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The first ACC coach to directly feel the heat of David Cutcliffe’s improvements at Duke will be Virginia’s Al Groh.

By the time Virginia visits Duke on Sept. 27 (both sides are blessed with open dates leading in), Groh will be facing a must-win assignment.  It’s a strange turn of events for the guy who last season was voted league coach of the year after leading his team to a surprising 9-4 and a respectable, yet losing effort against Texas Tech in the Gator Bowl.

But Groh, a 64-year-old UVa alum, has been flirting with danger since the 2005 season. His four-game losing streak against Virginia Tech has become an obvious burden, but the 45-10 loss to Connecticut on Saturday ignited immediate rumblings throughout the Wahoo ranks.

Should Groh wash out at Duke, it’s a lock that he’ll be living in a foxhole for the final eight games. Not since 1999 have the Blue Devils won in the series, and that one (24-17) was in overtime.

Fortunately for Groh, there is a clearly marked escape route, beginning with a win at Duke and backed by three straight wins in Charlottesville against Maryland, East Carolina and North Carolina. A 4-0, maybe 3-1, stand in those games would be enough to win Groh some friends. Anything else would put him so deep in thick soup that even back-to-back wins over Clemson and the Hokies at schedule’s end might not enough.

And don’t under-estimate the importance that non-conference game against ECU on Oct. 11.
For one thing, lots of schools are making eyes at Pirate coach Skip Holtz.

For another, many Virginia  fans have no affection whatsoever for the Pirates. That rub dates all the way back to 1975, when the Pirates made their first visit to Scott Stadium and won the game 61-10 with then-ECU coach Pat Dye using very few of his first-stringers during the second half.

Then, in one of the really strange developments in regional football history, several ECU upperclassmen made their way into the Virginia locker room about 30 minutes after game’s end. Those ECU players severely chastised Virginia’s players for what the Pirates perceived as having quit in the game on then-Virginia coach Sonny Randle (another UVa alum).

Randle had coached ECU to  successive 9-2 records in 1972 and ‘73. Randle was visibly moved by the display of devotion from his former team, and the Pirate players quickly apologized for their irrational actions, but a strong emotional undercurrent was set that still eats at the Virginia old-line, which is deep and wide.

Through no fault of his own, Groh inherits that aspect of his school’s football history, not to mention the long-standing ill will with Duke (Steve Spurrier vs. George Welsh famous feuds), North Carolina and Maryland.

In short, Groh’s in a full-blown dilemma.  But who, a year ago this time, could have ever guessed that the onset of a football coaching crisis could hinge on beating Duke?

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Groh

Can't believe Duke beat Virginia by 4 touchdowns ...

Possible Coaches to Replace Groh

Let's face it, save for a miraculous turnaround, Groh (and possibly Littlepage) is done come season end.  Who might replace him?

 Options:

Lure Skip Holtz from ECU (doubtful)

Hope that Bobby Johnson wants to come back to the ACC bad enough to leave Vandy

Bring Ron Prince back from Kansas State

Get creative and bring in a high powered offense with up n coming Tulsa HC Gus Malzahn

 

 

Maryland

Fear the Turtle!

Baloney - Groh must go

I AM a UVA fan and alum, so I know the team and Groh's performance a little better. What is Fool's Gold is last year's deceiving record. People who don't pay attention thought it was a great team and a great coach because they played on New Year's Day and almost won 10 games. That team was mediocre at best, but won a bunch of LUCKY 1 or 2 point games against VERY WEAK teams. Many of us knew last year's team was only as good as a typical 5-win team. This year's team is awful. 8 years into the program, there is nobody who is responsible for that besides AL GROH. Further, he hired his entirely unqualified son to be the offensive coordinator, and the results have been as disastrous as you would expect for any act of nepotism. On what basis should Al Groh be retained? Where is the hope? This team is so bad, they go into shotgun formation on 4th and 1. Its an absolute embarrassment. Last year was lucky, but its been three straight years of poor to awful teams, with no player development, outside of Chris Long and Brandon Albert. Groh's track record is that of mediocrity at best. Why should mediocrity be paid as if he is among the best in the country? And why be so afraid of replacing mediocrity? By definition, you can always find more mediocrity. UVA should be looking for someone who can take the program beyond mediocrity. Groh promised to do that. He had 8 years. He failed. Time to try someone else.

Groh Must Go

You are absolutely on the mark regarding Groh mediocrity.  His total career has been one of mediocrity.

Who were the bafoons responsible for bringing him aboard?  How about a little accountability in that department.

 I never cared for Welsch and his nose picking but he was a winner and brought the UVA program a high degree of respectability.

 No where in America, (except UVA) ,would a coach be kept on who has failed as miserably as he vs. his major competition, Va. Tech.

How about the staff he has put together?  Revolving door.  I've always contended if you want to dig down and truly evaluate a program, look  for continuity in its staff.  RR

I'm afraid you are right; he

I'm afraid you are right; he can't recruit -- still no QB-- and is over paid; son is not top caliber; I have known Al Groh since he played for UVA; but he lost me with the wearing of the Orange and other nonsense George Welsh did not need to win; time for a change

Can anyone there do an

Can anyone there do an article on Duke receiving a pair of verbals over the weekend on the basketball side...or a former UNC football verbal who has now decided to go to Duke?

At the N&O?  Are you

At the N&O?  Are you kidding?

Ridiculous Expectations

All Groh is in his 8th season at Virigina...in those 7 years he has won 51 games (an average of slightly over 7 games per year!) and gone to 5 bowl games...what more exactly would Cavaliers fans expect? His teams are, more often than not, competitive in the ACC and make a dent on the national scene from time to time. To hold the football program at an institution like Virgina up to that of a football factory like Virgina Tech (or Clemson, or Florida State) is fool hearty. Should he be able to compete with those teams and win from time to time, sure...and Groh has done that. The ACC will never be the SEC, and fans of the member schools who still have a shred of academic integrity should never aspire to be. It's fools gold. I'm not a Virgina fan. But to think that someone with Groh's track record could be "on the hot seat" is just ridiculous to me. This appears to be a rebuilding year for the Wahoos. It's a cycle and those things happen when you have a shred of dignity and/or integrity in recruiting. If a coach had a losing record over a large sample of work (and Groh does not), sure, you can consider making a change. If your coach is cheating, you should make a change. But if ACC schools and their fans keep driving out competent coaches every 2 or 3 years they will never maintain the continuity necessary to keep these cycles in place and their programs relevant. And without continuity they will never reach the so-called heights that the fans and the media apparently clamor for.

Al Groh

You are drinking the kool-aid if you think Al Groh has done a credible job.

After 8 years on the job your program should be established.  Instead his is in shambles.  He can not maintain a staff, UVA  Football and the "Titanic" have a lot in  common. 

The program has deteriated back to the Dick Bestwick days.  At least Bestwick was a nice guy.  Who incidentally also had the same problem maintaining a staff

Groh-ing Problems

I am a Uva alum and a huge Hoo fan.  I think Groh is a good man; a  good mentor to our young players, but ultimately, he is paid (quite handsomely BTW) to win. Groh himself stoked the fan expectations that are now threatening to bring him down. He came into the job promising championships. Eight years in, we have a couple Tire bowl trophies; no BCS bowls and not even one ACC championship - something Wake Forest has done with less talent and similar academic restrictions.  We haven't even made it to the ACC championship game! And it's not as if the ACC is a football powerhouse. So I don't think UVa fan expectations are so out of whack. 

Some of this underperformance is due to academic attrition, but many fans believe much of it is also due to Groh's NFL-esque schemes which work great if you have a stock of pro-ready players like USC. At UVa, we need to be a little more creative. Groh also insists on recruiting size over speed, which any casual observer of last years App State's shocker in the Big House can see that the opposite trend is the path to championships in college football.

Many fans/alum like me were around for the Moore-to-Moore years of number one rankings and FSU upsets. We were expecting to build on those years and come out with a better product. There - as the Russians say - is where the dog is buried for Coach Groh.

I think the "Ridiculous

I think the "Ridiculous Expectations" comment has some merit.  But, when you are paying a coach roughly $2 million a year, you are entitled to more than what Groh has delivered.  I'm a Virginia fan and would be fine with Groh's performance if he wasn't among the top 20 highest paid coaches in the country. 

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Caulton Tudor has worked for The News & Observer or The Raleigh Times for more than 30 years.

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