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Canes general manager Jim Rutherford said Friday he has had recent conversations with Alexander Semin's agent. The Canes still are interested in the free-agent winger, but only if he'll agree to accept a one-year contract.

Rutherford didn't mention any numbers but Semin is thought be asking $7 million or more a year (he made $6.7 million last year with Washington.)

Question: is Semin worth it? Or would he be too big a gamble?

The floor is open.

 

 

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Now the Rangers have landed Nash

We need to land a first line forward and Semin seems to be the only real choice.  I know it is not my money, at least not just my money for my season tickets, but 3 years at 5.5-6.5/year may be what needs to happen.  He has killed us for the Caps for years, maybe we can get him to kill some Caps and Rangers for us.

Now that Nash..

has been dealt for Anisimov, Dubinsky, Erixon and a first roune pick, let's see what transpires.  Appears as though Columbus really lowered their asking price getting those players mentioned.  It is now more incumbent on management/ownership that even to get that top  forward.  

Now That Nash is Going to NYR

Time to sign Semin.  Quick.

One Year

I think Rutherford will stick to the one year offer for two reasons.  First is the obvious questions about Semin's attitude and work ethic.  None of us know for sure what is the truth.  There sure is a lot of smoke around the guy.  

The second reason has to do with the CBA.  I think the Canes are sticking to the one year deals so they have plenty of flexibility when the new CBA is created.  The cap may be going down which could leave some teams in a bind with too much salary.  The Canes could be in position to go on a bargain shopping spree next summer.

One Year

Good points, I think we would still be under the cap. I am just longing for a good cup run and would like JR to do everything possible to make it happen. I know 2 yrs. might be pushing it but I am hungry for a genuine run at the cup. We need another winger to put pucks in the net. I know "hope and change" has got us in trouble in political arenas but....LOL

Sign Alexander Semin

IMO signing Semin would be a plus. A change of scenery is what he needs. Between Eric and Jordan and Muller I think Semin will play his heart out for the organization. His stats are very good (see one of previous posts). As far as attitude goes that's all subjective. Who knows what went on behind the scenes or what the hearsay is all about. Another chance is warranted here, I would like to see a 2 year contract and let's see what this man can do. He might get to Carolina see the the area and be out of the Washington area press and be relaxed. Like the other players once they're here they don't want to leave. Let's take a chance.

 JR should offer Semin 

 JR should offer Semin  5.5 Mil x 3 years.  I don't think it would be impossible to move that contract if Semin didn't work out. There is a risk, no doubt. I don't know how this has been discussed between JR and Muller. Maybe a face to face between JR/Muller and Semin/agent?

Signing Semin...

gives this team the top six forward it dearly needs AND better balance up front. It would help make this team harder to defend as other teams can't concentrate on just the one line  Say the 'Canes do sign Semin, this is how the lines might look

Semin/ E.Staal/Tlusty

Skinner/J.Staal/Ruutu

Jokinen/Welsh (assuming he's signed)/Larose

Dwyer/Nodl/Stewart/Brent

Two lines that could flat out score, a third that can contribute at both ends of the ice and the fourth that would be similar to the one in the '05-'06 season.

I don't think it's an attitude problem...

...I'd bet it's ADD but it can sure look like an attitude issue sometimes.  It's actually attention inconsistent - look at the 'good Alex, bad Alex' thing.  And it is treatable!

Yes.

Sign him for the three years.

The Best Winger Out There

Don't want to wait another year.......get it done JR.......one year, two years, maybe three with ability to trade when you needed.

Is he worth 7 million?

NO!!!  He has attitude issues that need to be corrected.  I don't see spending $ 7 million on a MAYBE!  Send him back to the KHL and let them deal with him.  There are other wingers we can get for $4-5 million and have better attitudes.

IMHO....GO CANES!!

There aren't, though. The

There aren't, though. The only top six wingers left on the free agent market are Doan, Kostitsyn and Semin. Doan doesn't want to play here and Kostitsyn has similar isues to Semin.

I wouldn't sign Semin at $7M for multiple years, but what is the problem with one year? The team is millions below the cap floor anyway and it's not like there's a bunch of other quality players that they can use that money on.

Oh, right. "Attitude" and "locker room problems". Well, currently this team has a huge "lack of talent" problem. To the people screaming "no!!!" to Semin, I don't want to hear any complaining when the puck drops and Chad LaRose is on the first PP unit.

I haven't heard any other

I haven't heard any other source suggesting that Semin was seeking $7 million; but Chip doesn't throw out figures without a basis. It isn't his nature.  I wonder if Semin's agent, Mark Gandler is keeping the asking price well out of reach until he sees what happens with Doan and Ryan.  On the other hand, from what I hear and read, it feels as if a four year contract at $5.5 million to $6 million would be a deal Semin would sign.  

Get It Done Jimmy!

This week would be the week you need to get it done and sign Semin if the Canes are truly interested.  It seems there are not a ton of long term contract offers coming in for Semin, the Canes have shown they are willing to take a chance on the guy, find some middle ground on a two year deal and lock him up before the dominoes begin to fall again once Shane Doan signs and the rush will be on for the guy's still out there...

Once Doan settles on his new contract, there will be a few teams moving more quickly to sign Semin.  JR needs to roll up his sleeves and get a deal done for Semin and then announce he has found that coveted first line, sniper for Eric's wing.

 

 

Get It Done Jimmy!

This week would be the week you need to get it done and sign Semin if the Canes are truly interested.  It seems there are not a ton of long term contract offers coming in for Semin, the Canes have shown they are willing to take a chance on the guy, find some middle ground on a two year deal and lock him up before the dominoes begin to fall again once Shane Doan signs and the rush will be on for the guy's still out there...

Once Doan settles on his new contract, there will be a few teams moving more quickly to sign Semin.  JR needs to roll up his sleeves and get a deal done for Semin and then announce he has found that coveted first line, sniper for Eric's wing.

 

 

Get It Done Jimmy!

This week would be the week you need to get it done and sign Semin if the Canes are truly interested.  It seems there are not a ton of long term contract offers coming in for Semin, the Canes have shown they are willing to take a chance on the guy, find some middle ground on a two year deal and lock him up before the dominoes begin to fall again once Shane Doan signs and the rush will be on for the guy's still out there...

Once Doan settles on his new contract, there will be a few teams moving more quickly to sign Semin.  JR needs to roll up his sleeves and get a deal done for Semin and then announce he has found that coveted first line, sniper for Eric's wing.

 

 

Go For It

I have heard so many people not want Semin here.  I honestly think that would be a great move to obtain him. 

If the rumors are true that he wants an average of 5.5 over three years, then I say jump on it.  It is less that what he was making, and there is no sense for the Canes to lose  out on yet another player.  I would say if he is signed to not give him a NTC or NMC clause.

It is a waiting game to see what JR does.  Let's hope we get someone.

Sign Semin: Increasingly the Canes Best Option

 

  The more I review articles on Semin and consider the alternatives, the clearer it is that Semin is the best option available to the Hurricanes if they want to add an experienced, scoring top six forward.  I am copying here a post I wrote at www.  canescountry.com under the theory that it isn't plagarism to use one's own article.  

First, let’s look at Semin’s stats compared with Canes forwards:

2011-2012:

Eric Staal 24 goals 46 assists 70 points +/- minus 20

Semin 21 goals 33 assists 54 points +/- plus 9

Jokinen 12 goals 34 assists 46 points +/- minus 2

Skinner 20 goals 24 assists 44 points +/- minus 8

Tlusty 17 goals 19 assists 36 points +/- plus 1

Ruutu 18 goals 16 assists 34 points +/- minus 3

Chad LaRose 19 goals 13 assists 32 points +/- minus 15

2010-2011:

Eric Staal 33 goals 43 assists 76 points +/- minus 10

Skinner 31 goals 32 assists 63 points +/- plus 3

Ruutu 19 goals 38 assists 57 points +/- plus 1

Semin 28 goals 26 assists 54 points +/- plus 22

Cole 26 goals 26 assists 52 points +/- minus 1

Jokinen 19 goals 33 assists 52 points +/- plus 3

Chad LaRose 16 goals 15 assists 31 points +/- minus 21

2009-2010:

Semin 40 goals 44 assists 84 points +/- plus 36

Staal 29 goals 41 assists 70 points +/- plus 4

Jokinen 30 goals 35 assists 65 points +/- plus 3

Whitney 21 goals 37 assists 58 points +/- minus 6

Cullen 12 goals 28 assists 40 points +/- 0

Sutter: 21 goals 19 assists 40 points +/- minus 1

Ruutu 14 goals 21 assists 35 points +/- minus 4

Samsonov 14 goals 15 assists 29 points +/- minus 15

LaRose: 11 goals 17 assists 28 points +/- minus 2

Reviewing Semin’s statistics, it belies the myth that he is a wretched defensive player; or he is such an offensive scoring machine that any defensive weaknesses are vastly overweighed by his offensive firepower. One can argue that even if he is not giving his 100% best effort each shift, whatever percentage of effort he gives per game the end results exceed the results of most NHL forwards giving 120% each shift.

My view is that Semin is the kind of opportunistic player who picks his spots; and then strikes. Semin has ripped the Hurricanes apart with regularity. I have written elsewhere and believe it to substantially true that most members of the media and many fans heap tremendous praise on Parise because he scores 25 goals and makes it look like work; but those same members of the media lambast Semin because he scores 40 goals, but makes it look easy.

The Hurricanes would have an amazing off-season if they could wind up adding Jordan Staal and Semin. Jordan Staal is one of the NHL’s elite centers. Semin is a top five to top ten NHL talent. Having Eric Staal, Jordan Staal, Skinner, and Semin would give the Hurricanes the raw talent to compete against any team. Muller and MacLean excel at motivation. Semin has always produced at a high level.

It’s undoubtedly true that Semin has the ability to be one of the best players in the NHL; and I can understand why coaches could see all that potential and want him to be the NHL’s leading scorer. Even so, the fact that Semin has not reached his upper limit of ability should not detract from what he has already accomplished; and what he can accomplish for the Hurricanes.

The Hurricanes will have to give up assets and draft choices to make a trade. The Hurricanes have struggled to build up the talent pool; and a trade would risk undermining what the Hurricanes organization has accomplished in Charlotte and in the system. Semin is a high return and low risk proposition. My conclusion is that the Hurricanes need to spend whatever it takes to sign Semin and to sign him for whatever term it takes to convince him to come to Carolina. In fact, a longer term deal benefits the Hurricanes because they may well have an Ovechkin or Malkin for a fraction of the cost.

Semin

I certainly do not have a wealth of knowledge like most of our posters, but, I have watched Semin and I have liked him long before this season.  I agree with AD, I think he would do very well here and we certainly need him.

Rumors online have Semin

Rumors online have Semin wanting AAV $5.5m over 3 years.

Canes offering (rumored) 1 year $6.5m

I'd go 2 years $11m, maybe $6m

either 1 or 2

I agree with either the 1 or 2-year offer scenarios.  Not very comfortable with 3 years.

If we get him, an added bonus would be Semin hurting the Capitals 6X/year.

SEMIN

I say sign him 2-3 yrs ,IF things don't work out trade him ,but JR is out of options at wing that can score ,Imo JR should have went after the 2nd tier player's like Parenteau ,and had things wrapped up ,as far as Doan 4yrs for a 36 yr old is too long especially for $7m per yr.

$7 million for one year?

$7 million for one year? Sure, give him a try -- the roster still needs help. $7 million for 5 years? I don't think so.

JR has wiggle room until it's time to re-do Skinner's contract. That'll be when the crunch hits.

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A Raleigh native, Chip has worked at the N&O since 1979 and is the Canes beat writer. He can be reached at chip.alexander@newsobserver.com. You can follow him on Twitter at @ice_chip.
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