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Summer Kickoff: Part III

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Part I: N.C. State, Florida State, Clemson
Part II: Wake, Maryland, BC
Part IV: Miami, Virginia, Duke


Record: 10-4 overall, 5-3 ACC (first, Coastal, ACC champions)

Bowl: beat Cincinnati, 20-7 in the Orange

They're here: RB Darren Evans, DE Jason Worilds, QB Tyrod Taylor

They're gone: CB Macho Harris, K Dustin Keys, QB Sean Glennon



• Confidence. Terms like confidence, motivation and momentum can be nebulous but in the case of Virginia Tech football, when you watch them play, you can look at the players, coaches and even fans, and tell they expect to win.

When you win 52 games in five years, the confidence to win usually follows as does the motivation to maintain the standards of the program. That's also a sign of great coaching, and make no mistake, winning the '08 ACC title, with that young of a team and that many new parts, ranks among Frank Beamer's top accomplishments, and certainly one of his best coaching jobs, at his alma mater.

• The running game. Darren Evans (1,265 yards) was one of three 1,000-yard rushers in the ACC last season and really saved Tech's offense last season after the usual mishmash at quarterback and completely new set of receivers.

The offensive line still isn't great — nobody in the ACC allowed more sacks (42) than VT last season — but with three starters back, it will get better, in part because of Evans' ability and redshirt freshman running back Ryan Williams, who lit up the spring game.


• The passing game. Quarterback Tyrod Taylor's a lot of things but efficient passer is not one of them. Part of that is not Taylor's fault. He has been jerked around by the coaching staff — He's redshirting! He's not! — and had to share time with Sean Glennon in one of the more bizarre — yet effective — quarterback scenarios in ACC history the past two seasons.

Also in Taylor's defense, VT lost four receivers to the NFL in '08.

But the bottom line for Taylor is he threw two touchdowns and seven interceptions and completed just 57.2 percent of his attempts (99-173).

Taylor's rushing ability, he ran for seven scores, offsets some of his deficiencies at quarterback but at some point — and for VT to take the next step from ACC power to national power — Taylor needs to progress as a passer.

• Special teams. Blaspheme, I know, but VT lost a game (ECU) on punt block last year and had three punts returned for a touchdown. Meanwhile, it didn't return a punt or kickoff for a score. That's not the BeamerBall formula.

Kicker Dustin Keys was very good, limited in length strength, but made 23-of-29 field goals and was the best scoring option on a limited offensive team. He's gone, not that Beamer can't find a suitable replacement, just that there's no guarantee Penn State transfer Matt Waldron will be as good as Keys.


Sept. 5 Alabama (@ Atlanta)
Sept. 12 Marshall
Sept. 19 Nebraska
Sept. 26 Miami
Oct. 3 @ Duke
Oct. 10 Boston College
Oct. 17 @ Georgia Tech
Oct. 24 bye
Oct. 29 UNC
Nov. 5 @ ECU
Nov. 14 @ Maryland
Nov. 21 N.C. State
Nov. 28 @ Virginia



What went right

• Outclassed, and down 14 points at UNC on Sept. 20, the Hokies found a way to rally and beat the Tar Heels, 20-17. After a demoralizing Thursday night loss at Miami on Nov. 13 — and seemingly out of the Coastal race — the Hokies slugged through ugly wins over Duke (14-3) and UVa (17-14).

• VT played its best two games when it mattered most, blitzing BC in the ACC title game, 30-12, and then subduing Cincinnati, 20-7 in the Orange Bowl to end the ACC's eight-year drought in the BCS.

• A week after beating VT and taking control of the Coastal, Miami got cranked by Georgia Tech, 41-23, which effectively gave VT the division title.

What went wrong

• The passing game (111th nationally), the blocking (111th in sacks allowed) and quarterback shuffle/injuries all contributed to a mostly inept offense (104th nationally), save for Evans' ground game.

• The plan to shelve Taylor, and start Glennon, lasted one game — a 27-22 loss to East Carolina.


x-Tyrod Taylor 99-173 1036 2 7
Sean Glennon 65-108 743 3 5
x-Darren Evans 287 1265 4.4 11
x-Tyrod Taylor 147 738 5.0 7
x-Kenny Lewis 64 237 3.7 3
x-Jarrett Boykin 30 441 14.7 2
x-Danny Coale 36 408 11.3 0

Note: x-returning



Record: 9-4 overall, 5-3 ACC (second, Coastal)

Bowl: lost to LSU, 38-3 in the Peach

They're here: RB Jonathan Dwyer, QB Josh Nesbitt, S Morgan Burnett

They're gone: DE Michael Johnson, DT Vance Walker, DT Darryl Richard



• Running game. It's not just that 10 starters are back, or that Jonathan Dwyer led the league in rushing (1,395) and yards per carry (7.0) but that the players' experience in Paul Johnson's flexbone offense. It's no longer a foreign concept after two springs, 13 games and the extra bowl practice.

That means Johnson can expand his options on the offense. Throw in Louisville transfer Anthony Allen at running back and Tech's ground game, which led the ACC and ranked fourth nationally with 273 yards per game, will be even more difficult to stop in Year 2.

• Being different. Johnson's the only coach in the country running the flexbone. It's a form of the old triple option, which teams stopped using in the 1980s because defenses became too fast (which is why GT had so much trouble with UNC and LSU). But by being unique, Johnson begins every game week with an edge in preparation.


• The defensive line. You can't help but talk about offense when it comes to GT but the defense carried that team through stretches when either Nesbitt was hurt or opponents could slow the run (re: at Boston College). With three new starters on the defensive line, the Jackets will not enjoy the same advantage, even though the back seven returns.

•  The schedule. Going back to Navy, Johnson has been the master at scheduling, stocking the slate with easy wins. But this schedule features only one Division I-AA opponent and then a few quirks that won't help the Jackets.

GT figures to benefit from the four-day turnaround between the opener and a Thursday night game with Clemson but the next Thursday they play Miami, which will be coming off a bye.

Then there's a stretch of at Florida State (Oct. 10), Virginia Tech (Oct. 17) at home and then at Virginia (Oct. 24). Virginia doesn't seem like much on paper, but the Cavs beat GT last year (that 3-4 defense helps them against the option) and UVa has been superb at home under Al Groh.

After playing consecutive games against the preseason favorites, how interested will GT be in a trip to UVa? That's the classic definition of a trap game, my friends.

To top it all off, GT doesn't get a bye until Week 11. That's a lot of football.

If the division race is as close as last year, all of those little things can add up.


Sept. 5 Jacksonville State
Sept. 10 Clemson
Sept. 17 @ Miami
Sept. 26 UNC
Oct. 3 @ Mississippi State
Oct. 10 @ Florida State
Oct. 17 Virginia Tech
Oct. 24 @ Virginia
Oct. 31 @ Vanderbilt
Nov. 7 Wake Forest
Nov. 14 @ Duke
Nov. 21 bye
Nov. 28 Georgia



What went right

• Even with two easy wins on the schedule, GT surpassed all expectations in going 9-4, tying for first in the Coastal Division.

• With 273 rushing yards per game, GT ranked fourth nationally in rushing offense and led the ACC — by almost 100 yards per game.

• A 45-42 win in Athens ended a seven-game losing streak to rival Georgia.

What went wrong

• Given the emotion in beating Georgia, it would have been difficult for the Jackets to beat the Little Sisters of the Poor in the Peach Bowl, but the 38-3 demolition at the hands of Louisiana State University raised the age-old questions about the effectiveness of Johnson's system on the elite level.

• A late stumble at home to Virginia cost the Jackets the Coastal Division.


x-Josh Nesbitt 54-123 808 2 5
x-Jaybo Shaw 15-24 321 2 1
x-Jonathan Dywer 200 1395 7.0 12
x-Josh Nesbitt 172 693 4.0 7
x-Roddy Jones 81 690 8.5 4
x-D.Thomas 39 627 16.1 3

Note: x-returning



Record: 8-5 overall, 4-4 ACC (third, Coastal)

Bowl: lost to West Virginia, 31-30 in the Meineke

They're here: LB Quan Sturdivant, QB T.J. Yates, RB Shaun Draughn

They're gone: WR Hakeem Nicks, WR Brandon Tate, S Trimane Goddard



• Speed. If UNC's defense looks familiar it should, it's the same blueprint Butch Davis, and Jimmy Johnson before him, used at the University of Miami. There's size up front and speed in the back.

Davis is stockpiling talent on the defensive side of the ball. It's not just the nine starters coming back but the new bodies he's bringing in — and will get reps this season. In linebackers Quan Sturdivant and Bruce Carter, Davis has two of the best athletes in the ACC.

The entire line returns and Davis has added one of the best recruits in the country in end Donte Moss. Defensive tackle Marvin Austin's hype still outmatches his production but his talent is indisputable and if he's motivated to go the NFL after this season, he should have his best season.

The Heels gave up too many yards (365 per game) and points (21 per game) to be considered a great defense but with so many parts back, they have a chance to take the next step this season.

• From the jump, Davis has been decisive in his support of quarterback T.J. Yates. He named Yates, then an unknown redshirt, the starter before the '07 season, despite the experience of returning starter Cam Sexton.

A year later, Yates got hurt in the third game. Sexton performed admirably in the interim, keeping UNC's season afloat.

In the short term, Davis would have been better off sticking with Sexton at the end of the '08 season but he views Yates as the long-term solution. He went with Yates and finished 1-2, including an ugly 41-10 home loss to N.C. State.

Why is that a "Plus?" Because in backing Yates, Davis gave the kid confidence. Identifying the roles of your players on the team is the top priority of any coach, in any sport on any level. Davis' decision last November told Yates, "You're my guy."

That kind of loyalty usually pays off in the end. In Yates, Davis has a quarterback for the next two seasons. And in an offense where there are so many questions at receiver, the coach doesn't have to worry about the quarterback.

In turn, Yates doesn't have to look over his shoulder or worry what happens if he has a bad game. He's the Guy, and with that kind of support from his coach, you can expect Yates to play like it in '09.


• Receivers grow on trees in college football but Hakeem Nicks was the best in school history. And in terms of big-play ability, Brandon Tate was one step ahead of Nicks.

UNC just doesn't have talent like those two players in the program. That doesn't mean they won't be able to throw the ball — Josh Adams, Dwight Jones and Greg Little will likely put up respectable numbers — but can those receivers change games like Nicks and Tate did?

Think of it this way — Tyler Hansbrough is leaving the basketball program. They'll still play basketball at UNC and they will have new talent at the position but it's not the same. That's how good, and important, Nicks was to the football program. He was the equivalent of Hansbrough.

•  Depth on the offensive line is in short supply and it wasn't helped when guard Aaron Stahl graduated and did not use his final season of eligibility. The unit already lost tackle Garrett Reynolds and guard Calvin Darity.

The ground game struggled at times, particularly early, but that was offset by the explosive ability of the passing game. That explosion won't be there, or at least as much, which means the line has to stay healthy and establish a consistent running game.


Sept. 5 The Citadel
Sept. 12 @ UConn
Sept. 19 ECU
Sept. 26 @ Georgia Tech
Oct. 3 Virginia
Oct. 10 Georgia Southern
Oct. 17 bye
Oct. 22 Florida State
Oct. 29 @ Virginia Tech
Nov. 7 Duke
Nov. 14 Miami
Nov. 21 @ Boston College
Nov. 28 @ N.C. State



What went right

• The team went from four wins to eight with a gigantic season from Nicks, an improved defense and some impressive improvisation with all the important injuries.

•  For the first time since 2002, UNC left the state of North Carolina and won a football game, pummeling Rutgers 44-12 on national television.

• The Heels delivered a 29-24 win over Notre Dame in a thrilling atmosphere to start 5-1 and, if only for a moment, make football the most important sport in town.

What went wrong

• The usual loss at Virginia, UNC hasn't won there since 1981, killed the momentum from the Notre Dame win and started the Heels on a 3-4 slide to the finish.

• The injuries to Yates and Tate sidetracked what could have been a division championship. Even still, a missed 28-yard field goal against Maryland ultimately proved to be the difference between first and third place.

• The 41-10 home loss to N.C. State was humiliating and dropped Davis to 0-2 against the Wolfpack and 0-4 against State, ECU and Wake Forest.


Cam Sexton 94-168 1261 9 6
x-T.J. Yates 81-135 1168 11 4
x-Shaun Draughn 198 866 4.4 3
x-Greg Little 78 339 4.3 3
x-Ryan Houston 77 299 3.9 8
Hakeem Nicks 68 1222 18.0 12
Brandon Tate 16 376 23.5 3

Note: x-returning

— By J.P. Giglio


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heh, it's almost pointless

heh, it's almost pointless to post anything to gatr and sometimes heels20. some people will believe anything just so they can think their team is superior. i guess we'll just have to wait for the season to play out to point out their false claims and predictions.


like in an eariler post, look in the mirror. 

you talk about your football team like it has played great football for the last four decades. 

I may have said some things that have probably pissed you off, but I've never been to far from the center of the page talking about ncsu or UNC.  you just can't see the forest for all the trees.

You were 6-7 last year and

You were 6-7 last year and haven't had a winning season since 2005.  You get two wins over a rebuilding Carolina football team and you suddenly think you're about to be a big football school with BCS hopes.  You're now a one-man team and the hope of your future rests on the shoulders of a QB who has never taken a snap and CAN'T RUN.  All you know how to say is "41-10".  With the exception of the '02-'03 season, your program has been mediocre at best the past decade.  Will you get better?  Yes, TOB is a good coach.  But mad_max, you are a true State fan.  Always talking up your team a couple steps above what it actually is.

Russell Wilson is possibly the most dangerous player in the conference.  Period.  But last time I checked, there are 11 guys on the field at once.  Defensively, you aren't any more talented than us at D-line, you're far inferior at the linebacker position when Irving is down, and you don't have a single DB that could even touch Kendric Burney or Duenta Williams.  Offensively, you have the advantage at QB, we have the more talented starters on the O-line and a running game that proved to be more effective than your running game last year.  You didn't have a single receiver last year that was even in the same league as Nicks, Tate or Foster.  I'll give you the advantage at receiver simply because we haven't seen our guys play yet.  However, I feel pretty confident as we are reloading with 4 and 5-star recruits.

You're talking about us going 6-6 next year, but still act as though you're a big time contender in the conference.  How biased can you get?  You know nothing about our team and you don't know nearly enough about your own team to back up your argument.  Who's going to lead you to victory if Wilson goes down, Jake Vermiglio?  Jeff Rieskamp?  TJ Graham?  I just don't understand it.

see, this is your problem

see, this is your problem on like to put words in other people's mouths. when did i say unc was going 6-6? when did i act like state was a big time contender in the conference? i've only posted "41-10" on here one time (well two counting this one) and that was a sarcastic response to a unc fan that brought it up first! all i've ever done is point out the hypocracy in some of the unc fans' comments on this blog. you make so many assumptions of what i think about my team and your team, but you don't just use what i post in my comments. you take bits and pieces of all diifferent fans' arguments and then pretend that one person said them all. wake up and get real.

when have i talked up state more than they are? please, specifically show me. i hope you're not talking about me being optimistic about the pack's defense this year. you make the point that rw is just one of 11 players on the field, but that's what i was already saying! i'm the one that pointed out, it wasn't rw who stopped ecu at the goal line twice. it wasn't rw who forced 6 to's in chapel hill. it wasn't rw that got that crucial kick return td against duke.

once again, it's pointless to even try to hold a discussion with you because you've already made up in your mind what i've said before i've even said anything.


Heels20, don't be too hard on Max. (You are right on point though) Remember that State has the "State Champion" tee shirts and the "Walk of Champions". Many thrive on the prospect of a winning season and optimism is the only recourse. They have a good QB in RW, but I have to wonder, if he takes the time to consider his 3rd and 4th reads, as TOB indicates, if he will be as effective scrambling as he was last year? Of course it could result in less contact, as well, which could be to his advantage.

I like this type of QB for sure, can you say Donovan Tate? But I doubt that we will ever see DT enrolled at UNC.

Wow. Johnson is the master

Wow. Johnson is the master of scheduling, and so therefore controls the ACC portion. You got a scoop there, pal. use it. And the last time I looked, long runs count in rushing yardage, or are you saying they don't? Last season and this Tech played/will play its ACC schedule, and three outside games: one is a patsy, agreed. You know, like UNC, State, Wake Forest, and Duke play. Those guys. One is the rivalry game: Georgia. I seem to remember that before the season, Georgia was a No. 1 pick. Makes no difference, because Tech couldn't beg off anyway. That leaves one game: Mississippi State, whom most everybody thought would be a good team. Next year, I think, that game is Kansas, nationally ranked last year. So why so churlish on your part? Did Johnson somehow disrespect you? Can't imagine that, because from what I've seen he is the most boring interview on earth. And lastly, for your education, the option was outdated because every coach was trying to recruit the game who wanted to play in the NFL. Which meant 5 and 7 step drops and fling it downfield. In short, they aren't athletes at all, just big old boys with slow feet and a big arm. Again: 326 yards rushing against UNC. We will see this year. I hope you will be man enough to give it up after the game.

My biggest objection is your suggestion that Johnson somehow manipulates Tech's schedule to get a good record. I am pretty sure he has to play the same ACC schedule as anybody else, and that he did really good last season. Which of your toys did he break?

Ga. Tech

Mr. Giglio: I more and more daily marvel at how Paul Johnson keeps his composure amidst such cupidity by ACC writers. First, Johnson is in his first year at Tech, and had nothing to do with the schedule. Second, he played two smaller schools this year because Army backed out of the Tech schedule. Third, he has nothing to do with this year's schedule. Fourth, if you think scheduling Notre Dame, Pittsburgh and Boston College while at Navy is putting pansies on the schedule, you're nuts. And finally, for god's sakes, you are supposed to be a reporter. So report. Defenses got faster and neutralized the option? That resulted in NC whomping Tech? My god, man. Tech averaged something like 275 yards a game rushing for the year ... and rolled up 326 against your boys at Carolina. Try reporting: mistakes. fumbles. penalties. That cost Tech the Carolina game. 21 points in the third quarter cost Tech the LSU game, although they outgained LSU on offense. Stop being lazy. Do some reporting.

You must be


The same GT fan I've had to explain this to before: Paul Johnson will admit, with his AD, they purposely played the easiest schedule in I-A to qualfiy for a bowl. They're Navy, that's what they had to do to win games.

Go to and look up archived stats from 2005, 06, 07 and look at where Navy's schedule, in terms of opponents' winning percentage ranks.

As for the UNC game, GT didn't get jacksquat on the ground until it was 21-0 then Dwyer popped a long run to make the stats look good.

And if you don't think speed kills the option, you didn't watch the LSU game — or Miami in the 1980s.

I'll let you try to connect the dots on the latter to the current situation in the ACC.


Since you asked so nicely

Navy's strength of schedule:

2004: 117th
2005: 117th
2006: 117th
2007: 113th


It was 21-0 with 6:00 when Dwyer popped off a meaningless, A-Rodesque 85-yard touchown run. 


3rd and long

was another reason UNC won that game rather easily.  Tech couldn't do a lot, most of the game, on 1st and 2nd downs.

while Tech still had a good amt of yards on the ground ... speed on defense is the key ingredient to beating this option type offense.

GT can beat up on pansies, still beat the mediocre, but can't beat anyone better than they are.

Very well put

Defending the triple option is simple, fundamental football.  If you've got speed and toughness on defense, you won't lose.  Granted, we had a bye week to prepare for it, but at the same time, speedy linebackers like Bruce Carter and big DTs like Marvin Austin will eat that offense up.

If speedy LB's will stop the option..

UNC is in good shape this season. That said, while it's true GT didn't amass a lot of yards until the score was 21-0...UNC this season needs to keep it's toughness up and stay that way through out the game. It's true UNC lost some of it's games by just a few points last season, and a tougher, more stout defense can be the cure for that. A lot of players returned, and now they must show that their potential can play out as a suffocating defense.

GT Bye

They put a strong emphasis on that Georgia game waiting until the 2nd to last week of the season for their bye, I wonder if that was planned or necessary?

"Why is that a plus?"

Because an NC State homer got to mention 41-10 in an article about UNC, why do you ask?

J/K JPG; good summary. Does your column have a Facebook presence? Why not?

41-10? what is that supposed

41-10? what is that supposed to mean? wait, was that the score of the game last year? ohhhh, i see...

62-29-6?  What is that

62-29-6?  What is that supposed to mean?  Wait, is that our head-to-head record over State?  Ohhhh, I see...

Who keeps count?

You do realize that for like 20 years UNC had scholarship teams and NC St was just a bunch of walk-ons? Why would you count exhabition games? Those games meant nothing, it was like playing an intramural team, you really going to brag about that? JP Giglio said it the best, Butch is 2-4 against rival schools, almost 1-5 if Duke hadn't screwed up on their game winning drive last year. Y'all actually made Duke look good....

Very few keep count

No one keeps count, except a few State fans for the past 2 years. Okay 42-29-6, does that make you feel better? Well, make it 41-29-6, we'll throw out the year UNC won in Charlotte with the defensive back playing QB. Complaining about who is playing would be like UNC "not having a QB" nor their best playmaker for last year's game, not gonna happen.

Not having a QB?

Interesting, I thought for sure there was a guy lined up behind the center every snap? I thought that guy had a winning record at the time? You really going to balme a 31 (should've actually been higher if our WRs could catch) point loss on having your starting QB in, which your coach choose to put in over your back-up QB? The QB you apparently wanted in, came in, and it was a disaster. I don't want to hear any QB excuses, or no Tate excuses, the NC St game was not the first game Yates or Sexton played, and it wasn't the first game without Tate. There are no excuses for the loss.


Then by that logic, we can agree that while NC State was the better team on November 22, UNC's 8-5 record compared to State's 6-7 record illustrated that we had the overall better team last season.  That is, by your logic, Wilson and Irving's injuries aren't excuses for State's losses because they still had guys who had played before.

No they aren't excuses, when

No they aren't excuses, when did I make an excuse for loosing 7 games. 95% of the reason we lost those games is because of them. We can agree that y'all had the better season the record shows it. What is the point of this post, I think you put it in the wrong place. There are no excuses in football, you lost by 31 points, no 1 player could help you overcome that margin. I never made excuses for the BC, FSU, and Maryland games, we barely lost those games fair and square. Do you want to play in a fantasy world where every game has every player healthy and at 100%?


You are right, no excuses in football, injuries are all a part of the game. However, since you pulled the fantasy world card, I would say, although few would agree with me, that Brandon Tate could have helped UNC overcome that margin. He was electric and a two touch down swing would have made it much closer.

Probably should

figure out the Facebook feed. Maybe Ovies can help me.



The Citadel? Uconn? Georgia Southern? Why not Elon College, Wake Tech, and St. Mary's?

The Georgia Southern game...

was a late replacement for home and home out west (Colorado, I believe) that BD saw no use in playing. I believe the McNeese St. game last season was part of the same issue. Something about not recruiting much out west. UConn won the Big East recently. UNC does have a home and home with Tennessee coming up, and they will play LSU in Atlanta next season ('10). Regardless, the ACC will be competition enough in the next couple of seasons. Just check out SEC teams to see what a strong in  conference schedule gets you OOC.


Gardner Webb and Murray State in back-to-back home games?  You guys are really stepping up to the plate in non-conference play.

One of those games replaced ECU

I don't think back to back 1-AA games was planned. The second happened because they didn't have any other options.

You're right

ECU insisted on playing State and Carolina, but refused to play both in the same year.  I was just calling the last guy out for making a comment that he couldn't back up.

easily backed up...

South Carolina



Let's see...

Pitt is no more legite than ECU.  South Carolina wasn't even that good last year and they've lost key players since then.  I would gladly play South Carolina over UConn or ECU.

Let's See

"I would gladly play South Carolina over UConn or ECU."

That's why you have no college football intellect whatsoever.



No college football intellect?

South Carolina and UConn were both 7-win teams last season.  South Carolina has lost its 3 top playmakers on EACH side of the ball.  They'll also have a new starting QB when they play you the FIRST game of the season.  For a team like State who knows exactly who is playing where, I think that's a gift-wrapped win.

ECU won their conference last year and is looking at what has the potential to be their best team in school history.  Unlike South Carolina, they have a proven QB.  They also have one of the best defensive linemen in the country in CJ Wilson, the type of playmaker that South Carolina completely lacks on defense.

Do your research before you advertise your ignorance.  Weren't you the one that said UNC's QB contraversy and the absence of Tate had nothing to do with State's win?  Even your buddy tjfoose said Carolina probably wins that game by 10 points if Tate and Yates had been healthy the whole season.

Yes none

UConn lost its ONLY player!!!! SC only had one playmaker, and he's back (Norwood), so your top 3 statement is way off. Garcia has played before dude, several games actually.

ECU won the Conf USA, that doesn't mean anything, are you really saying that CJ Wilson is more of a playmaker than the All-American Norwood? Are you really saying that?

Do your research about SC before you look bad. EVERYTHING has an affect on the game, I said that it is no excuse for your coach blowing that game by 31 POINTS! Well I don't know tjfool but he's not very bright, b/c Yates WAS healthy and he DID play and he DID suck, and TATE had been out for weeks, plenty of time for the coach to work around that. There are no excuses in football and you are making plenty of them. 

We will never know who wins if both teams are completely healthy and 100%, b/c no game in history has ever been played that way.

Dude, you know NOTHING

Dude, you know NOTHING about UConn.  They had a solid defense last year and return most of those guys.  Just because you only know one of their players doesn't mean he's the only good one.

The same case goes for South Carolina.  Norwood is their only player you've ever heard of.  See the post I made below with a list of playmakers that South Carolina has lost.

As far as CJ Wilson goes, with RJ Mattes blocking for State, I'd be more scared of CJ Wilson getting to my QB every play than Norwood single-handedly winning.


HAHA, 41 point swing?  I'm sure the N&O had the headline juuusst about ready... "UNC beats State 51-41: Tate and Yakes score 41 points!"

I guess if we can do it during basketball season, we should let UNC-CH fans play the "what if" game during football.  (At least wait for the season to start this year though.)

 But it is a good laugh, maybe keep 'em coming actually.  haha

East Carolina

would beat Pitt or USC this season.

East Carolina and UCant are a push to Pitt and USC IF you can get over the names.

now, I do not expect a few of you puppy fans to get over the names but that is ok.

wow, leave it to irrational

wow, leave it to irrational unc fans to consider uconn and ecu equal to pitt and south carolina. if ecu is better than sc, then why did state get pounded by sc 34-0, then come back a couple weeks later and beat ecu? trust me, everyone else would view uconn and ecu as cupcakes compared to sc and pitt. it's okay though, i don't expect some of you tarholes to understand that.

You lost 34-0 to South

You lost 34-0 to South Carolina with Wilson hurt.  You beat ECU with Wilson healthy.  Also, as I said before, South Carolina lost a lot of key players, while ECU returns their key players.  I hope your just biased.  Otherwise, your lack of knowledge is just a complete embarrassment to your university.  Take a lesson or two from JPDOhio.  He doesn't run his mouth about stuff he knows nothing about.

What key players?

What key players did SC loose? They still have the best LB in the SEC if not the nation, their WR are easily replacable, their QB now has a year of experience, and their defense is proably better than any in the ACC, plus they are bringing back a better RB than last season (no longer injured). UConn is still a mediocre Big East team (which makes them a terrible overall team) and ECU's defense is white and black. Pitt atleast has a consistent defense.

Key players

On defense:

Captain Munnerlyn, Emanuel Cook and Jasper Brinkley.  Part of the reason Norwood was so good was becaues Brinkley was an experienced LB who lightend his load.

On offense: Smelley (top passer), Davis (top rusher) and McKinley (top receiver).

In terms of key players, it would be like State having to make up for losing Wilson, Spencer and Morgan in addition to losing Brown, Irving and Gray.

Clearly you don't know SC

Norwood was their best player by far, and he's still there.

A) Smelley was terrible, he was benched last year for Garcia.

B) Davis was only the top rusher b/c their better rusher was injured last season, I thought his name was Baker. Ask any SC fan, Daivs was garbage, now they have their better RB back.

C) SC had no offense last year, they had no passing game, they have very very talented WRs coming in that will be able to replace their old WRs within a couple of games.

D) Smelley is no where near as irreplacable as Wilson. Brinkley is not the Irving of their team, clearly Norwood is. I already explained Davis. Your whole analogy is terrible, no further comment required.

It gives NC St an advantage to play them early, but it also gives us a disadvantage b/c NC St will still need time to work out their kinks due to injuries and lost players. SC's O-line is looking alot better which is why their offense was so bad last year, and their defense will still be top in the nation.

new comer

Garcia is terrible and is as immature as anyone in college football.  do not think for one second he will be your light in a dark tunnel this season.  he will most certainly fail.  zero backbone.

He's got more backbone than

He's got more backbone than a football player who gets injured playing Ultimate Frisbee... Don't think Butch is your light in th dark tunnel...


that is about the dumbest post i've seen here since bluecat last wrote something ... comparing Yates and Garcia.  unreal. 

I guess we can clasify Irving driving back to Raleigh at 3 or 4 am in the same light then!? 

still not convinced Irving had not been drinking and it was covered up.  and, yes, I would think the same thing if it was a Tarheel.  don't tell me you (any one of you) ahven't thought the same thing.

See "conspiracy theory" posted elsewhere

Too narrow to write here.

Wow, that's not off-topic at

Wow, that's not off-topic at all.  I'll play it any way.  First of all, Yates has proven to be a much better QB than Garcia.  Second of all, how many injuries did Wilson have last year?  I don't understand what all these State fans are getting at talking about our injury-prone QB when their own QB missed 1/4 of the season last year.


look in the mirror.  but, whatever.




4.) UCant


you even get both of your games at home while UNC gets their easier game on the road and hardest game at home.  if that is not a push, I simply do not know what is?

I know what your problem is and it is that you are grossly over rating USC.  your ego will be even more inflated when ncsu kicks the crap out of em. 


Conspiracy theory

Was drinking involved in Nate Irving's accident and was it covered up? Maybe if you assume the following:

1. Nate was stupid enough to drink too much before making a several hour trip back to Raleigh. (It's not like he was just going across town).

2. I assume he was treated on the scene by paramedics or similar medical professionals who would have noticed and reported potential intoxication. If for no other reason this would be relevant to his treatment.

3. Once he made it to the hospital, numerous diagnostic tests would be run, including, I assume, blood test. The seriousness of his injuries would warrant a complete examination and analysis to determine the safest and best course of treatment.

4. The cops investigating his accident filed a lesser charge while covering up the real reason for the accident at the behest of the corrupt NC State administration, who just can't handle another scandal at the moment.

5. And everyone who came in contact with Nate during this highly publicized tragedy has maintained complete silence about the real truth.

Hey, it could be true. Just like it may be true that Obama is really a closet conservative whose domestic policy is intended to use reverse psychology to destroy the Democratic Party and impose fiscal discipline on the federal government.

one thing is for sure

Barrack Hussein Obama "ain't" no Republican!

nobody has been able to track down his falsified birth certificate yet!  they will, though!!


I just thought one dumb response deserved another referring to Irving drinking and driving. 

But him being 21 wouldn't surprise me if he had some alcohol in his system if he does in fact drink.  People falling asleep at the wheel typically happens when a person has had alcohol in their system or pills in their system.  Just saying.

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Joe Giglio covers the ACC for the News & Observer, where he has worked since 1997.