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(updated: 9:30 p.m, corrected: 10:52 p.m..)

By J. Andrew Curliss and Robbi Pickeral

In the wake of a court ruling that required UNC-Chapel Hill to release public records involving the school’s football program, university officials faced questions Thursday not about sports agents or academic misconduct, but about hundreds of parking tickets racked up by a handful of Tar Heels football players over a 3 ½ year span.

A review of the records released Thursday shows that fewer than 12 football players tallied 395 parking violations from March 2007 through August 2010, when The News & Observer and Charlotte Observer first sought the documents as it began reporting on the high-profile NCAA probe then under way.

The university refused that and other requests, and it led to a lawsuit by a consortium of media outlets.

The main thrust of the lawsuit contends that the university should release documents about the NCAA investigation; but a part of it was a request for the parking tickets incurred by some of the players who were part of the agent probe.

The university has said that it has determined nothing improper related to ownership of the vehicles that players were driving – a problem that has cropped up at some schools nationwide.

The documents released Thursday state that the tickets led to fines totaling $13,125; the university said all but 30 of those are paid, but it did not specify the dollar amount still owed for those outstanding tickets.

Separately, a university Department of Public Safety database indicates that unpaid fines total $2,035 for citations issued to a range of vehicles that the university linked to the football players. That amount includes violations that occurred since last August.

Chancellor Holden Thorp was not available for comment; UNC athletic director Dick Baddour was traveling and not available for comment.

The university has not released what it calls an “internal investigation” conducted about the parking tickets.

In the court fight, the university had argued that even releasing a vehicle tag or make of a car would allow the media to identify the player who received a ticket. The university argued that a citation was part of each student’s “educational” record.

The judge ruled otherwise, and was upheld by the Court of Appeals upheld it.

UNC leaders did not match names of any players who received the tickets, saying the citations were issued to a vehicle – not a person.

Still, according to records and interviews, the parking scofflaws included:

Greg Little, a former wide receiver who was one of two players ruled permanently ineligible last season for violations of NCAA agent benefits, preferential treatment and ethical conduct rules, appears to have been responsible for 93 tickets and still owes $125.

Ryan Houston, a tailback who redshirted last season, has 74 tickets. He apparently owes $740.

Marvin Austin, a defensive tackle who was dismissed from the team last season, has 68 tickets.

Linebacker Bruce Carter had 10 tickets and owes $700.

Students, and student athletes must pay their tickets, or arrange a payment plan, in order to register for classes; UNC said tickets were not forgiven for football players.

“They were treated like every other student,” the school said in a prepared document.

Because of the nature of the media’s request, it is not known how many tickets the full football team received. UNC officials said that parking officials issued 47,092 tickets in the most recent fiscal year.

The 11 players records requested by in Aug. 2010 were: Little, Carter, Charles Brown, Kendric Burney, Houston, Dwight Jones, Donte Paige-Moss, Robert Quinn, Kevin Reddick, Johnny White and Deunta Williams. Austin’s records were subsequently sought.

Williams said the numbers and fines were not surprising. He said parking permits were difficult to come by and that some players were indifferent to the parking rules.

“You have to understand, for some players, they thought they’re going to the NFL and they didn’t care about the parking tickets,” said Williams.

Records indicate he had 17 tickets. He says he’s paid them off.

The documents indicate a range of violations. By far, the most common was issued for not having a valid parking permit.

Team members also were cited citing for parking in spaces across campus that are reserved for others. They blocked fire lanes, travel lanes and Dumpsters.

Many of the violations took place near the stadium.

But records show Little and Austin also were cited a combined four times for parking in handicapped spaces.

Both also had their cars towed or booted.

Neither could be reached for comment. Both were drafted into the NFL this spring.

It appears that Houston once was ticketed for parking a black Land Rover in the wrong place on Aug. 30, 2008, near the football stadium in a temporary athletics spot. The team was playing McNeese State at the time.

The ticket-writer’s comment on the citation says only, “UNC FOOTBALL GAME.”

J.P. Giglio and David Raynor contributed to this story.
 

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Word is....

some local media may have to attend UNC football games next year.. by buying a ticket. They may not get press passes. hahahaha! Two way streets, folks. I guess that will leave more writers to cover NCSU and Dook's games. Of course, probably none of this will pass, but wouldn't it be funny? Take us to court and expect a press pass? Oh, the possibilities.

..that would be fine...then

..that would be fine...then we wouldn't have to read the fluff pieces on the Tarheels that pass as sports stories..and are intended as recruiting tools....so yes...let's end local coverage of the Tarheels...

I am sure you are just joking

Just what UNC would need, another public relations nightmare.

I'm not quite certain..

It will come to pass. UNC just doesn't operate that way. Although, some reporters better not hang around after the game... Just kidding there, too. The fact is it really doesn't matter what the N&O, TV station, radio program, etc.. writes or reports. It will all come down to what the NCAA says. We all know that can't be predicted. So, the best bet is to just sit back and wait for football season. That's the reason for the season anyway.

I'll defend the media

For the most part, people have been reporting factual information and done a good job of covering this stuff.  There are some, such as Heather Dinich from ESPN, who make stupid statements without backing them up, but writers have for the most part done a good job covering everything.

That said, I wish some of them wouldn't do such a good job...

Less than two and a half months til the season kicks off!

Too many comments to read

But I'm going to go ahead and assume people from both extremes are claiming complete innocence or complete guilt (depending on which side it's coming from).

As far as we know, there is still no hard proof on Butch.  There are details that look bad for Butch and can lead to speculation, but there's no hard evidence that suggests anyone outside of the NCAA knows anything that would be horribly incriminating.  Still going to have to wait this one out...

Cleveland Cell Phone

That might do be the end of him when/if his personal phone records are released.  He was basically conducting state business on a personal phone so that they couldn't get to the records.  Once we see what is on that, then we will know for sure.

That info was released....

per a post from a WRAL employee on twitter... and there was nothing there. Very few calls, and some months with no activity at all. Unless I misinterpreted the post or the information provided was wrong... there's nothing there #toobad

NCAA

The NCAA has likely had that info for several months, so I wouldn't exactly call that a new development in the investigation.

A Cleveland cell phone ?!?!

What do you do ? Play on the Internet 24/7 looking in every hole and turning up every frigging rock you see !!?? Dude, get a life ! For once, I'd like to see more than 5% of the wuffies worry about their team more than UNC's

Wow

It was reported by the N&O today.  You really are the dumbest poster on here. 

Don't you have to ...

read the N and O (today, mind you) in order to know about a Cleveland cell phone ?

And it still doesn't displace the idea that you and your brothers scour (msp?) the ends of the earth 24/7 looking for the latest piece of info (founded or unfounded) concerning UNC.

You are right

Not only that, but the article only gave the area code, it did not mention Cleveland at all. So dig as he may I guess, it is all for entertainment no less, in the press.

hey

I knew where the 216 area code was, and I didn't even have to look it up!

Yea

I have since read the article. It doesn't mean much to me. I have two phones; one my personal and the other my work. I use them both at my discretion and have gone great lengths preferring one over the other. Big deal.

The real treat is not the article, but the comment section. It reminded me of the movie Shrek where all the towns folk went marching out to Shrek's hut with pitch forks, torches and various other weapons. They didn't care what the truth was as long as they thought their version was correct.

Like in the movie, UNC will get the last laugh for the most part. Meaning we'll be satisfied and the ABC'ers will not be.

"They can't get no"

Satisfaction, they never will be, and we are (as a general rule). It is what drives them up the wall.

classic rock thread

You and UNC1998 have me flashing back to the '70's.

Yep

Carry one my wayward son...

I heard the only number...

ever dialed from the phone was 867-5309

Jenny, jenny

Who can I turn to ?

Here ye, here ye

I'm a nobody in this game just like many of you are nobody's. With that being said, I just ran into someone who is a player in this game. He gave me some pretty good insight into this fiasco.

This ticket/car situation is OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS INVESTIGATION. The NCAA IS NOT looking into this. Just the media.

The John Blake situation has pretty much turned up nothing and the NCAA has not been able to get anything to stick to JB. He told me to take his word on it. I said OK.

The Hawkins situation, he says, is another story and this is where UNC will take a small lump. He Would not go into particulars.

Not alot about cheating either.

Ultimately
U

So, now that the local media

So, now that the local media has exposed that there were improper phone calls between Blake, Wichard, and MA's high school coach, do you still believe that the NCAA isn't going to be concerned with this stuff?  I just have a hard time believing that.

Also, I was just curious...you said that your source was "a player in the game".  Can you specify what kind of player he is?  Like, is he a lawyer?  Does he work for UNC?  NCAA?  Serious question.  I'm interested to know where that info was coming from.  Thanks gatr.

Sorry

I can't speculate on that.

Are these phone calls from Blake->Whichard->MA a big deal ? Seriously ? This was a camp. Was it not ? I'm not so sure this would be deemed a major infraction. Also, these actions took place last summer. Correct ? He never played another game and was booted from the team. That plays into the favor of UNC.

We've said it before and it's gonna be UNC's ace in the hole and ABC fans equivalent to "getting rivered" ... The silver lining in this whole ordeal is it was caught over the summer.

No

Before you start claiming I'm from Jersey =)....

1)  Yes, it is a big deal.  Supposedly, MA's high school coach (Amis) payed for MA's travel expenses, and was reimbursed by Wichard (according to Amis himself).

2)  No, that is incorrect.  This stuff happened in March, before the 2009 season.  MA played an entire season after this.  

I'm not so sure that "ace in the hole" is what you think it is.

Maybe it is. Maybe it is not

The rule book is really big, but would it not be kosher for MA's HS coach to pay for his training ?

What Whichard does for MA's HS coach after that is not on MA unless they can prove that, indeed, was the plan.

It is this word "proof" that most of you wuffies can't get your arms around.

hmmm, tsk tsk

sounds like you drank Greg Barnes Delusional Kool-Aid.  Marvin was kicked off the team to put him beyond the reach of the NCAA, look it up.  Marvin was still "practicing" with the team even after the LSU game per blind-as-a-bat Butch Davis, and how they were still trying to get him back on the team.  They let him attend Pro-Day.

I'm sure us NCSU fans would be just delusional and optimistic as you guys, but right now, we don't have to worry about that.

So what

Practicing and attending pro day !? Wow !! Izzy, you really brought the heat.

FTR, I don't read IC, so I only hear about Greg Barnes through you guys here at ACCNow. Sry to disappoint.

the heat...

its just to show that they've been lying the whole time and/or that UNC fans and defenders (like yourself) have this moving target of accountability and "truth".

Just go back to when this all started, something that UNC fans should do, first, it was stated definitively by UNC fans that Blake NEVER worked for Wichard.  Then when the brochures were produced, they were "doctored".  Then the website of pro-tec management or whatever it was was put thru the old internet archives and found that Blake was working there right up to the day he was hired by Butch (give or take a month).

Then Wichard denied having any dealings with Blake once he left Pro-tec.  Then we find that Marvin and others were training in pro-tec facilities.  Then we find that Wichard had been giving Blake tens-of-thousands of dollars (at least what we know about).  Now we see that not only was Blake in contact with Wichard, Austin, Balmer et al, but that there were many calls being made back and forth between Butch on his private phone.  We all know that it isn't a smoking gun that Butch was in on it, but boy, it sure does look bad.

The point is that, every time there's a finding, there's a 'sweep it under the rug' mentality or poo-poo'ing it and it just turns out to be worse.

Now the parking tickets and the cars, what do we hear: "no big deal, i used to get tickets all the time too, and football players are definitely going to get tickets because they have to be at Kenan and there's no parking yada yada yada..."  What did UNC say officially, "All cars were registered properly...."  Guess what, they weren't, another lie.  Believe what you want to, i don't care, but don't act like this stuff isn't any big deal.

Continued

Ultimately, bc of when this broke (last summer), there will not be a huge punishment. Players were suspended or kicked off the team this past year. Wins will be voided and this person is hearing a probation of twenty four months and two scholly's a year.

Laugh at this, don't do anything with it or whatever. Thought y'all (UNC and state fans) would at least like to know it regardless.

QUESTION

Let's assume what your source says is true. Two years probation and at least 4 scholarships lost (not sure how many years the lost scholarships apply to). That seems light to me, but it is plausible if there is insufficient evidence to prove many of the allegations. My question is: Should the result cost Butch his job?

I have heard the arguments that there is no evidence that Butch knew and you can't keep tabs on over 90 players 24/7. But I can pretty much guarantee that if you or me managed a group of people whose actions resulted in penalties equivalent in severity to our employers, we would be on the street pursuing "other opportunities". 

There is a difference between being "innocent" and "not guilty". I suspect that Butch isn't innocent in this case, even if he is found to be not guilty. At the minimum, he is responsible for a program that has done serious damage to UNC's reputation and standing in the academic community. The only reason I can think of for keeping him is that he generates so much revenue that it is worth UNC's while financially to take the temporary hit to its image and move on. If that's the case, it does not speak well for the integrity of the institution.

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, hope you have a happy and relaxing Fathers Day with your family. We'll be dodging raindrops up here for our picnic, but that won't dampen the spirits one bit. Have a good one.    

My thoughts

I hope what he says is true, but it seems kinda light to me as well (punishment).

As far as you and I go and whether we would be fired ... Depends on how high up the chain we were and how much bidness we brought to the table. I'm sure whatever hypothetical you can think of, I would agree with your assessment (pertaining to out future with said company).

Enjoy your weekend as well. Does Father's Day lose it's luster or is it just a progression thing in seeing what exacty became of your kids ? I assume the latter.

bringing in the business

As we both know, rainmakers can and do get away with murder in some organizations. It's not necessarily right, but it is more common than not. The problem is that if the transgressions become too disruptive in the organization, people start to question whether the positives are worth the trouble. This is what happened with Jim Tressel and I see similarities in Butch Davis' situation.

Davis clearly has elevated UNC football to a new level and apparently raised a ton of money for the university. But he has also presided over what is, at best, a public relations nightmare and, at worst, a program which will be severely penalized by the NCAA. The one thing Butch hasn't done (as far as we know) is falsify a compliance document. When all is said and done, there may be insufficient evidence that directly ties Butch to any violation of the rules. If that ends up being the case, it may be very difficult for UNC's adiministration to terminate Butch and risk disrupting the flow of dollars into UNC's coffers.

That said, it still amazes me that Butch has not yet fallen on his sword. I am not sure what this so-called "Carolina Way" is, but I assume it is a personification of integrity and "doing the right thing" in all aspects of the university. It that is so and if UNC is keeping Butch in place to keep the revenue dollars flowing into the athletic department at the expense of UNC's image, then the Carolina Way is a myth.

I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with growing an athletic program by generating revenue from passionate fans. I am suggesting that publicizing integrity and moral superiority while turning a blind eye to rampant disregard and violation of established rules and policies is not the way to "walk the talk". I would also suggest that Butch has to go if UNC wants to maintain the image of an organization that values integrity. Otherwise, the school's leadership may as well move to Washington D.C., where they will find comfort in being surrounded by people who say one thing and do another.

Falsify a compliance document ?

Did I miss this ? Or is this a gray area where some think he falsified a compliance document ? Do tell.

NOt butch

I was referring to Jim Tressel signing a document certifying that he was not aware of any violations when he clearly was. I see many similarities in the way Tressel and Davis have handled their programs, especially their convenient lack of awareness of the activities their players were engaged in. The difference (and this is huge) is that Tressel was made aware of a violation and lied about his knowledge of it. Once I heard that, there was no doubt in my mind he had to go.

So far, there is no evidence that Butch was aware of any specific violation and lied about it, so, theoretically and perhaps legally, he did nothing wrong. The thing I am having a hard time understanding is how he couldn't have known something, given the number of players involved and the number of violations already confirmed. A lot went on under his not-so-watchful eye. I just don't think that the cloud hovering over UNC's football program goes away until Butch resigns.   

Respectfully disagree

A lot obviously happened right under Butch's nose and it's hard to believe that he didn't know about any of it.  The fact of the matter is that we have no hard proof that he was aware of a lot of what was going on.  As you stated in a previous post, in a normal, real world job, there are enough questionable things surrounding his innocence that he would lose his position.  However, this is an exception.  More money is involved and it's up to the NCAA to decide how innocent or guilty he is.  The NCAA could care less about the fact that Carolina's players were parking illegally, or that they may not have always been treated like a normal student.  The NCAA does, however, care about whether or not there is proof that their rules were broken.  The NCAA does care about whether or not someone has lied.  Despite members of the media digging as hard as they can for phone records or financial records that blatantly incriminate Butch, we have no hard proof that he was really involved.

I'm not saying that Butch was oblivious.  He probably wasn't.  At the same time, I am saying that it comes down to "is there proof that he knew" and "did he lie".  Right now, there is not enough evidence made known to the public to prove that Butch had a role significant enough to prove him guilty of major violations, and there is no evidence that he has lied.

Somewhat similar to our legal system.  I'm assuming you know how I feel about that kind of stuff.  Fortunately, this is an example when it works in favor of a Tar Heel fan.

fair enough

I don't ever propose throwing anyone under the bus before all the facts are in. It may very well turn out that there is no proof that Butch was aware of any wrongdoing. My only point is that maybe the head coach should be held to a higher standard than that.

Individually, things like Blake's involvement, the tutor in the home, the improper beneifts, the cars at Kenan, can be explained away. Taken together, they just don't pass my smell test.

You are correct

But if assumptions led to dismissal, the opposition of every school would dig up so much dirt that the majority of programs would suddenly find their head coaches unemployed.  When it comes to coaching in the collegiate ranks, keeping your job after an investigation is all about covering your tracks.  Tressel and Pearl failed to do this.  If Butch is actually guilty and it goes unproven, that doesn't excuse what he did.  At the same time, the dozens of cheating coaches in both college football and basketball are not excused simply because they weren't caught.

And for the fans (not directed at you, JPD) of self-proclaimed "clean programs," if the likes of UNC football and Tennessee basketball are some of the only programs where shady things occur, I'd like to hear you explain Larry Shyatt's move to Wyoming.

one thing's for sure

It's a tough call, especially if there isn't a specific act (like Tressel signing a document he knew was false) to hang your hat on. Many cases are not that black and white.

Your comment about "clean programs" is spot on as well. You can never guarantee there won't be a mistake or violation. But you can be as vigilant as possible, have clear policies in place, and take appropriate action when problems arise. If you do, maybe you can get out in front of a problem before they spiral out of control and multiply.

Very true

Covering up one violation while preventing others is different than covering up violation after violation.  Ultimately you have to take action or else you're setting your program up for disaster.

Proof

I brought this up to Max or izzy wizzy somewhere in this blog and I got no response back.

fathers day

It never gets old. It's different as time goes on, but it's just a different good.

gatr

Thanks for passing that along gatr.  I don't really believe that information, simply because for a year I've heard "people in the know" say they were 100% sure about anything from no penalties to the death penalty lol.  Just too much conflicting info from different "sources" for us to really know.

Personally, I don't see how Blake is going to be cleared...I mean, they didn't force him to resign for no reason.  I guess only time will tell.  Hopefully we will all know something in the next couple months.

Butch Pool

Has anybody started the pool yet to predict the date that Butch will resign or be fired?

Early on, I felt Butch's departure was inevitable. Now we have the parking tickets and the revelation that Blake talked to a couple of players while they were training in California, probably on an agent's dime. And Blake didn't know. And Butch didn't know. Right.

For those who think the parking tickets are no big deal, they are. Some have argued that parking violations are pervasive throughout the student body. So what? Scholarship athletes are a privileged class subject to relentless public scrutiny. They have to exercise more care than the typical student. That may not be fair, but the reality is that an athlete's transgressions, large or small, will be publicized if and when they become known.

The bigger impact of the focus on parking violations will be if it leads to information that players were given access to cars free or at a deep discount. Whether it does or not, this case is unfolding like Chinese water torture, drip after drip, with each new revelation leading to another revelation. Eventually, something or someone will snap and that will be the end of Butch's tenure at UNC.

Pick a date

How about January, 2017? Or to make it really interesting, longer than TOB will last at NCSU. (You know I can't pass up an opportunity to bring him into the fray.)

Lol.  You never disappoint

Lol.  You never disappoint Surfer.

 

Forgot to add my prediction/date...

since you're going all the way to 2017, I'll do the opposite and say August 2011.

This August?

I am thinking that that is only wishful thinking. Gosh, I would not be surprised that UNC does not even get the NOA by August. Can we say signing day issue, yet again?

Once again, I agree with

Once again, I agree with everything in your post.  Good points, and well said.

Personally, I still think Butch will be gone once the dust clears.  However, I do at least understand the argument that he will survive all this (stadium expansion, big boosters, etc.)...I'm just not buying in to it.

What may be interesting...

is that in 2010 alone UNC took in $1,600,000 in parking/traffic fines. If you divide the 3 year average on the $13,000 that's about 0.2% of the total. Also, there are about 28,000 students at UNC.. so on average each student paid $57 in parking fines. I was not at UNC in 2010 as a student, but when I was there I actually never got a parking fine. I was also in excellent shape from walking up the hill in Chapel Hill every"freakin"day. I can only imagine someone there in 2010 was just like me. I can not excuse the tickets accrued by UNC's players. I certainly can not excuse the 68 received by the 12th player that wasn't requested in the media law suit. What I can understand is that some of them are not yet paid. UNC does allow for a "payment schedule" on parking fines. Also, some may be in appeal and not yet paid. Another point is that none of this is new to the NCAA. None of this will have any addtional impact on whatever penalties UNC receives. Thus, while it may be interesting, enthralling, or whatever you prefer... it is not relevant to the present activities in the investigation.

And What's the 'Aha"? - Amateur Journalism

Okay  nice find that there are athletes that were getting tickets with impunity on UNC's campus - this is hardly unusual as Chapel Hill is so cramped and they love their revenue from ticketing. The average person at UNC probably has several parking tickets. I guess the only difference is you expect people to pay them off immediately and these guys knew they were going to the NFL so they delayed paying them. So...

UNC football player parking tickets

Whether the mess at Ohio State or UNC, it is clear that football players think they are a privileged class, similar to the Czars appointed by Obama and the federal employee unions.

UNC's management needs to pay these fines via payroll deduction, since their salaries are artificially inflated with the revenue these players produce as migrant workers in football servitude. Pay-to-play needs to become above the table, not below where the entire nation is witnessing corruption in the form of cash, perks, jewelry, etc...but hey, all politicians, including our governor, are corrupt. Ask the Highway Patrol. It is the new normal!

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Robbi Pickeral has covered ACC sports for The News & Observer since 2003. She can be reached at robbi.pickeral@newsobserver.com.

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