go Canes !!
As I recall under the
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 17:03 — robotron2084As I recall under the current CBA, it's just the overage players (35+) that can have the bonus clauses and they do count against the cap IF they are reached. They don't count against the initial cap calculation since they may not be achieved, but the Rangers faced the possibility of a cap violation a couple of years ago had Shanahan received his potential bonuses. That would have resulted in the Rangers having a lower cap the following year.
CBA Section 50.2
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:04 — GoShelfEssentially Three types of bonuses - Signing, Performance, Roster or Reporting. Performance bonuses are allowed for Entry Level SPC's, players in excess of 35 years old, and players with an excess of 400 games for pension purposes.
Minimum's
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:10 — GoShelfExhibit 5 pg. 260 outlines performance bonus minimums for forwards, dmen, and goalies.
Catch you on the rebound
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 15:09 — Biff_BeersPlayers that do well here and leave anyway often find their way back. Perhaps Seidenberg's case will play out the way Matt Cullen's brief stint away from the team did. Sign with another team for as much as you can get, round out your game while you are away, and, unless your role is filled by a younger/cheaper player, JR will find a way to bring you back. Seidenberg thinks he's worth more than JR is will to pay, and JR thinks he has player on hand or in the system that can fill in for Seidenberg if he goes. If Seidenberg is right and JR is wrong, JR has shown a willingness to admit his mistake and fix it.
Rather see others go.
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 14:23 — HockeydogI liked the physical play Seidenberg brought to the team, and like mentioned below he did have a few very memorable moments. I hope this is just posturing because I'd like to see him stay here, and I'd hope he would like it here enough to be reasonable with his contract demands. Kaberle and Babchuk won't provide the physical play and this team needs all the toughness it can get. Babchuk is a one trick pony who really isn't worth more than his 08-09 paycheck. I'd rather they not sign Cole unless he is willing to take about 2 mil per year and spend it elsewhere. Look at all the "loyalty" contracts this team is saddled with. When has Wallin ever been worth the constraints of a no trade clause? Kaberle was fairly effective during the Cup run but lost ground with his shoulder, which the team knew was hurt when they gave him a multi- year deal. Sammy and Walker have had some great moments with the team but now there is at least one young player in the Canes system that could be ready for the NHL that won't get to because the roster is full.
So long Seidenberg. My guess
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 08:23 — ctillSo long Seidenberg. My guess is that his agent thinks he knows what Seidenberg will get elsewhere, and they were just checking to see if relocation is really necessary.
If Kaberle goes to Russia, JR would have more headroom to spin up a trade for a stay-at-home, low-mistake D. Otherwise it looks like we'll have to hope that McBain, Borer, Rodney, or some other newbie steps up... and that Wallin or Kaberle plays alright... or that Babchuk gets his head straight after getting seriously confused/outplayed during the playoffs.
Kaberle
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 10:40 — GoShelfBased on his exit meeting it does not seem he's going to the KHL, so the only way he's not in the picture is if he gets traded (not likely unless in a package) or is told he will only get limited playing time.
good but not that good
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 07:29 — RuutuFan015I like Dennis and he is a good player but for the money he is asking for, I think it is a bit over the top. If he decides to go to another team, I will hate to see him go but I feel the money could be spent on other players to keep them on the team, like Jussi, Ruutu and others. I don't think Kaberle is the best player to replace Dennis. Glad that I don't have to make those decisions. Look forward to another great season........Go Canes
Money
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 08:13 — GoShelfI disagree, when you look at the current list of UFA defensemen (NHLSCAP.com) making above 2mil, I'd rather have Seid's than almost all of those guys between 2mil - 3mil (granted some of those guys will be taking pay cuts on their next contract). I think the reason we can't give Seid's the raise he deserves is we're handcuffed with Kab's contract and have to give raises to retain Ruutu, Larose, Jokinen, and Babchuk. Logically, JR knows he's got lose someone, so Seid's is expendable.
Money Money Money
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 08:44 — RuutuFan015It is sad to say that the almight $$$ is what makes people do what they do. Don't get me wrong, I like Dennis as a Hurricane, I like the way he plays and he was good for the team. On the flip slide of that we do need to increase the $$ to keep some other players and unfortunately we will lose some others. I personally feel that even though Cole is a good player, he is over paid. I hope LaRose, Ruutu, Jussi and Babchuk all come back next season. They are key players for this young team. To make another run at the Cup and hopefully obtain it, we need to put together a young, strong team that will stay together for longer than one or two seasons. May-be the powers that be should look at putting performace clauses in contracts, you do this and this and we give you a bonus of $$$. You don't reach these goals, well you get your contract $$ but no bonus. Just a thought going forward and may-be a way to keep the ones around that want to be a Carolina Hurricane.
Bonuses
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 10:36 — GoShelfAll contracts have bonuses built in on basic metrix (goals, assists, wins, # of fights, etc.). However, it's not guaranteed money, which makes most players uncomfortable - I know Gary Roberts's last contract had very little guaranteed money in it but he got a bonus for every game he played because he was hurt all the time. For the most part bonuses don't count against the salary cap, I think there are 1 or 2 caveats (it wouldn't suprise me if there was a rule that said if a player makes more money in bonuses than guaranteed money then a percentage of bonuses has to go against salary cap). Nevertheless, the only guys taking those types of contracts are guys that don't need the money and know they can reach most of the milestones expressed in the contract, which are older players.
The only contracts on the
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 18:54 — jgrant641The only contracts on the books for the canes with bonus's are Brandon Sutter and Zach Boychuk
I don't think Seids is gonna
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 18:09 — redblackhockeyI don't think Seids is gonna find anyone to sign him at whatever it is his agent thinks he's worth. If he's "way out of our reach", rather than just a little out of our reach, that suggests that he's indicating that he wants something in excess of $2.5M.
Rumors are that Kaberle wants out of his remaining year so he can go to the KHL.
McBain and Rodney may be able to play at the NHL level, but it would be foolish to assume that they're ready to play on the second pairing.
If Seids is out and if Kaberle is out (and I really hope that last part is true), the Canes will have no choice but to trade for a top four defenseman or acquire one via free agency.
Will the Canes throw themselves into the Rob Scuderi bidding war? Probably not, but they're going to have to do something.
Dennis won't be top 4 here
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 15:03 — C_LeaguerGleason, Corvo, Pitkanen are three of the top 4 and JR has said he'd like to get one strong defensemen to round that out. That means Dennis would find himself on third pair duty. He's too good/expensive for that role, not to mention Rodney and McBain will need a chance to play in the NHL this season.
Seidenberg
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 14:59 — abramsdougGiven the young players the Hurricanes have available and the price Seidenberg seems to be seeking, it does seem highly unlikely Seidenberg will return. I think the money now designated for Seidenberg could be best spent elsewhere. Seidenberg had some fantastic plays; but he also made some extremely costly mistakes. I'd prefer to use the money elsewhere and to rely upon the development of young defense players.
Seidenberg unlikely to return
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 14:57 — hellfishMcbain and Rodney need to play anyway or JR can go for a D-man that is better than Dennis I wish him luck It will be interesting as how he will do with another team.
JR
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 14:46 — GoShelfI don't blame either party. JR is thinking for the money Seid's wants and the position we slot him in the lineup there are better UFAs available and Dennis has to be thinking that he's as good if not better than a number of the UFA's that are asking 2mil plus. So I guess the plan is acquire someone to fit in our top 4 through either trade or UFA signing and hope one of the youngsters can step in and play next year. It will be nice if Kab's plays in the KHL next year, it will free-up an additional 2.2mil which brings the total to 3.4mil, of which some portion goes to Babchuk's raise and the rest fills Seid's void. If it were only that simple, should be interesting.
His Agent
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 14:21 — esteban1949While I understand and appreciate the role agent do play in seeing that they get the best deal for the player they represent. But on the flip side, Agents can be leeches, as well as some players too. It is sad that even a player like Chad LaRose has need of an agent.But I am reminded that NHL Hockey is a BUSINESS,and in this day and age, a player or owners word were their bond died back in 1620. sigh...so much for the love of the game huh ? Bye Dennis...it was nice while you were here! Go Canes !!
Not coming back
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:39 — SWFAN24Not a surprise here. He had a great season, but with money tied up in other places I knew he was not coming back. It's a shame though, he is a great player I just hope he goes out west.
Another D Overhaul
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:15 — gmwannabeeToo bad if Seidenberg leaves, I liked his game and he plays physical. I cannot see keeping Kaberle though. Babchuk improved enough after Mo came back to keep him here unless Rutherford has other plans.
My concern is while we have some very good young defensemen in the system, you have to be careful that we do not have too many come up together. Defense is a position that seems to require more experience than offense as your mistakes are seen and can cost a game late. I remember a game this year where we had I think a three goal lead to start the third(cannot remember the opposition) on a night where we had three defensemen up from Albany. They were overmatched and we blew the game. I like guys like Rodney, Borer so maybe a good FA signing or trade to get us a tough solid defenseman to go with a rookie.
Uhhhh...
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:52 — wxray1Pretty sure Kabs and Nicky have one year left in their contracts. Not sure who wants Kabs for $2+M. Nicky has a no-trade clause.
So, it will be interesting.
Anddd...
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 23:02 — gmwannabeeI am pretty sure Rutherford makes a deal for both if he can. I think Wallin has a no trade clause. It will be interesting. I would trade both for a 10th round pick.
Anddd...
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 23:02 — gmwannabeeI am pretty sure Rutherford makes a deal for both if he can. I think Wallin has a no trade clause. It will be interesting. I would trade both for a 10th round pick.
The game I think you're remembering
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:42 — uneksija12/11/08, leading 5-1 against the Flyers after two, gave up four goals in the third, lost 6-5 in a shootout. Sigh.
That was the one
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 22:57 — gmwannabeeThat was one of those games I kept changing the channel after each flyer goal
At this point it's just a
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:15 — RipskinnyAt this point it's just a statement by his agent that he's not willing to lock in with the Canes until he's had a chance to see what might be offered on the FA marlet. He'll very likely be offered more than the Canes can or will pay. He's pretty good, but D-men are hot tickets. Somebody in the NHL will overpay him.
Seidenberg
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:43 — louis12580Dennis had a very good season. His improvement was substantial. It's amazing how a player can improve given confidence and playing time by the coaching staff. That being said, it would be interesting to hear what his agent is asking for dollars wise. Hopefully this is posturing and not much more. This affects a lot of Jim's decision making concerning the d-corps for next season. Does he now bring back Anton? What about Frank and Nik? Does he now look at a Hal Gill, Andrew Alberts, or someone of that ilk? With the draft coming up on Friday, maybe a trade? Who knows.