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Tommy Bowden is in trouble at Clemson. Thursday’s loss at Wake Forest left no doubt about that. The fact that Bowden actually is still a good coach is no longer
relevant.
He’ll land on his feet, assuming he still has an inner compass that will move him back to the offensive systems that made him such a hot target at Tulane in the mid 1990s.
But at this rate, the Tigers will be looking for a new football coach at season’s end. Here are 10 guys to keep an eye on:
1. Jim Leavitt, South Florida: Good with the spread option and a respectable staff organizer, he’s stayed true to the Bulls during the past two or three seasons. But with QB Matt Grothe likely to enter the April NFL draft, the timing (and money) could be right for Leavitt to make a move.
2. Jim Grobe, Wake Forest: The gloves have been dropped in the ACC, and Grobe will be seen as fair game by anyone, including Virginia in addition to the Tigers. But given Grobe’s success at Wake, it’d take a ton of money and even more national championship promise to lure him away. Clemson has plenty of money, but it’s no longer a national championship coaching destination.
3. Bobby Johnson, Vanderbilt: He’s a Clemson man and spent much of his life living in the upstate area. Whether it’s Clemson or somewhere else, Johnson and his staff will get offers to move on at season’s end.
4. Skip Holtz, ECU: No doubt, he’d prefer Notre Dame or maybe even South Carolina or Arkansas under the right circumstances. But what’s done in Greenville is nothing if not a resume builder.
5. Tommy Tuberville, Auburn: He’s almost left before, but his Tiger offense this season is a mirror image of Tommy the Clemson Tiger.
6. Mike Leach, Texas Tech: Sooner or later, somebody will lure Leach out of Lubbock. It’s inevitable.
7. Mack Brown, Texas: This is the longest of long shots, but Mack still loves the North Carolina mountains. He’s got a summer house near Boone. It’s just something to think about as we move along.
8. Chris Petersen, Boise State: He can spread it out, air it out and run it successfully to the weak side.
9. Bill Cowher, CBS: Laugh to your heart’s delight, but Coach Jawbone will get at least a phone call from any school in the general area that’s looking for a coach.
10. Steve Logan, Boston College offensive coordinator: Pound-for-pound, he’s still one of the very best offensive coaches in the business.
11. The field: Which includes David Cutcliffe of Duke, Houston Nutt of Ole Miss, Gary Pinkel of Missouri, Phil Fulmer of Tennessee and Bud Foster of Virginia Tech.
Caulton Tudor has worked for The News & Observer or The Raleigh Times for more than 30 years.
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Good with the spread option
Sun, 11/08/2009 - 03:17 — hollisbxk271Good with the spread option and a respectable staff organizer, he’s stayed true to the Bulls during the past two or three seasons. But with QB Matt Grothe likely to enter the April NFL draft, the timing (and money) could be right for Leavitt to make a move.
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Wed, 10/22/2008 - 07:23 — Anonymous (not verified)Ellis Johnson..D coordinator at South Carolina..from south carolina..former head coach at the citadel...if you can win at the citadel, you can win anywhere....one of the best ranked defenses in the nation this year.....i also heard talk of kevin higgins...citadel head coach/former lions QB coach and head coach of a patriot league school
what about ellis
Wed, 10/22/2008 - 07:20 — Anonymous (not verified)what about ellis johnson..the D coordinator at South carolina. South Carolina is his home state..so it wouldn't be much of a relocation from columbia. It's not like he has allegiance to USC yet, he's only been there this year..which by the way he has one of the top Defenses in the nation and does have head coaching experience at the Citadel..and had a fairly decent tenure there..and face it, if you can win at the Citadel, you can win anywhere. I heard Kevin Higgins was an option..Citadel's head coach now who came from the Detroit Lions and before that some school in the patriot league.
NoOne knows what will happen!
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 21:04 — JoeSportsNCAA (not verified)U all think u know!! U guys don't have a clue what any of these coaches are thinking about.
Money or Prestige?
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 15:27 — Anonymous (not verified)HAHAHAHA... first of all, no offense, but this is the WORST short list I've EVER seen. My fiance who knows NOTHING about football has more or less put a better one together... sorry.
As for the 'money or prestige' argument... I don't know what planet you are living on but I can ASSURE you that Clemson has plenty of money to pay whoever they want and they certainly have the prestige.
There is no other small town in America that puts out support like Clemson does... SHOW ME ONE, I DARE YOU.
Try this on for size... with an enrollment of about 14,000 students Clemson brought the LARGEST crowd EVER to College Gameday. The town has a population of roughly 15,000 w/o students. Come on, if you can't say that's amazing you need to bolt yourself to some railroad tracks.
Have you heard of Howard's Rock or The Hill? How about the 126 decibel game in 2005? How about the Kirk Herbstreit comments on gameday that said its "the greatest tradition in college football"!!!!!!!!
Prestige??? huh.... I'm done ranting.
Leavitt
Tue, 10/14/2008 - 19:50 — Dave (not verified)First off, Grothe will NOT be entering the draft. He's 6'0" and has accuracy issues. I'm his biggest fan, but he has no NFL future- Brees and Flutie were much more accurate on the college level. Second, Leavitt has no ties to Clemson, and I expect that he would require Rich-Rod or Saban type money to lure to any school other than Florida State (for the record, he went to Mizzou and has coached at Iowa and K-State, but he is from St. Pete). Clemson really needs a superior game day coach- Jim Grobe is that man. Clemson fans may scoff at him, but Wake has done something CU hasn't even sniffed- win the ACC. Imagine what Grobe could do with the talent at Clemson (obviously much higher level than at Wake). If Grobe is unavailable, then Skip Holtz may be the guy.
Larry Coker
Mon, 10/13/2008 - 19:18 — Anonymous (not verified)Larry Coker is out of a job. Why wasn't his name mentioned?
Earth to Tudor... Jim
Mon, 10/13/2008 - 19:16 — GarySJ (not verified)Earth to Tudor... Jim Leavitt was offered the Alabama job in 2003, and chose to stay at USF.
You don't turn down Alabama and then leave for Clemson.
Especially when the program you built from nothing is currently better than Clemson.
P.S. The list of 6-foot-0 quarterbacks who've declared early for the NFL Draft is a short one.
Surprised by the timing, but not the decision.
Mon, 10/13/2008 - 12:33 — Belvedere (not verified)I think Bowden lost his team. With him gone now, I believe you'll see a stronger, crisper effort for the rest of the season. A "circle-the-wagons" mentality, if you will.
That being said, Clemson needs someone who can bring about a sense of toughness in the program. For all the talent they have, the Tigers are viewed as a soft bunch, and they have been labeled that for most of the Bowden era. As the player from Maryland said after the game a few weeks back, "We knew if we punched them in the mouth, we'd win the game."
Clemson will be attractive to many coaching candidates. There is a strong talent base in place for the incoming coach. Also, the facilities and fan base are more akin to SEC schools. I'm not saying that some big-name, all-world coach (Cowher, etc.) will head to the Upstate, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.
Finally, in his preseason synopsis, Giglio said that Clemson would have to "beat themselves, I mean literally throw games" to not win the ACC. You think this is what he had in mind?
You are all overlooking the best choice
Mon, 10/13/2008 - 09:00 — 4rmrtigger (not verified)I can't believe that nobody is mentioning Oliver Purnell as the obvious choice. He isn't busy during the football season, and he has clearly turned around a once struggling CU basketball program. Probably wouldn't get the nod because we are all just racist southerners. Maybe Dean Smith could save us.... Wait just a tick..BOBBY Bowden is done at FSU...I wonder if I could get Obama to come to Cow College after he loses in Nov.?
I will be sad, angry and incredulously laughing my butt off if all this pontificating results in an A.D. and a president, both of whom are fans of Bowden, decide to give him one more crack at it. "Show them what they've won! Third place in the Atlantic division forever!" Should they fire him? In my opinion yes. They have spent millions on facilities improvement, raised ticket and parking prices, fired countless offensive, defensive and assistant coaches, and we are now even benching a QB (Harper) who was recently the "fair haired boy," and who has been running for his life. Not many more excuses left TB.
Who gets the nod? Does it really matter? Shouldn't be too hard to win with talent and facilities and money flowing like honey, which it will again when Tommy Boy is histoire. We should be so lucky to get a Grobe. Anyone who can do what he has done with a puny 35,000 capacity stadium and a bunch of snobs who historically have touted anything BUT football, and have rigorous academic standards clearly has a fantastic coaching acumen. Butch Davis? A football wet dream. Have you caught Baby Blue's act this year? Ain't gonna happen. Mack Brown? Might as well say Bobby Brown. BJ at Vandy? Maybe. T squared at Auburn? Who knows. It just doesn't matter. They all are talented, they all would be choices that would give Clemson fans and potentially the players something that the least talented Bowden can't: Inspiration.
WOW
Sun, 10/12/2008 - 21:15 — FULMER HATER (not verified)WOW, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW CLEMSON HAS A FOOTBALL TEAM. ARE Y'ALL SURE ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK JUNIOR COLLEGES HAVE DIV-I FOOTBALL PROGRAMS.
Grothe
Sun, 10/12/2008 - 17:39 — Anonymous (not verified)Um, he's a 5-foot-10 quarterback. I don't think he's leaving early for the NFL.
Wow. Once again proof...
Sun, 10/12/2008 - 10:02 — Anonymous (not verified)of why you're such an idiot. Hmm... there are so many holes in this Triangle-centric gasp of a column that it's hard to know where to begin... First, let me say that you provide an excellent example of why you appear to do nothing more than skim through the highlights of Triangle specific topics while formulating your columns & articles. That's a pitifully weak approach towards your career responsibilities, but one you seem to have enjoyed for decades now... Let's start with the low-hanging fruit... Jim Grobe moves to Clempsun... Jim Grobe is ALREADY an ACC coach, at a school with a much higher academic standard than Clempsun - which actually matters to people intelligent enough to move beyond the globe of sports- so WHY would he take a lateral transfer, at best, if not a slight downgrade in stature, to go to Clempsun? Bobby Johnson at Vanderbilt... Why would he be willing, especially at this time when he's made Vandy, for goodness' sake, a contender, to actually take a step DOWN from a mid-level SEC player to a mid-level ACC player? What? Because Clempsun cheats & sells their soul for football success? THAT is supposed to be what sells Bobby Johnson on adandoning his ideals & morals? Tommy Tuberville - Auburn... How stupid are you, Caulton? You are nothing if not an idiot with ZERO brain transmissions if you think that Tuberville will abandon a Top 4-5 SEC school for a perennially under-performing ACC school with funding problems. I can't even begin to discuss why this is so stupid of an idea that you should be censored as a 'journalist' - notice the quotes, for irony - when you portray this as anything but a moron's concept of reality... Yeah, Tuberville will take a paycut to go from the most competitive conference in college football history to be a mid-level coach at a school that is GUARANTEED to underperform to their fan base's expectations, all the while making about a HALF MILLION DOLLARS LESS than if he'd stayed at the superior school. Mack Brown - Texas... One of the coaches at a perennial Top Ten school for as long as the history of the college football polls have been given. A coach at a school that worships football so much that it is a part of the economic culture in the state - which happens to be about four times as big as SC, if not more - but is also so, SOOO much more ingrained to the culture than even in SC. A coach who has won a national championship at this superior school. A coach who realized how the ACC was biased, and chose to leave. A coach at a school that has a history of being in the Top Ten annually for as long as the history of college football has been played. Yeah, that guy is going to want to come to Clempsun, because he likes the leaves changing in mid-October in the Appalachian mountains. Hey, maybe Bill Gates will relocate Microsoft to Greenville, SC while he's at it, right? I won't even bother with the rest of the foundation for Tudor's stupidity. If he had even obsessed wrongly over how Jerry Moore might come to Clempsun, I'd have forgiven him. Instead, he skipped along a fairy trail that had no connection to reality in even its' most basic sense... I could go on shoving Caulton's idiotic ramblings back down his throat showing how stupidly moronic this post was, but then, his sycophants still wouldn't get it, and HE still wouldn't get it. Unless he realizes that he's just filling column space until he takes a forced retirement from the news conglomerate which owns the N&Blow. Yeah, CT, go on bloviating, you provide pathetic amusement to us.. What... An... Idiot... CT is... Some things change with the seasons or the years. One thing that never does... is Caulton Tudor's lack of perspective...
This post from a wonderfull
Thu, 10/16/2008 - 11:12 — Anonymous (not verified)This post from a wonderfull South Carolina Coot that has hard feelings because Clemson owns them.....
Bobby Johnson
Tue, 10/14/2008 - 12:59 — Anonymous (not verified)Bobby Johnson went to school at Clemson. Maybe that is why he would consider leaving Vandy. And if Vandy is a mid-level SEC school, who is on the bottom level? Is that where the Sun Belt is that the SEC likes to schedule so often?
Do you think it is cute to
Sun, 10/12/2008 - 15:54 — ncsumatmanDo you think it is cute to repeat Clempsun so many times, or do you feel you are being witty?
Tommy Tuberville is probably going to be fired at Auburn, so before
spewing venom, perhaps you could trade in your $5 words for a clue.
The fact you consider the CU job a lateral move for Grobe or Johnson
causes one to laugh hysterically. Vanderbilt will win 6 games this
year, they will go to a bowl, and it will be the most successful
sesason in over a decade. WFU is a #15-25 ranked team at best. Things
will not get better, FSU and Miami will not stay down forever. What
WFU is doing right now is their ceiling, the opportunity at Clemson
exceeds that.
Paul Johnson
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 23:45 — WALLACE (not verified)I know he's new @ GT, but HE IS the right guy, so it would be a good idea to try. Butch Davis too. Clemson is an SEC-type school (as far as tradition and fans go) playing in the ACC. GT and UNC are nowhere near as attractive as Clemson.
Worth a try.
Jim Grobe is not going to
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:02 — Wake fan (not verified)Jim Grobe is not going to leave for another ACC school. The situation at BC was an unusual one as the fans up there were ready to run TOB out on a rail.
Grobe would never leave for Clemson and have to play Wake every year, and the word on the street is that he wasn't too happy not being considered for the UVa job the last time around.
Grobe is clearing about $1.5 mil at Wake per year. Virginia ain't going to offer any more than Ark did last year.
This article is hilarious!
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 09:30 — Anonymous (not verified)This article is hilarious! Obviously no research was really done for it because Matt Grothe is not leaving for the draft and every year we hear that some school is trying to pry Leavitt away from USF. It seems like you took a bagful of great and upcoming coaches and pulled them out Scrabble-style.
clemson will arise
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 09:18 — Anonymous (not verified)like the phoenix if the admin decides to change and they make the "right choice" the acc will feel the wrath for the next 15 years just like the beat downs you all used to endure. take your shots now you weak and puke supporters, just know that you are just living on borrowed time or are delusional. you guys have small minds that match your stadiums and fan base. unc is getting better and will be back in the mix with davis.
grobe is comfortable a weak, he is getting nice and fat. next year weak slides to the middle of the acc. cutcliffe will get hired away by tennessee in a year or two. the acc will be vt, fsu, unc, miami, gt, and (with the right coach) clemson.
They Won't Top Bowden
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 08:40 — Anonymous (not verified)Clemson Fans and admin. are spoiled and unrealistic. They fired Ken Hatfield after an 8-3 season. They fired Tommy West after a 7-4 season. Media types like Tudor only fuel those unrealistic attitudes. Why do you promote firing Bowden when the season is only half over? Reasonable observers would reserve judgement until the season is over. Jim Grobe, Mack Brown, and Bill Cowher would not take the Clemson job. The others on your list would not constitute an upgrade, so why not keep Bowden?
Ummmm. chief tommy west was
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 17:51 — Anonymous (not verified)Ummmm. chief tommy west was 2-8 when we fired him and then he beat SC to be 3-8...
Tommy West was let go at
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 21:03 — Anonymous (not verified)Tommy West was let go at the end of the '98 season in which Clemson went 3-8.
Perhaps West's first season was 7-4 (I don't remember), in which case technically he was fired after a 7-4 season; but that certainly is not the implication.
You should check your facts before posting.
The decision to let Bowden go could reasonably be withheld until the end of the season, but it is difficult to imagine a successful season at this point. Given the potential of this team, I think that is unacceptable in most fans' minds.
Whoever coaches at Clemson next year will have a ton of talent. Any perspective coaches will realize that all he has to do is coach - no rebuilding, no facilities upgrades and no need to re-energize a fan base. The table is set for success.
new coaches for clemson
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 00:26 — george32if they want proven winners for whom the acc would really represent a ste up in prestige-and money- the coaches at utah, boise state and byu would seem natural candidates. none of them may project the kind of aw shucks folksiness that clemson fans want, especially since so many of them are still angry about hatfield all these years later and still dream of recruiting violations ford.
those who think the clemson stadium experience is so incredible should go to columbus, souith bend, austin, college station, ann arbor, tuscaloosa, knoxville, baton rouge and even athens (among many others) for comparable experiences. the run down the hill is nice, but no neater than the walk through the grove at ole miss.
Chris Peterson the #1 Choice
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 08:45 — Anonymous (not verified)Chris Peterson the #1 Choice he makes only 900,000 yr.
Apparently
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 23:21 — Anonymous (not verified)Tudor is not conscious of the existence of assistants.
Are you kidding?
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 23:13 — Anonymous (not verified)Moving from Vanderbilt or Wake Forest is a lateral move? Obviously you havent been to many stadiums in the past ummmm, decade! Players, coaches, fans and broadcasters know that when you come to death valley, you better be prepared to come to play and come prepared to have alot of crowd noise. Any coach, including the heralded Mack Brown, would love to come to Clemson and coach because they know what kind of talent they could draw to that university. Clemson may be down right now, but I definitely would not count them out to be able to draw a good coach. South Carolina may expect only 6-8 wins a year, but the fans and the university do no expect that from Clemson nor will they stand for it.
28 years have passed since CU bought their MNC
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 16:12 — Stark Reality (not verified)6-8 wins per year? Considering CU has averaged 7.6 per year for 9+ seasons, they seem to "stand for it" pretty well. That's exactly 1.6 more per year than USC over the same stretch against a considerably weaker schedule.
Conduct a fan poll west of the Mississippi and north of the mason-dixon as to the location of CU. By far, you will have more people answer Georgia or North Carolina than they will SC.
Get over yourself. When Clemson football is boiled down you know what you wind up with? A glossy record against USC...that's it. Woopty-dam-doo.
And a dozen plus conf
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 19:41 — Anonymous (not verified)And a dozen plus conf championships, and a national championship, and the best stadium in the conference, yeah just boils down to a little bit.
It's one thing to make these delusional statements that Wake to Clemson is hardly a lateral move, but then to try and counter any Clemson fan's rebuttal by saying they're out of touch, and vehemently defending your buffoonish statement - wow, you are a moron. You can hope and wish for your statements to be true all you want, but your disdain for the program doesn't make them so. Jealousy's a motherf*cker, you weak jealous motherf*cker.
whos next
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 23:11 — Anonymous (not verified)Tommy Tuberville, would be a horrible choice. Unless of course you enjoyed the hatfield era, and have some sick desire to relive that nitemare. Skip Holtz? give me a break why would clemson even consider that name? so he can make a bunch of thugs play ball, clemson cant recruit the same "caliber" of player that ECU recruits.I would rather consider Kevin Higgins from The Citadel than skip holtz at least coach higgins can coach a qb and his Citadel team put up over 400 yards of total offense against Clemson. The other names are questionable at best but please not tommy tubervillle or skip holtz.
Try Will Muschamp.
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 22:35 — Anonymous (not verified)Try Will Muschamp.
Mike Leach
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 22:04 — greg6363 (not verified)If you want Mike Leach, it will cost $2 Million/year minimum.
My Votes
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 21:25 — esteban1949My votes would be for Holtz,Leach or Cowher...but one never knows for sure until the offers are made...how about we finish the season first...
No Butch Davis?
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 18:34 — Anonymous (not verified)No Butch Davis?
I heard Davis' agent on the radio this week
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 23:16 — UNCAlumnusSaying there is no way Davis will leave UNC. He feels he is building a really good program there. Also said Davis was excited about expansion. The agent, Jimmy Sexton, said Arkansas went after Davis really hard last year, but Davis had no interest. He never considered leaving, and will not any time soon. That's good enough for me. Try
www.sports56whbq.com under sportstime on left. Jimmy Sexton 10/07/08 interview towards the very end. Listen, and it should take any doubt out of your mind about Butch Davis.
U R probably right....
Sat, 10/11/2008 - 09:03 — JPDOhiobut I place no credence in what anyone says any more.
NO.
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 20:29 — melvinfurdYou need to grow up.
Not Grobe for this one
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 18:31 — jabattsIf you know anything about Jim Grobe as a person, you'd know he'd never go anywhere that he'd be playing Wake on a regular basis. If he ever went anywhere in the ACC, which he won't, it would make a lot more sense for him to think about UVa - his alma mater, and at least it wouldn't be in Wake's division. But I don't see him ever moving within the ACC.
Skip Holtz MAYBE
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 18:13 — Bonehead (not verified)Don't see why anybody else on your list would want this underachievin' bunch.
This list seems full of big names...
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 17:11 — Anonymous (not verified)Does Clemson really have the money or prestige to draw any of these big names to their program? I think it's more likely that Clemson will try to lure a successful coach from a small school who is looking for a step up, kind of like Tommy leaving Tulane for Clemson. Leaving Wake or Texas Tech for Clemson is barely even a lateral move, definitely not a step up.
Showing your ignorance/bias here...
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 19:06 — Block-C (not verified)Clemson definitely has the money, it has the best stadium/atmosphere in the ACC and among the better nationally, it has great facilities (along with recruiting, the two things Bowden has been good at) and will easily be able to draw coaches. Claiming that leaving Wake would barely be a lateral move is just ignorant.
Please leave these conversations to people who have a clue.
The only one here with bias is you.
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 21:27 — Anonymous (not verified)You obviously think more highly of your team than the rest of the country does. Maybe if coaches were lining up to take the Clemson job then Tommy would have been fired sooner for underachieving. Or maybe some of the higher ups realize that his record is about as good as it is going to get.
One fluke national championship in 1981 does not place Clemson among the most storied programs in America. They might have the money, but they don't have the prestige to make a difference for a coach. Wake Forest, like Clemson, is another school that does not have much clout on the national scene--the average fan would not be able to say where they are, what the mascot is, etc. Wake, though, has at least won the ACC title in recent memory.
Get a clue, dude. Your team
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 20:45 — Anonymous (not verified)Get a clue, dude. Your team and many like it are no longer as relevant as they once were. This is 2008 and the Wake Forest's and Vanderbilt's of the world that were once downtrodden are here to stay. The playing field is very equal now and yes, leaving Wake for a school like Clemson would be a lateral move at best for Jim Grobe as it would for Bobby Johnson. Good luck with your coaching search- Hopefuly you will get someone worthy of your program and the ACC. Just don't bet on your past for your future.
From someone who has a clue.....
RE: Get a clue, dude.
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 22:29 — Anonymous (not verified)Bet you don't know where Bobby Johnson went to school, do you?
Are you kidding about Mack
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 16:20 — Anonymous (not verified)Are you kidding about Mack Brown?
You think he is going to leave a history-laden top five program in the nation that routinely produces the best talent pool?
Bobby Johnson looks like the
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 15:20 — JamesinWillowSpringsBobby Johnson looks like the clear winner.
The damn shame of it all is that the Vanderbilt coaching staff is essentially the staff Dick Sheridan built when he was at State. It's proof that State could've been a power under Sheridan if his mysterious "health issue" hadn't occurred when it did.
Give that staff the current
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 16:22 — Caulton Tuodr (not verified)Give that staff the current recruiting advantages, and you're got a heck of apoint. But Sheridan was the glue. When he stepped down, it was difficult for MOC to keep everyone in place -- Buddy Green, Ted Cain, etc. And one that's easily forgotten is that had it not been for Joe Pate, Philip Rivers and Jerricho Cotchery probably would have wound up at Auburn, maybe even UAB.
I'll not hazard a guess
Fri, 10/10/2008 - 13:10 — UNCAlumnusRight now, I don't think there's one coach that everybody wants.