• Summer Hoops Preview: The Picks
• Part I: UNC, BC, FSU
• Part II: Duke, Georgia Tech, Clemson
• Part III: Wake Forest, Maryland, Virginia
N.C. STATE
2008-09 record: 16-14 overall, 6-10 ACC (10th)
Postseason: none
Projected starting lineup: G Julius Mays, G C.J. Williams, F Richard Howell, F Dennis Horner, F Tracy Smith
Plus
• Addition by subtraction. With the exits of Brandon Costner, Ben McCauley and Courtney Fells, the last ties to former coach Herb Sendek are all but severed. Every coach deserves a chance to be judged by the talent he brings into a program and how he manages that talent. Sidney Lowe gets that chance this season, his fourth.
In his first three seasons, Lowe had to work with someone else's players, fit for a different system. Lowe no longer has to fulfill promises he didn't make on the recruiting trail. They're his players and they should be working from a common ground.
That's not to make Costner, McCauley or Fells out to be the scapegoats for Lowe's 15-33 ACC record, just that they were brought in under a different set of circumstances.
Clearly, after two inconsistent underachieving seasons, the Sendek Three and Lowe and were never on the same page. Yet their talent was such, particularly compared to what else was left in the program, that Lowe had little choice but to rely on Costner, McCauley and Fells for the start of his tenure. When Lowe did mix in his recruited talent (J.J Hickson in 2008), the results were disastrous.
From the jump on Year 4, those problems are behind Lowe.
• Tracy Smith. One of the biggest mistakes media-types make in projections is we forget to factor in improvement. For example (and bear with the UNC reference, State fans), but Ty Lawson and Wayne Ellington were miles better as juniors than they were as sophomores.
Players get older, they get more experience, they learn and they get better. We lose sight of that in college basketball because there are so many prospects that leave after one or two years or we downgrade the ones that stick around because of some bizarro NBA-potential stigma.
The point of that preamble is Tracy Smith is going to be a mile better as a junior. The power forward went from averaging 3.3 points as a freshman to 10.0 last year. In his third season, don't be surprised if Smith's numbers jump another seven points.
He's a no-nonsense player around the basket and he understands how to score points, either by attacking the rim or getting to the foul line (his 123 free-throw attempts were second on the team despite only starting 12 times and playing an average of 18.2 minutes per game.)
Minus
• Not enough new blood. The key to Lowe starting over in Year 4 was bringing in better talent. If Lorenzo Brown had qualified, Lowe would have had a new guard to go with two ACC-ready big men and a promising shooter.
With Brown's detour to prep school, Lowe's only bringing in the aforementioned big men — who either play the same position as each other or the best player on the roster — and a promising shooter who just went from being asked to specialize to possibly being asked to be both Scott Wood and Lorenzo Brown.
Lowe and Lee Fowler's expectation for the '09-'10 season is progress. That's code for "We don't expect to make the NCAA Tournament."
It would have been a lot more palatable for State fans to sit through a rebuilding season if Lowe was able to develop Brown, Richard Howell, DeShawn Painter and Wood together, won-loss record be damned, as a down payment on a future NCAA Tournament run.
Without Brown, Lowe's trying to start over with many of the same parts — Julius Mays, Javi Gonzalez, Smith, C.J. Williams — that he either mishandled or ignored for long stretches of last season. It's tough to sell a fan base on a restart when really the cards are being reshuffled in a transparent game of three-card monte.
• Defense. State ranked last in the ACC in steals and blocks. They have to create more turnovers to create more easy points to take the pressure off the point guards and the halfcourt offense.
Bottom line
If you've read the first three installments of the Summer Hoops Preview, you know that we've included Dave Telep's analysis on all of the incoming freshmen. Since Brown won't be here, I'll share Telep's scouting report on Brown — before he knew Brown would be going to Hargrave — in this space:
"Key to the season, in my opinion," Telep said. "If he can take care of the ball, be the scorer that he has shown he can and forge chemistry with the other guys in the backcourt then it will be a success. He has got the biggest expectations of maybe any freshman coming into the league."
That should give you an inkling to Brown's importance.
In a wide-open league, with a new start, maybe Lowe could have made a move this season. After all, that 6-10 record easily could have been 8-8 last season with the right breaks (or the proper officiating in the case of the loss at Virginia Tech). Throw in three major prospects in Brown, Howell and Painter and it's sunny-side up for the program.
But Brown's absence starts the re-start campaign with a kidney punch. Maybe Mays and Williams can grow as a productive backcourt. Maybe Wood and Gonzalez, who emerged as their best 3-point shooter, can relieve some of the pressure on Smith, whose staring at a season of zones and double-teams. Maybe Lowe will develop a rotation earlier in the season and get a better grip on his personnel.
If all of those scenarios break right, State still only maxes out at eight wins. The program needs a shot of life, and maybe the five remaining freshmen can add that, but it's impossible to lucidly predict anything but another bottom third finish for the Wolfpack with the way the season has effectively started.
| Returning players |
Yr. |
PPG |
RPG |
APG |
| F Tracy Smith | Jr. | 10.0 | 4.5 | 0.6 |
| G Javi Gonzalez | Jr. | 6.6 | 2.0 | 3.3 |
| F Dennis Horner | Sr. | 6.4 | 2.8 | 1.2 |
| G Farnold Degand | Sr. | 4.7 | 1.2 | 2.4 |
| G Julius Mays | So. | 4.7 | 1.3 | 1.9 |
| G C.J. Williams | So. | 3.7 | 1.2 | 0.7 |
| F Johnny Thomas | So. | 2.1 | 2.1 | 0.5 |
| Gone |
PPG |
RPG |
APG |
| F Brandon Costner | 13.3 | 6.0 | 2.4 |
| F Ben McCauley | 12.4 | 7.8 | 2.0 |
| G Courney Fells | 11.3 | 3.6 | 1.5 |
| G Trevor Ferguson | 5.5 | 1.8 | 1.6 |
| New |
Yr. |
Ht. |
Wt. |
Rank |
| F Richard Howell | Fr. | 6-7 | 215 | 64 |
| F DeShawn Painter | Fr. | 6-9 | 220 | 69 |
| G Scott Wood | Fr. | 6-6 | 170 | — |
| F Josh Davis | Fr. | 6-6 | 205 | — |
| F Jordan Vandenberg | Fr. | 7-0 | 230 | — |
Recruiting analysis by Dave Telep, scout.com:
Howell: "Blue collar special. Howell works hard for points inside and has shown enough perimeter to keep you honest. Pack will need him to be a man on the boards."
Painter: "Big expectations for him this kid who has fought hard to get to where he is. Long-bodied, can face to mid-range and has a great attitude."
Wood: "The better the Pack is, the better Wood will be. If he can get looks off the drive-and-kick, he'll make them count. He has got size and should he add a mid-range element that would be huge. He's a specialist with a high level stroke."
Davis: "A young man who wanted to wear the Red and White and will scrap. He's a program guy with super grades and is proud to play for Pack."
VIRGINIA TECH
2008-09 record: 19-15 overall, 7-9 ACC (eighth)
Postseason: 1-1, lost to Baylor in the second round of the NIT
Projected starting lineup: G Dorenzo Hudson, G Malcolm Delaney, F J.T. Thompson, F Jeff Allen, F Cadarian Raines
Plus
• Malcolm Delaney. For all the heat Seth Greenberg took for passing on Steph Curry, he found an acceptable alternative in Delaney.
Delaney has the rare ability to score predominantly from outside yet still get to the free-throw line. His 225 free-throw attempts were second-only to Tyler Hansbrough (249).
• Good coaching. Virginia Tech basketball was a clown show the first half of this decade, missing the Big East Tournament — not NCAA, but their own conference tournament — in the final three years under Ricky Stokes.
For Seth Greenberg to have won 38 games in his first five ACC seasons, with three seasons at .500 or above, is the equivalent of Duke's football team playing in three bowl games in five years.
Minus
• Momentum. As good as Delaney, Jeff Allen, A.D. Vassallo and Greenberg were last season, it wasn't enough to get the Hokies back to the NCAA Tournament. A fluke halfcourt shot by Xavier in the season-opener practically doomed their tournament bid before it started.
The season before the team came up just short of an NCAA bid, too, also due to some dubious early losses. Greenberg has the January and February parts down, he needs to be as good of a coach in November.
Instead of what should be a program coming off three straight years in the Tournament, the Hokies haven't been since '07, and have no momentum to show for what were relatively successful seasons.
• Help. Without Vassallo, the Hokies are a two-legged team in a four-horse race. A healthy J.T. Thompson should support Delaney and Allen but that still only brings the equation back to last year's not-good-enough level.
Maybe after an uninspired freshman season Victor Davila can chip in or one of the four freshmen will pan out, otherwise, this is a team that will only go as far as its two stars.
Bottom line
Greenberg has definitely outkicked his coverage before but the tax of missing the tournament the last two seasons is overdue.
Between Delaney and Allen, they can win another seven games, but even if the stars align, there's not enough talent in the program to push much further up the ACC ladder.
| Returning players |
Yr. |
PPG |
RPG |
APG |
| G Malcolm Delaney | Jr. | 18.1 | 4.0 | 4.5 |
| F Jeff Allen | Jr. | 13.7 | 8.4 | 1.3 |
| F J.T. Thompson | Jr. | 6.5 | 3.7 | 0.7 |
| G Dorenzo Hudson | Jr. | 4.6 | 1.9 | 1.1 |
| F Victor Davila | So. | 3.1 | 2.1 | 0.2 |
| F Terrell Bell | Jr. | 2.3 | 2.7 | 1.0 |
| F Lewis Witcher | Sr. | 2.0 | 1.4 | 0.0 |
| Gone | PPG |
RPG |
APG |
| F A.D. Vassallo | 19.1 | 6.2 | 2.6 |
| F Cheick Diakite | 3.8 | 3.9 | 0.2 |
| G Hank Thorns | 2.7 | 1.6 | 2.4 |
| New |
Yr. |
Ht. |
Wt. |
Rank |
| F Cadarian Raines | Fr. | 6-9 | 230 | 60 |
| G Erick Green | Fr. | 6-4 | 185 | — |
| G Ben Boggs | Fr. | 6-4 | 200 | — |
| F Manny Atkins | Fr. | 6-7 | 200 | — |
Recruiting analysis by Dave Telep, scout.com:
Raines: "So much improvement from season to season, I went out on a limb and ranked him high based on upside, late blooming status and immense physical/athletic ability. He is a go-to move away from impacting as a freshman. Loves to block shots."
Atkins: "A wing guy who has character and will find himself chipping it at SF and SG."
Green: "Tough to really figure him out at times but he has shown to be a team guy who has the ability to score. Can he distribute the ball in the ACC at a high level? That’s the question."
Boggs: "He'll be Tech's answer to former Clemson sniper Terrence Oglesby."
MIAMI
2008-09 record: 19-13 overall, 7-9 ACC (ninth)
Postseason: 1-1 lost to Florida in the second round of the NIT
Projected starting lineup: G Malcolm Grant, G James Dews, F DeQuan Jones, F Cyrus McGowan, F Dwayne Collins
Plus
• Athleticism. Frank Haith as an eye for talent. Dwayne Collins, DeQuan Jones and James Dews certainly all look the part, and at times, can also play the part.
Haith added another top 25 recruit in guard Durand Scott and top 75 recruit in forward Donnavan Kirk.
Minus
• No more Jack McClinton. Jack McClinton meant as much to his team as any player in the country. Consider the Canes won seven ACC games with McClinton. What will they do without him?
• More Frank Haith. He plays way too much zone for the talent he has. He changes lineups — early and often. He ignores his best post player for long stretches during both the course of an individual game and the season. He buried his best freshman on the bench.
The guy can recruit, and he's personable, but he completely mismanaged last year's team.
Bottom line
McClinton delayed the predicted flop for this program (picked last in '08) by two seasons. With just a little coaching, Miami would have been back in the NCAA Tournament last season.
Without McClinton and with a roster of players who have no clue what their roles are and/or spent the previous season trying to get Haith's attention, the Canes are in the path of a Category 5 disaster.
They have no home-court advantage and no hope of out-coaching anyone, even in a wide-open ACC that equals last place.
| Returning players |
Yr. |
PPG |
RPG |
APG |
| F Dwayne Collins | Sr. | 10.6 | 7.3 | 1.3 |
| G James Dews | Sr. | 8.2 | 2.7 | 1.3 |
| F Adrian Thomas | Sr. | 5.1 | 2.3 | 0.9 |
| F Cyrus McGowan | Sr. | 4.6 | 4.4 | 0.5 |
| F DeQuan Jones | So. | 2.7 | 1.7 | 0.5 |
| F Julian Gamble | So. | 2.4 | 2.5 | 0.3 |
| Gone |
PPG |
RPG |
APG |
| G Jack McClinton | 19.3 | 3.1 | 2.8 |
| F Brian Asbury | 8.0 | 5.0 | 1.2 |
| G Lance Hurdle | 7.3 | 1.6 | 2.9 |
| F Jimmy Graham | 4.0 | 5.9 | 0.6 |
| New |
Yr. |
Ht |
Wt |
Rank |
| G Malcolm Grant | So. | 6-1 | 185 | — |
| G Durand Scott | Fr. | 6-3 | 188 | 25 |
| F Donnavan Kirk | Fr. | 6-9 | 217 | 75 |
| G Antoine Allen | Fr. | 6-1 | 172 | — |
| G Garrius Adams | Fr. | 6-6 | 179 | — |
Recruiting analysis by Dave Telep, scout.com:
Scott: "To me, he's the best defensive guard to come into the league. His offense will come in spots but he's a winner."
Kirk: "The reason why I liked him so much was that he demonstrated an ability to get traffic rebounds and be a presence above the rim and on the glass."
Allen: "They love him for his Baltimore toughness and let's face it, Miami has killed it with late bloomers like McClinton in the past."
Adams: "Has all the tools to be a big scorer in time. He will need to adjust to playing at a high level each time out."
— By J.P. Giglio







Comments
kentucky
Sat, 07/25/2009 - 15:16 — bluecatt1highheels-20 did u ever hear of a team called ky. i think they have more of every thing compared to unc, like all time wins, ncaa championships, on and on , u need to take those baby blue glasses off and smell the roses, go duke!!!!!!!!!
That may have been
Sat, 07/25/2009 - 19:07 — Heels20the most random post you have ever made. Where did that come from? I'll address it any way. Kentucky has the best history of any program in all of college basketball. Period. That being said, we'll be passing them on the all-time wins list in the next couple years. We also haven't sunk to their level, as they just hired one of the dirtiest in the country. It's like Michigan football with Rodriguez...what will come first, the national championship or the probation? And before you go off on Roy buying gifts for his senior players (although it is a violation, I don't see how that is cheating), let me remind you ONCE AGAIN that the particular violation did NOT lead to probation.
I know you were able to bring up the one program in the country that has a better history than ours (okay, you can make an argument for UCLA), but what does the University of New Jersey at Durham have on us?
highheels-20-PMS
Sun, 07/26/2009 - 10:06 — bluecatt1i hate ky as much as u do, they cheat, unlike the lilly white team from unc, they have never cheated, but they have a coach now who was the head man at kansas, and when he left kansas was put on 3 years probation,but i am sure he didnt have anything to do with that, calipari has never been implicated in cheating --ol roy has end of story, go coach K and duke!
Please explain to me how Roy
Sun, 07/26/2009 - 10:43 — Heels20Please explain to me how Roy Williams cheated. Also, Calipari has been a part of much more serious allegations at both UMass and Memphis. By the way, ever find anything that Dook has on us?
The best coaches
Fri, 07/24/2009 - 06:41 — johnboy76122The best coaches seem to be those who were average players. Great players with a ton of natural talent have no idea how to tell someone how to do things on the court--they never had to think about it. That's the problem with Lowe--he just says "do this" and the poor mid-level recruit is left to try to figure it out on his own. Coach K and other great coaches tend to know the little tricks and secrets to getting the best results from not having a ton of natural ability. I don't think Lowe will ever get it and I give him a couple more years tops.
state recruiting and development
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 16:53 — jw12345has anyone noticed that Skinner at BC never gets a recruit that is in the top 100. Most, if ranked at all, at the the 200-300 range. yet he develops players and usually has a competitive team. Coach Lowe now has players that were ranked coming out of hs much higher than BC's players. How well are those player progressing in developing their skills and how well are those skills are being utilized in the offensive and defensive schemes used at State. I don't see much development. Tracy Smith is the one exception. David Noel was a walk on unrecruited by almost everyone as a basketball player. And while he hasn't made it in the NBA he was drafted in the second round. BC routinely has players not highly recruited out of hs drafted by the NBA. Who has Lowe developed that was not very highly recruited?
ok, we get it now, you didnt
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 14:34 — leernealok, we get it now, you didnt like herb sendek or his recruits. but his track record in getting to the big dance cant be argued and his success continues out at arizona state.
Herb's been gone almost 4 years, get over it already
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 17:38 — PackRollsI don't see anywhere that the author states he doesn't like Sendek or his recruits. Reading comprehension is a beautiful thing.
And you're right, Sendek's record of getting into the "big dance" can't be argued...for the record, that record is that in only 1 of his 10 seasons at NCSU did the Pack enter the home stretch before selection sunday comfortable (ie a lock to make the tourney and only playing for seeding down the stretch). In every other year they were either a)on the bubble needing imortant wins the final weekend of the regular season and/or the ACC Tourney (4 yrs) OR b) out of contention and praying to finish above .500 to make the NIT (4 yrs) OR c)so far out of contention that even the NIT was not a possibility.
Don't know about you but I think NCSU deserves better and can do better. Lowe might not be the answer (probably isn't, in fact) but Herbie sure wasn't either.
And you watch what happens with Herb at ASU. They had a great year last year by their standards, yes. But without Harden (and whoever else they lost, doesn't matter too much) you'll see Herb fall back into the pack (no pun intended) like he always does.
He's an average (at best) coach and he'll never have anything more than an average program at the D-1 level.
sendek
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 18:24 — leernealyou cant see where the author states where he doesnt like sendek or his recruits???? try the part that starts out with 'addition by subtraction", or didnt they offer that in reading comprehension?
now since we've established your reading creds, let me spell it out for you. HERB WILL BE AT ASU LONGER THAN LOWE LASTS AT NCSU. got it? good.
and if sendek is an average coach, what in the hell is lowe? who cares where they were a week from selection sunday??? no, YOU watch what happens in Raleigh. test your reading comp skills on this one: search committee.
you cant see where the
Fri, 07/24/2009 - 18:58 — PackRollsyou cant see where the author states where he doesnt like sendek or his recruits???? try the part that starts out with 'addition by subtraction", or didnt they offer that in reading comprehension?
If by "that" you mean making assumptions that are not based on what is actually said or written then, no, they did not offer that in reading comprehension (And thank you for establishing my reading creds. Is that anything like "street cred"?).
The "Addition by subtraction" phrase is often used. If you don't realize that it doesn't necessarily refer negatively to the individual(s), but rather how they fit the system or how they are used then I can't help you. Also, the phrase was used to refer to the 3 players, not Sendek himself, so please tell me again how this equates (in your mind) with the author hating Sendek (or his recruits).
Next, I fully agree that Sendek will be at ASU longer than Lowe will be at NCSU. Never said (or implied) otherwise, nor did I need you to "spell it out for" me. In fact, if you read my post you'll see that I said nothing positive about Lowe, nor did I offer any opinion on his length of stay, other than to imply that perhaps he was not the right man for the job (after stating emphatically that Herb was not...a statement I still stand by).
And since you asked so politely, if Sendek is an average coach, Lowe is a below average coach.
If you would like me to tell you my opinion (rather than for you to infer it from things I never even said) then I do not believe that Lowe is a very good coach, nor do I think that he will be around much longer. But that is a seperate issue from whether I think Herb should still be here or not...and in case you missed it, no, I do not.
I don't have to long for the "good ol' days" of mediocrity and average under Sendek in order for me to want the current below average coach to be relieved of his duties.
And again, since you asked so politely, I care where they are a week from selection sunday. And so do a lot of other folks. Getting in by the skin of your teeth is to be expected sometimes, but not all the time. Given our history, facilities, etc., NCSU deserves a coach that can consistently, though not always, have teams that are locks for the NCAA tourney long before the final weekend of the regular season or ACC tourney. Its not too much to ask.
Thats a big reason Sendek is gone, and it would be a big reason why Lowe is not here (God willing) this time next year except that he couldn't even achieve that.
just to be clear
Fri, 07/24/2009 - 06:45 — JamuncwJust to be clear, the "addition by subtraction" statement was in the plus column meaning it is a good thing those three are gone and I agree 100% with him. Also, even with the best player in the pac10 (harden) herb still finished 5 or 6th in the the pac-10 regular season standings, I believe and blew a big lead in the conference championship game and lost that. Most people would agree that the ACC is tougher than the pac10 and if Herb can not win that conference with its best player (by far), he was not going to win at ncsu with the players he was bringing in (mccauley, horner, etc) Look at the incoming freshmen classes for the coaches and Lowe's was much higher ranked than sendek (and is still higher ranked without brown).
Back to the article, I agree with most of what was said, but I doubt mays will be the starter over javi or degand, i think mays will see some playing time at sg and javi will start at point.
22 posts so far ...
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 14:28 — gvillegatrand I knew there wouldn't be a dam*ed thing in the posts that actually had to do w/ ncsu bball.
these threads get hijacked faster than whitey driving thru SE D.C.
love it!!
wow, you really are just
Sun, 07/26/2009 - 13:09 — mad_maxwow, you really are just stupid
it's amazing how you cut so
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 12:53 — leernealit's amazing how you cut so damn much slack for sidney lowe. this guy won 25% of his games in the NBA, has gotten the Pack to one (1) NIT in his 3 years but you keep begging everyone to give him a chance. then you start babbling about situations!? what about dino gaudio's situration at wake? you dont think there was some abnormal stress there when he took over?? then you hammer him with your no nothing comments. he's done more in one season then coach sid has in 3. but if you're right and lowe screws up this year, he's gone!
Does any one think
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 12:17 — Heels20that Sidney Lowe might be the problem? I don't know, maybe it's just me. He inherited a pretty good team and has averaged only 5 wins per year in three years. Inability to manage egos is an excuse for one year, but that should be taken care of at some point over a three year period. Here are a few things Sid has done wrong with NC State:
1. Brandon Costner. A 5-star recruit, known for his versatility coming out of high school. He could show explosiveness in driving, a solid post-up game and even a nice 3-point shot. However, all you had to do was watch him in his 3 years under Coach Lowe (he saw very few minutes under Sendek as he was held back by injuries) and you would think that he had never been disciplined in his life. You would have thought that eventually, Sid would take him to the gym, cement his feet right under the basket, and throw things at him until he promised to never take a 3-point shot until he was tough enough to play in the post. Instead, he played undisciplined basketball and was detrimental to the team, especially his last two years.
2. JJ Hickson. I don't need to go into detail for this one, as most of you are very familiar with the issues he brought to the team. I wonder how things could have gone if Lowe had benched him when he wasn't bringing his best every night. Ben McCauley and Tracy Smith bring their best every time they play, and it's scary to imagine how good State could have been down low if Hickson pushed himself as hard as the other guys.
3. Trevor Ferguson. The fact that he even saw the floor after the 06-07 season shows you how Sid puts too much time in developing the wrong players. Brian Keeter (Sendek era, anyone?) was even a better player than Ferguson.
4. Dennis Horner. Okay, it hurts to say this, but with this one, Sidney Lowe might want to go with.....I hate to say it...the Dook route. Put him at SG. It's tough to play in the post when your bench max is 90 lbs. The guy actually has a decent outside shot. Give him more minutes from behind the perimeter and that shot will become consistent. He is now a senior who has not improved in the least bit since he stepped on campus.
If you think about it, Tracy Smith might be Lowe's only player who has shown any significant improvement at all. I leave out Javi because his improvement is not significant, I'm still very happy that we get to face an NC State team with Javi Gonzalez at point for the next two years. NC State is in such a deep hole right now that even if they came to their senses and realized that Sidney Lowe is not right for the job, they couldn't upgrade. Nate McMillan doesn't have a college degree, so he couldn't take the job even if he wanted to. Vinny Del Negro could be the Rick Barnes of the next coaching search ("Thanks, but absolutely not."). The best option in my mind that is even the least bit realistic is Frank Haith. In all honesty, I would love to see NC State improve. In 10 years of the Sendek era, only 8 combined wins were produced against Carolina and Dook. 4 of those came against the worst Carolina basketball teams since before the Dean Smith era. Hopefully the Pack can find a way to become more competitive in the coming years.
Is Sid the problem?
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 13:41 — JPDOhioMaybe, maybe not. I think the next two years will answer that question definitively. On the other points:
1. Costner was a classic bust. As much fun as the Pack's run in the ACC tournament was, I think it inflated Costner's ego to an unhealthy level. A generous slice of humble pie would have really helped this kid. However, given his decision to take an early shot at the NBA, his head apparently is still in orbit over Planet Fantasy.
2. JJ Hickson's one year at State was clearly mismanaged by Sid. I believe the returning starters, fresh off that great ACC tourney, were miffed that JJ crashed their party. I think that caught Sid by surprise and he never effectively dealt with it. Throw in that other malcontent, Gavin "I'm done for the year" Grant, and you had a chemisty experiment gone very wrong.
3. Trevor Ferguson-no argument there. I like classic over-achievers, but Trevor made the right decision to move on.
4. I see Dennis Horner more as a 3 than a 2 or 4, but I thought he was fairly solid at the end of the year. If he is your star, you are in trouble. But he can be part of a rotation that gives the guys you are trying to develop a break during games.
5. Javi showed improvement last year too, but not as much as Tracy. Whether he can step it up and be consistent this year is a huge question mark. But I hope that he does succeed, because I admire the kid's toughness. He made it through some rough spots that would have destroyed many college athletes. Will he be a consistently solid performer this year? Don't know, but I hope so.
Clearly Biased
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:45 — morton20Considering the fact that NC State basketball finished in the bottom three of the ACC, clearly the N&O is biased in not reporting on its prospects for next year in the first segment. Why would you report on UNC, the LOCAL team with two national championships in the past five years, that is also ranked in the pre-season top 10 for next year before you reported on NC State, a team that has done absolutely nothing over the past decade and grows more and more irrelevant by the day?
When the N&O discusses bass fishing or whatever sports NC State won a national championship in, then clearly they should be mentioned first. When it comes to basketball, they deserve to be mentioned last or close to last, especially given the fact that they finished behind every other local ACC team and have for years.
Fair enough
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:03 — JPDOhioJP is pretty much on target with his analysis of the Pack. The "addition by subtraction" part of the analysis cannot be overstated. The McCauley, Costner and Fells anchor around Sid's neck is gone, which has to be a relief despite his public comments to the contrary.
For State to finish higher than 10th, several things have to happen:
1. The trio of Mays, Gonzalez and Williams have perform consistently well from start to finish. We saw flashes of excellence from each of them last year. If we can get that all the time, Sid will have a nice guard rotation to work with.
2. Painter and Howell have to grow up fast. That would take the pressure off of Tracy Smith, who can be a force but not if he is triple-teamed with impunity. A front-court rotation of those three with Dennis Horner moving between the 3 and 4 positions can give Sid some interesting options depending on who the opponent is and how they match up.
3. Scott Wood, Javi Gonzalez and others (CJ Williams?) have to provide consistent perimeter shooting. Julius Mays is in this mix, as he has one of the smoothest and dependable shots on the team. Success here will open up the inside to let the big guys work. Tracy Smith can and will score, but not if defenses can collapse on him without being punished.
4. Defend with abandon, all the time. In other words, do the exact opposite of what Costner did for 3 years. (Sorry, had to get that one shot in there for posterity.)
This team is too young and inexperienced to do better than .500 in the ACC. But there is talent on this team. If they learn to play smart, aggressive, team-oriented basketball, they may surprise. In any event, they will get support from State fans if they bring maximum effort and improve as the season goes on.
For that reason, I don't think this is a make or break year for Sid. If his team is competitive and improves as the season goes on, the pending arrival of Brown and Harrow should keep the vultures at bay. If he can convince Leslie to renew his commitment, that would pretty much seal his deal. You could even see a contender in 2010-11. (Hey, we can dream, can't we?)
Recruiting
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:45 — SurferNice post as usual JPD. I do think that State will surprise a few people this year with wins unanticipated. I do like Sid and what he brings to the table, but until he is able to bring in and retain for 3 years or so, the high quality athletes it will probably continue to be a struggle to make a deep run in the NCAA tournament. The guys he is bringing in are good, but I am talking JJ types who stay longer.
Deep run?
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 13:55 — melvinfurdBefore State makes a "deep run in the NCAA tournament" they have to actually get to the NCAA tournament. I think it's going to be a long time before we see the Pack making that deep run . . . and I doubt Sidney will be at the helm when that happens.
Agree x 2
Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:25 — SurferAgree. Agree. And you are probably right on the third point as well. Although not a Pack fan, I liked Herb, in his clean program kind of way, and yet I like Sid too. At times he seems to be a deer in the headlights, but he seems to bring a little excitement to the team.
RE: Recruiting
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 13:06 — JPDOhioAlthough he was unsuccessful, Sid had legit shots at Wall, Favors and Cousins, who I'm guessing you would agree are "JJ tyupes". Harrow and Brown look like strong recruits for the next class. If Sid can add Leslie to the mix, we are getting there.
Close
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 14:17 — SurferYes, they are "JJ types", but my caveat was JJ types that "stay longer", which I am not sure would apply to those three. The situation he needs is like when Lawson, Ellington and Green decided to return, then Sid could produce some significant improvement.
Tall order
Fri, 07/24/2009 - 08:16 — JPDOhioNo pun intended.
No doubt it would be great to keep those guys for longer than one year, but I think you need a special set of circumstances to make it work. (Like a shot at winning a national championship). So, until Sid can field a team capable of challenging for an NCAA title (cue the snickers and outright belly laughs), he will have recruit players who are highly rated, but not likely to be one-and-doners. That's what he has coming in now, so I think he's on the right track.
I'm not a huge fan of one-and-doners anyway, because I think the disruption they cause coming and going outweighs the benefits. The only exception would be if a player was the last piece of the puzzle to complete a team contending for a championship.
Agree
Fri, 07/24/2009 - 11:28 — SurferAn example being Marvin Williams, although I don't think he came in as an expected one and done, it just worked out that way.
"I also think this article
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 09:03 — dougidiotsavant"I also think this article shows the overwhelming influence UNC has on reporting (they ARE the university with the school of journalism): UNC gets discussed in part I and NC State has to wait until Part IV????"
Where did JP go to school?
NC State Alum
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:36 — SurferJP saved the "best" for last. He is an NC State Alum.
Picked in bottom 3 = included in part 4
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 10:57 — RonBShould NC State be picked 10th? Who knows.
There are no known quantities other than Smith, surrounded by a ton of "maybe"s. That might be good for other conferences, but not the ACC.
As last year showed, the league's officiating has already chalked up at leaste one loss for the Pack against a team they would otherwise defeat, so finishing above .500 is going to be a struggle.
As a Technician alum, I don't have to question where Joe went to college.
That is why being a state
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 09:01 — dougidiotsavantThat is why being a state fan is so hard.
"Not to mention that NCSU has national champions in three sports this year."
where are we in the sears cup?
3 sports?
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:28 — SurferJust curious, I know one was bass fishing, what were the other two sports?
Golf, diving, wrestling
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:43 — JPDOhioMust have been runners-up in bass fishing.
Make it 4 then
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:49 — SurferState won the 2009 Under Armour College Bass National Championship.
NCSU National Champions
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:48 — morton20Why on earth would winning individual national championships in golf, diving, and wrestling merit discussing NC State ahead of the reigning national champion in basketball in a basketball article?
To clarify
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:45 — JPDOhioNot the type of diving Greg Paulus is noted for.
I agree with what you say
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 06:52 — PuddentainI agree with what you say about Tracey Smith, but I think you are selling Mays short for the same reasons you criticize when touting Smith.
I also think this article shows the overwhelming influence UNC has on reporting (they ARE the university with the school of journalistm): UNC gets discussed in part I and NC State has to wait until Part IV????
Of course...they have to be
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 07:19 — WNCMikeOf course...they have to be biased. There's no way that UNC's National Championships or records etc. could have anything to do with it....lol. And don't even mention the fact that Roy won National Championships with Matt's players AND his own (I thought that's what a coach was suppose to do). While you're at it, don't you think there was another gunman on the Grassy Knoll?
@WNCMike - "There's no way
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 08:19 — Puddentain@WNCMike - "There's no way that UNC's National Championships or records etc. could have anything to do with it."
Probably not. You don't see a lot of press in the N&O about LSU, Florida, UCLA, Boston University, UC-Irvine, Nebraska, Northwestern, etc., so having national championships don't seem to have anything to do with what gets reported.
Not to mention that NCSU has national champions in three sports this year.
Puddentain, I'm a Pack fan
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 17:56 — PackRollsPuddentain, I'm a Pack fan too, but you gotta know yer not going to win this argument.
Individual Nat'l Champs in other sports have no bearing on a pre-season bball write up. Besides, the write up was structured 1st level, 2nd level, etc. Makes sense to me to structure it that way. And you sure can't argue with NCSU being in the bottom 3...absofrickinlutely no reason to put them anywhere else. Same with Carolina in the top 3.
Not to mention that even if it was going on merit (recent success)that again Carolina would have to be at the top and NCSU near the bottom.
I agree that sometimes I do see a bias regarding media coverage of UNC vs NCSU, but in this case its a hard argument to make.
EDIT: forgot to mention...don't underestimate the role that the NCSU SID plays in that perceived bias. Possibly the worst SID of any D-1 school in any conference.
Puddentain
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 11:49 — Heels20The N&O won't talk about those in a basketball article because UCLA is the only team that you could even argue has a greater history than Carolina in basketball. Considering UCLA is 3000 miles away and UNC is in the triangle, that should give you an answer as to why we're receiving publicity.
And I know State had national champions in golf and wrestling, but I'm not sure what the 3rd one is. I'm sure the N&O will cover that as soon in their pre-season NCAA Golf special.