What to do? The Canes ended November in a deep power-play funk, 0-for-their-last-25. Nor do they have an answer as to what's wrong.
"If I knew it, it'd be fixed already," forward Ray Whitney said Sunday. "You don't need to ask anymore about those."
If you were Peter Laviolette, what would your top power-play unit be? Who'd be on the point? What would you change?
The floor is open.

A Raleigh native, Chip has worked at the N&O since 1979 and is the Canes beat writer. He can be reached at
Comments
Size doesn't matter. The Red
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 08:19 — ctillSize doesn't matter. The Red Wings are no bigger than the Canes are, but the Red Wings have the best PP in the league -- by far.
I agree with you about the
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 13:52 — CanesRBoringI agree with you about the size on the PP and that really is what this about, but I still feel the Canes have too many offensive key players that lack size. Not the whole roster.
There needs to be a mix to balance it out and Detroit has it. By that I mean a mix of players with size and talent that are their play makers. The Canes play makers are almost exclusively small. The Red Wings balance their line out and your right they are not the biggest. I would love to see more balance in the Canes play makers and I am just trying to bring some attention to that.
Lots of peeps fail to understand how one uses controversial comments to grab attention of a needed change! As in my screen Name. It amazes me how much people get mad at the name, but rarely look into what I am trying to get at.
Re: Size doesn't matter
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 09:21 — Canes73I agree. It's not the size. It's the style of play. The Canes are trying to play a big man's style with small players. The Wings move the puck around quickly and take shots at the net with a Franzen or Holmstrom in front. I see no reason why the Canes can't do the same on the PP with Staal, Brind'Amour, Cullen, Ruutu, or maybe even a Wallin (6'3" 220lbs) in front of the net causing havoc for the opposing goalie. Can you imagine a Corvo shot fired at the net with Wallin screening?
Why is Staal behind the net?
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 23:03 — Biff_BeersI noticed several PP sets starting with Staal behind the net with the puck. He's pretty good with the puck, but, assuming there's no chance for a wrap-around or to bounce the puck off the goalie's back, it's pretty hard for him to score from there. I guess Staal's first choice is to pass to someone cutting into the slot. If that's not available, then I guess he is supposed to pass to the point or half wall and move in front of the net for a return pass, deflection, or rebound. Obviously, that is not working, but it is hard to see why when watching on TV because I usually can't see the whole zone. sparks1 noted that guys like Whitney are getting pressured and beaten at the half wall. I'd like to try Cullen at the half wall for this set rather than Whitney or Samsonov.
Is it just me?
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 22:18 — lmit61I'm sitting home watching the Wild play Col. I don't think I've seen anyother team play the style of game we play....
(dump & chase).As a season ticket holder in a tight economyI simply want to scream every game I go to and see the same old boring style of play! I would hope the coach would have more imagination to come up with creative plays other than dump,chase,lose puck to other team, try to stop them from scoring.
Some on this blog have said Corvo is a selfish player...all I can say is atleast he will take a shot at the net . That's more than most on the team!
Let's do some major changes!!!!!
Cullen......Captian
LaRose....Assistant
Rutuu.......Assistant
I say instead of dumping the puck in the corners...Aim for the net and everyone crash the net for the elusive rebound!
The power play....UGLY!
I'm Done Rambling. PEACE OUT
it's easy
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 18:12 — aprince27They've become very predictable on the power play. The opposition knows what to expect as it's been the same for three seasons now.
Here's some stats to help Y'all decide on what to do!
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 14:23 — CanesRBoringDucks players:
RW. Parros...6-5 232 lbs
RW. Perry....6-3, 202lbs
LW. Moen....6-2, 216 lbs
LW. May......6-1, 220lbs
D. Pronger...6-6, 220lbs
Caniac Midgets:
RW. Dwyer...5-11, 175lbs! Sutter weighs the same too! RU kidding me 175!
RW. Walker..5-10, 196lbs
LW. Whitney..5-10, 180lbs
LW. Samsanov..5-8..haha 5-8!!...188lbs!
D. Corvo..........6-0, 205
If 175lbs and 5-8 players is your cup of tea, then you will love this team. It's full of them!
I will save my money and pay for tickets if and when the Canes get some size, grit and excitement, as in hard hitting and tape to tape passing. Not the dump and send little junior in to chase....Boring!
Height and Weight
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 16:46 — joesmo18Ok, While I totally agree that the Hurricanes need some much needed help on the Ice and plenty of good suggestion have been posted here; the whole argument that the Hurricanes are too small is not really logical considering the average height of the Ducks is 6-1 and the average height of the Hurricanes 6-0. Also the average weight of the Ducks are 205lbs and the average weight of the Canes is 200lbs. So not sure 1 inch and 5 pounds is really going to make a big difference.
My point is... instead of picking out the largest guys on the Ducks and matching them against the smallest guys on the Canes as some sort of compelling argument is pretty stupid.
Instead I think the Canes need to add some skill and experiance out on the Ice, along with some much needed motivation and aggresive play. Also a change in style of play definitely wouldn't hurt.
Canes Have Size?
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 21:49 — CanesRBoringWow talk about ignorance! First, I don't know where ur getting ur numbers from. I decided to run the numbers from the TSN website and the Canes average weight is a whopping 198lbs...laughable! The Ducks are 207-208lbs average...big I mean big difference. This doesn't take into consideration that the Canes key playmakers are almost exclusively small.
But my point was that in this NHL, size is and will make a difference. Along with bringing in much needed intensity. It may come as a surprise to you, but in full contact sports, size matters and makes for a very compelling arguement if a team lacks it. Have you ever seen an offensive line for football. [it's a full contact sport in case you didn't know]
You call for experience, skill, motivation and a change of play style? What exactly does that mean? [You mean that these NHL players are not skilled? Brindy has loads of experience.] Sounds like a vague description about a sport you know very little of and certainly does not make for a compelling argument.
If you think size does not matter and that the Canes have size and grit, then it's your ignorance that makes my argument stupid.
Re: Canes have Size?
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 10:35 — joesmo18Actually my point was not to make a compelling argument because plenty of comments before me were good enough except for yours. My point was that your argument was wrong.
As far as ignorance to hockey?... Why don't you meet me for a game of pick-up hockey at the Cary Ice house any Friday or Saturday night in Wake County and I'll show you how ignorant I am at Hockey.
And by the way, I'm not a big person... 5-6 ; 175lbs
HAHA!
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 13:41 — CanesRBoringSorry I have been a way for the past several Days and I just logged on to see this reply...:)
Lemme guees you are 18yo! And the others are right I am making my opinion, you have a right to disagree which of course you will be wrong!
Oh and just because you play hockey does not make your argument more compelling or smart. BTW I can jump on that band wagon too. I played in College, but I don't go around challenging everyone I disagree with. If that was the case my opponents would all end up agreeing with me...:P
Internet tough guys
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 01:30 — Puckin_awesomeCan we try to keep the blog smack talk to a minimum? This blog is becoming a place where people just blast other's view. In most cases (not yours) they don't even provide an alternative argument.
Listen, based on the respective team pages, the canes average 199lbs whereas the ducks average 205.5 lbs (goalies don't count). Not a huge difference. Perhaps more importantly, the Canes' deffense averages 209.1 lbs, whereas the ducks D is only 205.9 lbs. The ducks have the height advantage by only ~1.5". Who cares? Stats are crap! They are only meaningful to the person making the argument.
In my opinion, one of our key issues is that our big guys (not unlike our smaller guys) are passive, china dolls. The only people that throw their weight around are the mid-to-small sized guys that have no business abusing their bodies like they do. You show me one guy on our team that is over 205 lbs that likes to hit, let alone scrap. Gleason is the only one that comes to mind, and he's not even that physical, not to mention a reluctant fighter (plus he's injured!). Please don't say Brookbank. That dude has a fraction of Walker's fighting skills and doesn't translate any of that aggression into his play. The only physical guys we have are between 185 and 200 lbs.
Our issue is not size. We've built a team that is heavily dependent on skill and organized chaos in front of the net. We've gotten away from that play. We've stopped shooting. Our passes suck and have no purpose other than to clear the zone or allow the player to get to the bench. We are overly-dependent on playing along the boards, where we have no presence. We provide no traffic. We constantly dump the puck. We don't take the obvious shots. We pass the puck when we should fire it. The heart is gone. The speed is gone. The skating is gone. I have no clue where it went. But adding another 2-4 meat-heads will not turn our game around.
good points
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 09:13 — rmmeliYou make some excellent points. I cannot understand where the Laviolette style of offense has disappeared to either. Somehow they have replaced it with moronic dump and no chase but that could be due to the fact that the team has no confidence and go for the easy play. They seem to have lost the inability to even pass to each other. Having the top two centers playing so ineptly isn't helping either.....
Good PowerPlays
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 12:59 — Canes73It’s frustrating. When you watch the teams with successful powerplays, the passes are crisp and tape-to-tape. The good teams never have to fight for the puck in the corner while on the man advantage - they maintain possession at all times. The canes hold onto the puck too long and allow the defenders to get on them. Then they’re stuck throwing the puck to the corner. This results in the Canes powerplay losing possession and they end up spending half of the PP battling for the puck in the corner. Then once they lose those battles, the other half of the PP is spent retrieving the puck from their end. I wish they kept stats on the # of times the puck is cleared against a powerplay. The Canes would surely be at the bottom of that list. The Canes need to spend some time watching how teams like Detroit move the puck on the PP. They move the puck quickly and when they have a shot available they take it and get traffic to the net. Its not rocket science. Wake up coaches!
Yep
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 14:36 — fourcornersThis pretty much nails it down. We pass like sissies -- this is NOT exclusive to the PP, either. You'd think that a team that places emphasis on finesse would have exemplary passing, but I'd bet our puck possession time during the sum of our PPs has just absolutely shot through the floor, due largely to that.
Also, I like the idea of keeping a "clears" stat but am not sure how to properly execute it. Is a full-length clear that cuts twice the length of time out as simply putting the puck across the blue line worth twice the statistical value?
Pronger cannon
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 12:54 — VDid anyone else's shoes fall off when Pronger rifled a shot that hit the glass and could have easily broken it? The 'Canes have one arm like that - Babchuk - and obviously hitting the glass isn't the idea, but if you fire shots like that A LOT, odds are that one is going to hit the back of the net at some point. If nothing else, shots like that can intimidate the other team whenever 'that arm' is on the ice. A shot like that makes you want to get out of the way, not block it.
Definition of insanity...
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 12:10 — CanesHockeyLvris doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get a different result!
So, try something different.
I completely agree with the posters who said let Staal and Brindamour sit out the power plays. What they are doing isn't working! Cullen & Sutter have the passion that is missing in others. They are trying every second they are on the ice. Put them out there with Ruutu, Samsonov Whitney and hopefully soon Williams.
Do anything, but STOP doing what doesn't work!
Jr is - to All
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:47 — esteban1949A paid employee of the Carolina Hurricanes Inc as any other player,coach or staff employee is..If Mr. K and Company get tired of losing money...trust me he'll do something about it, just like his companies who own the jr team the whalers did recently...I guess Mr. K hadn't seen the vidoe tape of all the fans leaving early yet...maybe someone should send him one ? Pond Hockey at the NHL level isn't entertaining...it is down right pittiful...:-{
The problem with fans leaving early is...
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 13:22 — penaltykiller74PK already got the money from them coming in the building. And stopping alcohol sales 10 minutes into the third, the only thing they are not getting paid for is the occasional concession or Eye Store purchase.
PP woes
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:29 — ant1 - Dump the dump & chase. It's not working. All we end up doing is dumping the puck in and chasing it down the ice when they clear it. Waste of time!
2 - Bodies in front of the net. We need big bodies screening the goalie. Bodies moving in front of the net. If the goalie can't see it, he's going to have a hard time stopping it!
3 - Staal. During warm-ups, he snipes corners. During the game, if he gets time to shoot, he snipes the goalie's crest. Great job Eric, you've got that move down. Now get it BEHIND the goalie!! Preferably in the net.
4 - Put Samsonov on the PP. He took a few sneaky shots yesterday, shots that goalies have a hard time with. A quick little wrister that the goalie doesn't hear coming (unlike a slapshot) with a body screening him has a great chance of going in. Staal booming a slapper center mass on the goalie from 8' away...no chance of going in.
5 - NO Kaberle on the PP. He rarely shoots anymore, keep him off the PP. We need shots, not more passes.
6 - Ward. Either get more active playing the puck or sit on the bench & run the door. Standing back there is useless, help out.
7 - Eliminate the whole "Regroup & start over" mentality that we have. EVERY TIME the puck gets cleared, all 5 skaters come back to the defensive zone, puck carrier up the middle, 2 skating up each wing. It's not necessary, and it wastes time. Improvise. Be creative. There's no reason we should be coming back en masse like that every time. All the teams we play know we do it, and they just set up the trap in the neutral zone....and we skate right into the trap. It's getting old.
8 - Babchuk. Welcome back kid. Air out that shot. Get the puck to the net and make something happen. One more pass doesn't help.
9 - Pitkanen. Keep at it, the forwards are learning to roll back when you get agressive. Teach Babchuk to do it too.
I could go on, but I'll just get more ticked off. Sometimes I'd rather see us decline the penalty (can we do that??) or just put 4 skaters out there....our PP is pathetic, repetitive, and hard to watch.
4 Skaters
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:39 — WAStoutFunny you mention that...I've said that a couple of times to myself...on the PP, just pull a skater...we play very well 4-on-4. Or park the fifth beside our goal to defend on those constant break-aways.
Do something creative and unorthodox. May be surprised with the results.
PP and PK
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:10 — WAStoutBetter yet...start attacking short-handed...can't fix the PP? Start scoring on PK. Works well for Philly.
Wow, that is a novel
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:20 — rmmeliWow, that is a novel approach! I remember when that used to part of the Canes strategy but that got shelved long ago.
Pitkanen is underachieving,
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:05 — sparks1Pitkanen is underachieving, and so is Corvo.
disagree
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 00:53 — mdavidhallFor whatever its worth I would disagree with the statement that Pitkanen has under achieved. While he has had let downs at times (and who on this team hasn't), overall I have been really impressed with his play. Especially over the last couple of weeks.
I think a lot of his difficulties have come from his unfamiliarity with his teammates and their tendencies. And vice-versa. Most of these guys have never played with a guy of Pitkanen's offensive skill on the blueline, and it shows at times. There have been plenty of times where his teamates, especially the forwards, have not been in the right position or have been unable to take advantage of opportunities created by Joni.
I have also been impressed overall with his play in the defensive zone, which we all knew (or should have known) was not necessarily his strong suit. Sure he gets out of position at times and takes chances, but he is a high risk, high reward player. He is not a defnesive stopper. Still, I would not say that he has been the weakest link on defense. He is not a physical player by nature but he has shown a willingness to throw his body around more than I expected. And his one on one defensive skills especially in open ice, and on breakaways, has impressed me more than expected.
As for the power-pay and his performance there, I don't think this team's struggles can be layed at the the feet of one player. It's been a team-wide effort in futility of late. Pitkanen, above all else is a set-up guy on the PP, who from time to time will pick up goals from the point. But that is hard to do when you don't have traffic in front of the net to distract/obstruct the goaltender and other defenders. I do not see him as a guy with a wicked slapshot from the point ala Pronger. This team already takes way too many shots on the power play from too far out and at easily defended angles. That is the problem as I see it. But I would be the first to admit that I am no expert on the matter.
Also, I can remember at least 3 or 4 instances in the last couple of weeks alone where Pitkanen or Corvo have set up beautiful plays from the point or the wings only to have a forward miss a wide open net.
C'mon Canes let's get the power play working against the Pens!
-m
agreed
Tue, 12/02/2008 - 09:09 — rmmeliPitkanen has been a great asset and as you say I think the rest of the team do not understand just what he does. He has been outstanding in the last few games and without him the lame duck Canes would be in more serious trouble,
Rutherford
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 11:05 — rmmeliChip, why are you not asking Jim Rutherford the same questions? After all, he was the one who got Pitkanen and Corvo here to quarterback the power play?
Come to think of it Chip, what are your ideas?
SOOO Wrong
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 17:03 — larikatPitkanen was a great pick up. I can't disagree more with the insulting of the pick-ups of Corvo and Pitkanen. Do you remember how bad it was last November? The PP SUCKED then too. We get in this mid-November funk every year, and need to figure out how to break the cycle.
I like the idea of placing Sutter on the PP. He played really well the few weeks he was pushed up to the third line.
I wasn't criticizing either
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 17:17 — rmmeliI wasn't criticizing either pickup. I was asking Chip why not ask Jim Rutherford the questions rather than us.
ah
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 18:09 — aprince27this is the normal monday debate....what would you rather us debate. What sogns to play at the arena?
One main problem is the
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 10:57 — sparks1One main problem is the inability to seal off the wall down low and operate from that area. Williams usually does it and is out. They've tried Brindy there, but he's not 100%. They've tried Whitney there but he cannot distribute the puck effectively under pressure. Opponents are simply forcing the issue along the half wall and/or the points, resulting in a low percentage shot or us coughing up the puck. Basically, it's a lack of creativity and quick decision making.
PP time is earned - not gifted
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 10:32 — HockeydogSimply they need to demote those on the PP and try other players. Put Sutter and LaRose out there with Ruutu and let Wallin and Babchuk or Melichar on the back end. Put players on the ice that show the desire to compete 5 on 5 and they will surely compete 5 on 4.
Give ice time based on the effort, not the name on the back.
Well said
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 10:44 — WAStoutWell said Hockeydog. Stock the PP unit with 3rd/4th line guys. Those are the ones actually playing at 5-on-5 time.
Power Play
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 10:16 — abramsdougOne sign of intelligence is the willingness to change patterns when those patterns are not working. The power play has not worked for 2 1/4 years. To continue doing the same things that are not working would be the height of foolishness. The best solution would be to add a center/forward who has a wide body and speed and who can carry the puck himself and who will set up in front of the net. The dump and chase hasn't worked for over 2 years; so only a fool would continue to coach that approach as the primary power play approach. In the interim, play three defense men and put Babchuk or Melichar in front of the net. Both have the size and wingspan to create havoc there and take up space. Leave Brind'Amour and Staal on the bench during power plays for the time being. Put Cullen, Ruutu, Samsonov, Whitney, Walker (when he returns), Williams (when he returns), LaRose and Sutter, rotating shifts on the ice. If Eaves continues to improve put him in. Play two defense men (in addition to Babchuk or Melichar) so at least there won't be endless short-handed rushes. Staal and Brind'Amour at this point in time are impeding the power play for a number of reasons. They'll come around on 5 on 5; and eventually Staal will work his way out of the slump to be integral to the power play. Brind'Amour is more a leader in the clubhouse than on the ice; so reduce his ice time on power plays unless and until he can shoulder the load. He is still the emotional leader of the team; even though he is nowhere his pre-injury abilities.
no plan
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 07:59 — rmmeliSeems that they have no idea what the game plan is on the power play apart from hit the puck in from one side and overload the defenseman as it comes around the boards. They have tried that for the last 25 power plays and it hasn't worked yet they continue to do it. Good coaching?
Even if they set it up in the zone, they then play the four corners presumably to kill off the rest of the power play so they can get back to 5 on 5.
The playoffs are not likely
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 07:48 — GENONovember was a bust and December will be no better. The team needs a rebuilding effort for future seasons. 2 or 3 goals a game will get you a .500 season and a lot of talent wasted. Teams had solved the Hurricane's system and it's time for a new coach, a trade for a young forward and a bruising enforcer to stem the injury tides. Rutherford, you're losing fans willing to buy tickets in a tight economy.
The line that did
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 06:54 — esteban1949seeing the Helminen is back with the Rats, the "ODD LINE" isn't anymore. Yet I would agree that the team leaders Rod, and Eric need to sit a game or 2 to see what is not going on, so they can see what they need to do. Sadly as well paid pros, they should know better. And to Jump start the power play, I'll be honest, I don't have a clue. And does any of us here really got any tangable help that the team management, or the coach would actually follow or be willing to sit down and listen ? Not saying they should read or ask any of us here out to lunch and pick our brains, yet something has to be done, but what ? Heck the Jr. Hurricanes won (5-2) and from the play by play...I heard, Moose Jaw skated harder and better than we did, and they like the Canes..lost ! Go figure ? Sorta makes me glad I can't afford to come to any of the home games.
Go Canes ! Please ??
The real question
Mon, 12/01/2008 - 01:58 — VWe all know the 'Canes PP sucks donkey, and I can't for the life of me figure out why any man-advantage situation fails to produce pretty much every single time it arises, but the bigger question (or perhaps the question that might ultimately answer why the PP sucks) might be 'why do these guys so often play like they've never met?' What's wrong in that locker room? Is there a battle for/question about leadership? Is there just no chemistry? Do the players just not like it here? Is it the coaching staff and the almost squirrely approach to line combinations? Do the players need a Herb Brooks-type guy to go in and strongarm them into hating the coach and playing well to spite him? Or ... what? No chemistry anywhere (except for that LaRose, Helminen, Ruutu line that was actually working and got shot down anyway.)
*sigh* I'm going to bed. Hopeful, but not expectant, about Thursday's game against the Pens.