Three Points from N.C. State's 86-84 loss at Wake Forest on Tuesday:
1) No one to blame but N.C. State
Let's get this out of the way: Referees Les Jones, Ed Corbett and Ted Valentine were not good on Tuesday. There were too many fouls called, 44 in all, and there was no consistency to the calls.
That being said, the refs were not the reason N.C. State lost the game, they're not even one of the top two reasons N.C. State lost the game. N.C. State lost because its defense was bad in the second half (Wake scored 51 points) and it couldn't make consecutive free throws or an open shot when it had to.
N.C. State missed four field goals in the final 26 seconds that would have tied the game or given them the lead. C.J. Leslie missed three of four free throws in the final 61 seconds. Leslie went to the line down 83-81 with 1:01 left and made one free throw. He went back to the line with 29 seconds left, down 83-82 and missed both free throws.
Leslie also missed a contested layup, Rodney Purvis, who was otherwise superb, missed an open 8-footer and Scott Wood missed an open 3-pointer, all in the final 26 seconds.
The Wolfpack's defense was just as culpable in defeat. Wake shot almost 60 percent in the second half (19 of 32) and scored 51 points, despite scoring only four points (all on free throws) in the final 4:11 of the game.
To put those 51 second-half points in perspective, Wake scored 44 in a loss at Clemson last week. That's 44 points in the entire game, Wake had also 35 in the first half on Tuesday.
State's defensive problems began on the interior and spread to the outside. For the second straight game, a forward named "Devin" destroyed N.C. State.
Freshman forward Devin Thomas couldn't quite top Clemson's Devin Booker's 27 points from Sunday but Thomas finished with 25 points and 14 rebounds. Thomas had nine offensive boards and was 10 of 13 from the floor. That's way too easy, especially for a freshman against veteran players.
The fouls had an effect on how State defended Thomas in the post but N.C. State coach Mark Gottfried could have used 7-footer Jordan Vandenberg more. Vandenberg played 12 mostly effective minutes in the first half, while Leslie sat out with foul trouble, but then only two in the second half.
Thomas still had 12 points in the first half but Gottfried would have been better off using all five of Vandenberg's fouls on Thomas, who was 5 of 11 from the free-throw line.
2) But about the officials
The problem with calling every little foul early in the game is you set a precedent. Then when you stop calling every little foul, there's no consistency. That's why it's best just to let the players decide the game, instead of trying to micromanage every bit of contact.
Touch fouls were called in the first half while considerable contact was ignored in the second half. Valentine, in particular, was unpredictable, to say the least.
On one botched call at 9:24 in the first half, Valentine awarded Purvis two foul shots after a made basket. Either the basket should have counted and Purvis should have gone to the line for one shot or Purvis should have been sent to the line for a one-and-one on Wake's seventh team foul. Instead, Valentine ignored the made basket and inexplicably awarded Purvis two shots (he made them both).
On another first-half call, about 5 minutes later, Valentine came from the opposite side of the floor to make a call on Vandenberg contesting a shot under the basket. Maybe Valentine had a better view than Jones, who was standing 3 feet from the play, but that's not Valentine's call.
"Come on, Les, you can't let that guy do that," Gottfried said to Jones after Valentine's foul call.
On two different calls, Valentine blew his whistle and put his arms out and palms up to indicate he needed help from either Jones or Corbett. To most fans, that "I don't know, help me" pose typified Valentine's night.
Valentine, by the way, has worked two N.C. State games this season and the Wolfpack has lost both games. Valentine whistled Leslie for a charge in the final minute of the Michigan loss on Nov. 27, which derailed any hope of an N.C. State win in that game.
Valentine held onto his whistle while Leslie went to the rim with 12 seconds left. Given Leslie had just missed three free throws, it actually looked like Wake's Aaron Rountree was trying to foul Leslie on the play but there was no call.
Jones, who I think is a good official, also worked N.C. State's foulfest at Boston College on Jan. 5
3) A crossroads for N.C. State
N.C. State has a choice to make: Does it want to be good or great?
State can keep going on the current path — good at home, incompetent on the road — and watch its season end in the first weekend of the NCAA tournament. Or it can decide to follow senior Richard Howell's lead and leave its best effort on the court in every game.
There is no dominant team in the ACC or the country this season. There's no reason, with its talent and experience, N.C. State can't win the ACC or go to the Final Four. That's the opportunity that N.C. State has, which is a rare one when you consider how good UNC and Duke have been on both fronts for the better part of 30 years.
But N.C. State needs to make a choice. C.J. Leslie and Scott Wood need to make a choice. Leslie and Wood were two of the main reasons N.C. State beat Duke on Jan. 12. They are also two of the main reasons N.C. State has lost two times in three game since.
All players miss shots, it's a fact and no one should blame Wood for missing at the end of the Maryland game or the Wake game. Same for Leslie's problems from the free-throw line on Tuesday.
But both players need to be more involved. They have to take ownership in this team, otherwise, there will be more bad losses to bad teams, and even more painful ones to good teams.
It's N.C. State's choice, and no one else's, and the Wolfpack has 12 ACC games left to make it.





Comments
Blaming officials
Fri, 01/25/2013 - 23:00 — rkb0387Opening this up by blaming the officials (you tried to say you weren't, but then you went on a rant) for State's loss and their own reaction and giving no credit to Wake is irresponsible and dead wrong. Read Dan Collins' blog My take on Wake in the W-S JOurnal and see the differences in the 2 "CJ's" - very telling. We could whine about the no call @ end of Va. Tech game, but did not. Get over it... and give Wake some credit, folks! and I'll take our CJ over yours anyday! Class over classless...
Not ready from primetime
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 20:21 — coastalconnectionNot ready from primetime Pack. MG and team supposed to be knocking dust, but instead so inconsistent. Reminds me of Mike O'Cain's football teams...win the ones you are not supposed to, lose the ones you are suppose to win. Debbie better get on her broom and fly around some more to get everyone's attention. Next casualty - Kellie Harper.
Well, you can always say
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:14 — scoot9Well, you can always say it's no one’s fault but their (ncsu) own and they have to take it that way but the matter is, how inconsistent the calls are. Of course, at the end of the game the numbers became closer but the damage has already been done. I'm not just jumping on this game, it's been like this for years and the only time you see a difference is when they go into the NCAA tournament. I’m sick of the touch fouls, without them then everyone is on an even playing ground.
For State……..
Hit free throws – THERE FREE!!!! If you cannot, then practice.
Use Wood for more than three pointers. The two ACC teams to beat State stopped Wood’s 3 point shot. This is a must!!
Move, move, move. Quit standing on your heals.
CALL A TIME OUT before the opposing team ties the game (GOOD GOSH). Call it as soon as you see a negative change in mental and physical output. I know you want to use them wisely but in the 2nd half Gottfried waited until they were 6 down.. (GOOD GOSH).
I can honestly say at times State looked so unorganized that it appeared like a group of guys in a back yard game with no plan.
But the easy fix is for the ACC coaches sits down with the Refs and explain their intentions. But I’m sure they’ll have a hard time getting Mike K and Roy on board with it.
My 2 cents
Scott9
CORRECTION
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:53 — GsoTomPoint # 1, bad defense in the 2nd half, was a direct result of Point #2, bad officiating. They were scared to defend because of the ridiculous whistles. State's guys had 2 options: 1) foul out, or 2) watch WF shoot and hope they miss. And State did not get the benefit of the whistles at the end when the fouls were hard and blatantly obvious. So, in reality the bad officiating IS the reason state lost. Is easy to say they should have found a way, but that's easier saId than done when the reality is that it's 5 on 7 or 8.
Disagree re: the whistles
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:22 — SurferState had the open looks and the free throws; ample opportunities to win this one.
Please
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:00 — richardfocState played bad defense in the 2nd half because that's what State does...play bad defense. Stop blaming the officials and recognize that this team has deficiencies that need to fixed in order for them to get out of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament.
Leslie and Wood
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:33 — JPDOhioI could not agree more.
CJ has improved considerably under Gott's guidance, but he still has the tendency to revert to the CJ of the Sid years. Everything that is said about his athletic ability is true and, even on a bad day, he puts up numbers that most players can only dream about. But if he wants to lead this team to a conference championship and a Final Four appearance, he needs to be fully engaged and on his game for 40 minutes every game.
Regarding Wood, I think Gott has tried to push him out of his comfort zone more than anyone else on the team. It is not enough for Scott to just spot up for threes. State's opponents have seen that movie and know how to change the outcome. It seems like Scott still is tentative when varying his offensive looks. He needs to dedicate himself to making that work. If he does, he will be more productive and it will help the team immensely.
Although Lorenzo Brown wasn't mentioned, I thought he panicked against Wake and got away from directing the team in the most efficient way. He looked more like the Lorenzo we saw struggling in the first few games of the season. He needs to be the settling influence when things start to get Keystone Kops crazy. I think he missed the mark yesterday.
All three of those guys are capable of settling down and leading this team to a berth in the Final Four. They have to choose to do so and there is no better time to recommit to that concept than Saturday night against the Tar Heels.
Wow!
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:59 — PackFanManJG's very well presented piece and your cogent comments leave nothing more to be said---bullseye!
.....I fear it's gonna' get realy ugly if state doesn't win Saturday; it has become a MUST game in my opinion.
Prediction for Saturday
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:36 — JPDOhioPack by 10.
It's at home, the place will be rocking and there will be no intensity problem.
And, I think State matches up very well with the Tar Heels.
Prob right
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:25 — Surfer10 sounds about right. No way NCSU lays another egg, esp. At home. The big question though, is; Does MG break out the red blazer? I'm thinking gray suit, red tie.
admit it
Thu, 01/24/2013 - 10:55 — JPDOhioNow you are just taunting me.
But I will "taunt?" you (in fun))
Thu, 01/24/2013 - 14:58 — PackFanManjust a bit. I remember last season that you predicted State would win by ten; so, I'm holding you personally "accountable" (pun intended) this year.............LOL
...........Take care.
I stand by my prediction
Thu, 01/24/2013 - 16:46 — JPDOhioAlthough I must admit that my track record with football predictions has been better than it has with State basketball.
I feel good about this next game because I don't see intensity as a problem for this game and, though UNC has gotten better, they still have their own issues. The way both teams play defense, the final could be 100-90.
Either way, this is a turning point game for both State and UNC. The Pack needs to prove they are not pretenders, especially since the Duke win isn't looking as good today as it did two days ago. The Tar Heels need a win to sustain the improvement they have made over the past three games. More than just bragging rights are at stake here.
no
Thu, 01/24/2013 - 14:06 — SurferSeriously, I will be surprised if State continues their poor play, while UNC continues to play well enough to win. So, I'm thinking that it's even, but with it being a home game for NCSU, they will have the edge.
Officials
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 13:05 — SurferHuh? It sure sounds like they had a hand in how this game turned out. Of course, a little better defense and making a few FTs and open shots, would make it a moot point anyway.
I'll say it
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 12:29 — YAR8packTeddy Valentine make Karl Hess look like a member of MENSA. Teddy V is as incompetent at his job as I would be at building a solar powered car.
The inconsistency last night was awful.
But I do agree that isn't the reason NC State lost. The reason they lost is because the team left at halftime of last night's game. No hustle. Poor shot selection. Out rebounded on the defensive end for the 11 billionth time this year.
I'm nervous about Saturday. If the Pack plays on Saturday like they did last night, the heals will beat them by 30.