Eric Staal was moved to the wing on Brandon Sutter's line Saturday and had a goal and an assist as the Canes beat the Penguins 5-3.
Question: should Staal stay on the wing for a while?
Canes coach Paul Maurice said Staal could be used at both center and wing, but the switch to the wing did have immediate results. Should he stay with Sutter and Chad LaRose?
The floor is open.
A Raleigh native, Chip has worked at the N&O since 1979 and is the Canes beat writer. He can be reached at
Comments
Congrats to Eric and yet more ridiculousness about LaRose
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:32 — wolverine09Does anybody know the Canes won against Pittsburgh? Complaining when they lose AND when they win? I think NetMinder needs a new team. (Hint, pick Detroit since they spend a ton of money and are always good. Of course, then you'd still feel compelled to go online and complain about how Lidstrom is old and Datsyuk is little).
Congrats to Staal on a couple of big points in a big game. He played well and got rewarded in a victory, which is great to see. Let's hope they come in bundles. Hard to argue one game into the "Staal on the wing" experiment that it's going poorly, so it seems like he should stay there for now regardless of his linemates.
As for LaRose, here's the absurd argument being laid out.
A) LaRose is a 4th line guy because he doesn't have skill
B) Skilled guys are the ones who score the goals
C) LaRose has a big chunk of our goals this year so
D) Our opponents must be letting him score and
E) Just for good measure, we're pretty sure he's out of position
I'm not here to champion the guy, but it's nuts to write stuff like this. Just be objective. Is LaRose a top 6 guy in the NHL? Nope. Is he on this team? Maybe when your choices are Poinikorovsky and Stewart, two guys who played on terrible teams and were still available at little cost. And, by the way, if so many people hate LaRose, then why don't they hate Ruutu? He plays the same minutes mostly with linemates who supposedly "require a diamond to defend" (Skinner and Jokinen). For all is size he still has about the same number of hits as LaRose (38 vs. 35) all for the bargain price of $3.8 million. I should hate him.
Instead, I like Ruutu. And Staal. And LaRose. And the Canes. I hope they win the Cup so NetMinder can let us all know he predicted it.
LaRose
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:53 — NetMinderI like LaRose, too. On the fourth line. Where he was when the Canes won the Cup. Which, by the way, no one predicted.
Ruutu is the Perfect Comparison
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:04 — abramsdougCheck out who else gets goals and assists when Ruutu is on the line with Skinner and Jokinen. That point is precisely why it matters to get LaRose out of the top six. When the Skinner/Ruutu/Jokinen line is playing, they pass to each other and all three rack up points at even strength. The fact that at even strength LaRose has perhaps 1 assist to Staal speaks volumes. It really isn't complex. It isn't a new observation. It's just how the statistics bear out what can been seen on the video of games.
I AGREE THAT LAROSE ISN'T A TOP SIX FORWARD
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:56 — wolverine09... but on this team, we lack a better option right now and I'm not sure what everyone wants LaRose to do. He has the second most points on our team which is a problem but not HIS problem. It's a reflection on the quality of the rest of the group. Poinikorovsky plays over 15 minutes a game and has 4 points. Ruutu plays over 15 minutes a game and has 8 (with only 2 assists, so all of his great passes must be happening well before any goals for his line).
Ruutu: 4 goals in the last 5 games
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:44 — abramsdougRuutu now has 4 goals in the last 5 games. You can watch the Skinner/Ruutu/Jokinen line and see that they have great hockey sense and excellent hands. You can watch LaRose and Staal and see that they are not great 5 on 5 passers. Frankly, you can graph out what happens in whichever line LaRose plays. The other players' productivity at even strength plummets. LaRose is all heart. He hustles. He battles. He also has very poor hands and doesn't finish well. He also poor hockey sense.
Tonight Dwyer was a man on a mission. His two short-handed goals gave the Hurricanes a chance. LaRose had multiple choice, golden opportunities and couldn't finish. His play on the fifth goal sealed the Hurricanes' doom. It isn't that everything LaRose does is terrible. He, however, work in the top six.
The Hurricanes organization has to decide if it wants to be a door mat NHL team. If the Hurricanes organization wants to improve, it has to jettison average to below average players and replace them with more talented players. As long as LaRose is in the top six it's a clear signal that the Hurricanes lack talent. As long as the same team takes the ice, the Hurricanes will playing golf in April.
I agree with you about
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 12:35 — CanarseI agree with you about Rutuu. He got off to a slow start, but has done a good job returning to form.
Blaming LaRose for the fifth goal is so off base. Yes, his centering pass was deflected by Pronger. Honestly, how many centering passes actually get through in the NHL? That goal was on Gleason. No way he can get beat in that situation. That should have been a simple 2 on 2, but Gleason took too long to get on his horse and got torched. Bad play.
I disagree about the LaRose
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 13:28 — abramsdougI disagree about the LaRose pass. It was almost guaranteed to deflect out and to create an odd man rush. Pronger had it read the entire time. I agree that Gleason had a terrible night and that had played it well, it would not have resulted in a goal.
How much players are paid is
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 11:24 — lewpulsHow much players are paid is not the coach's problem. The money is gone. Mo's problem is where to play them to get the most out of each of them. LaRose on the 4th, PK, fill in on 3rd as necessary, gets the best from him.
I'd sit Dwyer, who has two assists in 17 games mostly in top 9 forwards. Though he also fits on 4th and PK.
Wing
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:48 — CanarseStaal is much better suited to play wing. He's never been a strong defensive player which is what you need at center. His faceoff skills have never developed and he's really not a playmaker. This season has shown that Staal needs some kind of playmaker to get him opportunities. The Canes desparately need a quality centerman.
I'm not sure Sutter is that guy. I love Sutter defensively, but I'm not sure his offensive game is top 6 material. All 4 of Sutter's goals this season have been when he has been in all alone of the goalie and he scores with a nice shot. There is a lot more to offense than getting free and clear. He hasn't created a lot of chances on the cycle from what I have seen in his career. Maybe having a player the calibre of Staal on his wing will allow him to show his offensive skills, but I have my doubts. Sutter's faceoff abilites are also very sub-par which is a real negative for a checking centerman.
1 Win shouldn't change a thing
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:41 — ptuckerOn the Staal subject, I really don't have an opinion about whether he plays at center or at wing. As long as he is playing with other competent "skill guys" on his line (this means NO CHAD LaRose), they can play him at whatever position they want. Now that he got the monkey off his back, maybe his head will be a bit more clear, and his entire game will come back.
The bigger question is why there has not been a major press release yet. Last Monday, Rutherford says that short term changes were on the way immediately. Nothing has been done, and a week has passed. The way this team has played the last 5-6 games (and YES, the Pitt game is included because they very easily could have lost that game with another 3rd period collapse), Coach MO should be gone. There is no way that Saturday's game should SAVE his job. It wasn't a great game anyway, aside from the fact that they finally got some scoring. They gave up way too many shots again (Ward won the game by standing on his head yet again), got way too conservative and lazy with a lead (another classic example of MO coaching), and the lines were completely reshuffled from the night before (can we ever see lines in tact for more than one game!) This all reeks of desperation from a Coach that knows he is falling off the Edge! I for one will be glad to give him the PUSH needed for him to fall off!!!!!!!
Yep - Keep him there
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:54 — jrscanesLack of scoring productivity while playing center has got to impact his psyche. Leave him at wing for a while and let him build up some stats. Probably help improve his ability to play center later on in the season. I know he is an unselfish player but a little "selfishness" will likely go a long way in getting him out of whatever funk he's been in.
Deep @ Center??
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:49 — smhockey* Staal often lacks the legs to play a 2-way game @ center. Note the +/-. Wing lets him free-wheel and create and snipe w/o that burden. Sutter @ 1st Center worth a try. However, that's two tall lanky types on L1. If Poni can keep up and jam the net -- his bulk/strength needed by Staal/Sutter.
* I have to believe that Larose has been favored because of fan polling. The guy has a following @ the gate. Any other conclusion ends in absurd management judgement. L4
* Line 3 becomes a big challenge w/o Sutter. Shots against has to be a dominant objective for L3/4. L1/L2 have got to do the scoring while responsibly back-checking. (But, Sutter's scoring & 2-way game from L3 will be missed. Yes there is a sizable "Talent Gap").
* Ward beat Pittsburgh -- period. But 40 shots/game is unacceptable. The D' has to be focussed on D' 1st. Counting on them to create scoring is scary given the talent mix. Maybe in 2-3 years. Falk & Demoulin shouldn't be rushed.
PS: Is McBain a slow starter again or has he fallen off?? Lots of errors and little to impress.
Staal
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:34 — B11656Yes leave Staal on the Wing until a trade is Made either for a First Line Center or Winger. Let Sutter Center until that doesn;t work or a trade is made. Still Defensive lapses in the third. There needs to be some ass chapping on that. Effort was very good. Which team will show up tomorrow?
Give Larose some credit
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:30 — puborexFor all the "Larose should be on the fourth line" talk, the guy does have five goals and six assists. Pointwise, that's as good or better than such luminaries as Dany Heatley, Jarome Iginla, or Pavel Datsyuk. While I'm not claiming that Larose should be mentioned in the same breath as those guys, I do think he's earned a little more respect than he's generally been getting.
I disagree that fans are
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 12:35 — abramsdougI disagree that fans are obsessed with LaRose or don't respect him. LaRose didn't force Maurice to play him in the top six. I know I like LaRose but thought it made no sense to have both LaRose and Dwyer on the same team. I'd have picked Dwyer over LaRose because Dwyer is faster, has better hands, and thinks the game better. LaRose gives 110% and is great off the ice; so I could understand the choice of LaRose over Dwyer.
What I do not like at all is the way overslotting LaRose and giving him too much time on the ice hurts the Hurricanes. There is no excuse for the Hurricanes being in 27th place. The fact that opposing teams basically hand the puck to LaRose when he's on either the first or second line says it all. If all LaRose can do without being covered is 5 goals and 7 assists, then the opposing coaches are right to treat him as an afterthought.
I suggest people watch the game tonight and see how there is a diamond following Staal and Skinner around the ice. Look at how closely the gaps are kept and how there is always at least one support opposing player ready to attack Skinner and Staal. Now look at LaRose. You can see open ice all around him. It's not accidental. It's a conscious decision to play 5 and 4 and let LaRose go where ever he wants and shoot where ever he wants other than at the crease. It isn't rocket science.
Snip
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 08:36 — CanarseSnip
Obsession
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:39 — CanarseThis LaRose thing has become an obsession, just like when Brind'Amour was struggling at the end. The guy has become a scapegoat.
Teams play defensive systems. They rarely concentrate on one player. They may keep an eye on a player, but it's silly to say the only reason LaRose scores is because everyone is watching Staal. LaRose isn't highly skilled, but he does go to the right places and his statistics show that he does. Is he a top 6 forward? No, but he certainly deserves more respect than he's getting here.
Half Right
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 17:30 — sittler27I think you are half right. Teams do play defensive systems but when there is one star player on an opposing team that can hurt you there is also no doubt that teams put out their top shut down D man and a strong forward against them and they pay special attention to that player. Why else would you see certain matchups when the home team has last change and quick changes from road teams after a faceoff to get the matchups they want.
Rememeber how we tried to put a specific forward and D on Ovechkin every game last year. Crosby, when he was healthy, got special attention from just about every team. And Staal has too over his career. Teams are very aware he is a shooter and they always try to take time and space away from him. That in turn should create additional time and space for linemates. That to me is where LaRose has taken advantage of some of thsoe opportunities but on the flip side he has allowed other teams to concentrate even more on Staal because of their lesser respect for Chad. I have long admired LaRose for his work ethic, courage and leadership. But when I have isolated on him I see what his detractors see. Too many errant passes, good passes onto his stick that are mishandled, energy fueled but irresponsible overcommitment that leaves lanes open, soft passes..... I looked at one stretch of games and counted 6 times where Staal was deep and fed LaRose a perfect in the slot which he mishandled so badly it resulted in an odd man rush the other way and a goal. Not saying that is solely the reason why Staal is -17, but it has contributed.
Chad is a very good penalty killer. He provides energy. He leads by example and gets the most from his talent. He is good as a defensive forward. But in my opinion he is overmatched when trying to be the setup man for an elite sniper like Staal and that is hurting Staal's game. Imagine for a minute a scenario where we had either a Ray Whitney like playmaker or a James Neal like power forward on wing with Sutter and Staal. That line would be deadly.
sittler27, I wonder how
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:54 — abramsdougsittler27, I wonder how many hockey players and hockey fans played basketball. It's Rule 101 of a point guard that unless you prove you can drill shots from the top of the key, you are ultimately useless at the college level. Why? Because until you prove you can score, teams drop back and beg you to take the shot.
I respectfully suggest if you have access to the video of tonight's game, there are times where the Flyers defenseman started to take space away from LaRose by gapping up, but then dropped back as if they were coached to leave LaRose with tons of space so they could supplement the coverage on Staal. It's as obvious as the fact that Laviolette had some specific spots on the ice where the Flyers were taking shots toward Ward's gloveside. If you put the isocam on LaRose for the entire game against Philadelphia I suggest you will also see that LaRose had at least five quality shots that he did not finish. On the last Philadelphia goal, he had at least two bad passes that ultimately lead to the nail in the coffin.
LaRose is working hard. He gives all he has and more. He never gives up. He is however on the players with the least amount of hockey sense I've seen on the Hurricanes team. It's lethal for a player who is being put with Staal and taking up those minutes of ice time. LaRose has not sold anybody on the fact that he is a deadly scorer or a playmaker. The reason is he has never been one in the NHL.
Add to the problem that Maurice will not play his fourth line and will not put Dalpe or Boychuk up with Staal with any consistency. It's a mess.
Seriously?
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 12:28 — CanarseYour supposed rule of a point guard isn't even correct at the NBA level! Exhibit A: Rajon Rondo.
Sorry. You are mistaken.
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 13:32 — abramsdougSorry. You are mistaken. No coach wants a point guard who can't drill it from the top of the key. That is in fact Rule 101 of basketball. It is true that with the NBA becoming a league of dunks, you might find one team that has an exception. Pointing to one point guard on one NBA team as representing anything other than an outlier is highly inaccurate.
Incorrect
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 17:12 — CanarseI really don't know where you get this stuff. A point guard's job is to distribute the ball. Shooting is secondary. It's nice to have and many of the best point guards can shoot, but it's not required. In today's fast paced game the first requirement of a point guard is to be able to penatrate and run the court. I don't know if you have noticed, but Kendall Marshall at UNC isn't much of a shooter either.
Rondo is an outlier, eh? How about Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Tyreke Evans, Russell Westbrook? Heck, the league MVP, Derek Rose, has a suspect shot. If you think a point guard that can shoot is basketball 101 you need remedial study.
Ok, I will pull a
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 18:12 — abramsdougOk, I will pull a Tripp Tracey. I played point guard years and years ago. I was recruited by a number of colleges, including WFU. I turned down basketball scholarships to try out at WFU because I wanted to go to law school at WFU (yes I knew that at age 18). I played JV at Wake and continued to play throughout law school with the WFU basketball players, some of whom had their jerseys retired.
I guarantee you it is Rule 101 of a point guard that if you can't drill it from the top of the key you are not going to be playing in the ACC or any other college. The same is true for the NBA. I was taught that rule beginning at age 8. I heard it time after time, including by Frank McGuire at the University of South Carolina basketball camp, the Clemson basketball camp, and by many other college coaches repeatedly. Sorry, you are mistaken. It is not complicated. It is not rocket science. It's just how it is. The same simplicity applies for hockey. If you are on a scoring line, if you can't score, you are going to bog down the team. It's inarguable.
Don't you know who I am!
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 19:05 — CanarseI give you real examples. Plenty of them. They are all poor shooters. Instead of responding with any real facts or examples you claim to have authority and to have taught by a famous coach. Have you ever considred that I may have played a little ball in my time? I choose not to name drop about basketball or any other subject. Who I am, or who you are, is irrelevant. Information stands on it's own quite nicely.
The ability to shoot for a point guard is absolutely not "basketball 101" and I have given many examples.
You are incorrect. Time
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 19:14 — abramsdougYou are incorrect. Time after time, day after day, point guards spend hour after hour shooting from the top of the key. High school coaches ingrain it. College coaches ingrain it. It's really not capable of being argued. What is amazing is how good shooters players are who don't have a reputation for being shooters. The level of competition is amazing. We will agree to disagree. I know what I was taught. I know what college coaches continue to teach. I know what some of the guys who had tremendous NBA careers did to work out. Go to any gym where the NBA players are working out in the summers. Try to get in a game with them. It's eye opening.
Amazing..
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 20:02 — CanarseYou are changing the subject. I know college and NBA players work very hard on their shooting, including point guards. Every basketball player needs to shoot better. All of this is irrelevant to your original point.
You claimed that the ability of a point guard to shoot from the top of the key was a requirement for success. My response was that it is, and was not, a requirement of success and provided many examples of current star point guards that are poor shooters. Frank McGuire may have had a different theory, but it doesn't change the fact that shooting is not required to be a successful point guard. I am not incorrect in this case and I challenge you to provide solid information, aside from your own experience, to back up your point.
Matchups
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:08 — CanarseI understand matchups as you describe. I also understand that teams don't want to give certain players a lot of time and space, but I would totally disagree that they ignore any player on the ice. I also disagree that Staal is a shooter. I would love to see a chart of where Staal has scored all his goals over the past few years. I'm willing to bet a large sum of money that 80+% are within 15 ft. of the goal. He's a power forward and when he goes to the net he scores. When he doesn't.....
I agree that LaRose's skill set is subpar for top 6 play, but he does go to the right places. There is no doubt the Canes, and Staal in particular, need a playmaker in the worst way, but acting like LaRose's success is because no one covers him is a joke. He's short on skill, but works hard and does what he's supposed to do. If some of the more "talented" players on the Hurricanes followed his lead they might actually find some success.
ONE MORE THING
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:58 — NetMinderIf you really want to see where a player with LaRose's (lack of) size, speed and skill hurts us, watch his play in the neutral zone. Soft dump-ins, errant passes, rubbed out along the boards and turnovers. Why? Because he doesn't have the size to challenge and get by defenders, runs out of time and space and has no other options.
Yeah, but ...
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:46 — NetMinderThe only reason LaRose has those 11 points is because our opponents play off him to concentrate on his linemates. He routinely mishandles the puck, fires shots right into the logo on the goalie's sweater and skates around looking for someone to hit only to be flicked off like an annoying gnat. Granted, the guy is scrappy, a fan favorite and fun to watch, but has neither the size nor skill to be anything other than a fourth liner. No disrespect, but LaRose needs to be played where he will do the Canes the most good. That means on the fourth line and PK, not dragging down real goal scorers or taking up space on the power play.
LaRose drags his line down
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 12:26 — abramsdougLaRose drags his line down offensively where ever he goes. It's patently obvious watching the videos of games and seeing how teams fall away from LaRose and put pressure on other players. It's great LaRose has 5 goals. For the time that he has been on the ice and the looks he's had at the net, it's pretty poor. For example, Anthony Stewart has two goals in a fraction of the time. LaRose is not good positionally and that creates trouble for his linemates as well. Add the terrible penalties he takes and there is a reason Laviolette said LaRose was a fourth line player. The overslotting of LaRose was an isse last season and it continues to be as much or more a problem now.
The simple test would be to run LaRose on the fourth line or even healthy scratch him. If the team doesn't play worse for his absence, he's irrelevant. If the team plays better, he was a hindrance. We'd all have a good idea in now more than three games.
KEEP STAAL AT WING
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:20 — NetMinderKeep Staal at wing. Package a "D," one of our young forwards and a pick. Shop for a top first line center to complement Staal. Put LaRose where he belongs, on the fourth line or in the press box. Show Mo the door. And put a product on the ice that fills the RBC Center with Canes fans instead Pens fans.
There were as many Pens sweaters as there were Canes sweaters Saturday night. The only good thing was, when both sets of fans were simultaneously chanting "Let's go Canes/Let's go Pens," it sounded like "Let's go Canes" and got really loud. That said, it was nice to see those Pittsburgh fans heading home with an L and a frown.
Back to the question at hand. What do you wanna bet Mo stays and we bring back Cole from Montreal to play with Staal who moves back to center? That would be vintage JR, wouldn't it?
Cole
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:00 — CanarseBringing back Cole from Montreal would be a huge mistake. The guy signed his big contract and is now coasting. It was predicted by many. If I owned the Canes and the GM, who said not to pay the guy, wanted him back I would fire said GM on the spot.
Staal as a Right Wing
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 07:41 — abramsdougIt is simple. Yes, Staal needs to play right wing. Sutter works quite well as the first line center; but ultimately, the Hurricanes may want to either work Dalpe or Rask in as the first line center; or may want to draft a first line center. LaRose needs to be taken out of the top six this minute. It's a really bad idea; and whoever keeps making this decision strike me as being as out of town as the committee that designed the Edsel, reputed to be the uglest car ever designed. In fact, the Hurricanes coaches should really get LaRose to the fourth line post haste.
Dalpe, Boychuk, or Ponikarovsky (although apparently he know as a lower body injury) should be playing left wing on the Sutter/Staal line. The idea for lines is to make certain they are balanced. Skinner/Ruutu/Jokinen is a line that has worked every time it is put together. The greatest mystery is why intelligent, experienced hockey coaches ever thought it was a grand plan to separate Skinner/Ruutu/Jokinen.
It's not a surprise to me that the Hurricanes are not 27th in the entire NHL. For a team like the Hurricanes that lacks one or two more elite players to truly be a contending team, the maximum use of the players is essential. A much higher degree of creative imagination is needed as well. Insisting on using LaRose in the top six is one of the worst decisions I've seen any Hurricanes coach make. Finally putting Staal on a wing is one of the better line decisions; but as if to offset one excellent decision with one destined to underwhelm, LaRose was brought back to the first line. I see it as a testament to the ability of otherwise very intelligent people to rationalize almost any result. LaRose is much beloved and deservedly so.
I look at the talent on the Hurricanes team and am convinced it is much better talent than 27th place. I look at the continued and almost unrelenting mismanagement of the forward lines, and the team as put out on the ice by Maurice and the coaches, the Hurricanes are lucky only to be in 27th place.
Is this about Staal or LaRose?
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:58 — CanarseA question about Staal elicits another treatise about LaRose? Sheesh...
There Were Two Questions Posed
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:16 — NetMinderOne — Should Staal stay on the wing for awhile?
Two — Should he stay with Sutter and Chad LaRose?
Seems logical that LaRose would enter into the conversation.
There is a difference
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 10:42 — CanarseThere is a difference between LaRose entering the conversation and becoming the conversation. He and Maurice have pretty much dominated the conversation around here for a while. It would be nice if it were that simple.
And yet, Doug, don't you
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 07:52 — lewpulsAnd yet, Doug, don't you favor keeping Mo the rest of the season, despite the bizarre coaching choices? Does that make sense?
I'd keep Staal on wing for a while, certainly. For someone in a slump, change of routine is a possible cure. And Mo's formula for "success" demands that the team's best offensive player (or two) make a difference.
LaRose
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:25 — gso_canes_fanto the 4th line where he can better us his moxie and earn part of his million dollar salary.
Staal on the Sutter line for a short time. Need to get the Sutter line back that has been effective against opposing teams top lines
Not sure who would replace Mo if he gets canned
Million Dollar Salary?
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 09:33 — NetMinderTry $1.9 million for a player who doesn't have the speed, skill or size to be anything in this league other than a fourth line pest.
salary facts
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:39 — wolverine09LaRose's salary for this year is $1.5 million and his cap hit is $1.7 million. His salary goes up to $1.9 million next year.