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Summer Hoops Preview: Part I

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Part I: UNC, Duke, Wake

Part II: Clemson, Miami, Va. Tech

Part III: Ga. Tech, BC, Maryland

Part IV: N.C. State, FSU, UVa 

The ACC lost one underclassman to the NBA Draft. That's the fewest since the parade of juniors started to leave the college ranks 25 years ago.

Theoretically, that means the ACC is poised for a great season with, at the very least, a chance to send more than four teams to the NCAA Tournament, which it did in 2008 despite being the No. 1-rated conference by the RPI.

The league will certainly have a national power to fly the flag in UNC, the prohibitive favorite to win the national title in Detroit on April 6, 2009. And the face of college basketball in UNC senior Tyler Hansbrough, who'll become the conference's all-time leading scorer and UNC's leading rebounder before the tournament begins.

But will there be depth behind the Tar Heels? Can Duke recover from another March swoon? Will Miami and Virginia Tech take the next step? Will Wake balance the combustible egos of 18- and 19-year-olds — and handle the weight of expectations — better than N.C. State did in 2008?

We have five months to wait for the answers to those questions. We kickoff the Summer Hoops Preview today with UNC, Duke and Wake Forest.

Dave Telep of Scout.com provides analysis of the incoming freshman.

TUDOR'S PICKS GIGLIO'S PICKS
1. UNC 1. UNC
2. Duke 2. Duke
3. Wake 3. Wake
4. Va. Tech 4. Clemson
5. Miami 5. Miami
6. Clemson 6. Va. Tech
7. Boston College 7. Ga. Tech
8. N.C. State 8. Boston College
9. Ga. Tech 9. Maryland
10. Maryland 10. N.C. State
11. FSU 11. FSU
12. Virginia 12. Virginia

 

 

UNC


2007-08 record:
36-3, 14-2 ACC (first)

Postseason: NCAA Tournament (4-1), Final Four, lost to Kansas 84-66

Projected starting lineup: G Ty Lawson, G Wayne Ellington, F Marcus Ginyard, F Deon Thompson, F Tyler Hansbrough

New additions: F Ed Davis, F Tyler Zeller, G Larry Drew, G Justin Watts

Dave Telep's recruiting analysis: "Davis is a smaller, post player with a big motor and great instincts around the rim. He really runs the floor. ... Zeller is a face-up forward and he probably runs the floor better than any other post player in the Class of 2008. Both Davis and Zeller fit exactly what Roy Williams wants to do on the break. ... Drew's solid. He can make an open shot but mostly, he gets the right guy the basketball. He's different than Ty Lawson or Raymond Felton in that he enables other players, as opposed to being a star. ... Watts is an excellent student and a great kid but it's an uphill battle for him to become a mainstream ACC player."

Outlook: The Tar Heels could have won the ACC without Lawson, Ellington and/or Green. With all three back, plus Hansbrough — who'll finish his senior season as the all-time leading scorer in UNC and ACC history — the question becomes will UNC run the table in the ACC?

At 14-2, the Heels came pretty close last season. A year older, wiser and with the addition of three McDonald's All-Americans, perfection — at least in the conference — is not out of the question.

The ACC hasn't been the problem for the Heels in the past two years, as they've won the conference title each time and finished first during the regular season. What has been a problem is beating elite teams in the NCAA Tournament. Georgetown got them in the Round of Eight in 2007 and Kansas in the Final Four in April.

Louisville was a nice team, but limited so UNC wasn't pushed in the NCAA Tournament until it met Kansas, and the Heels weakly pushed back. Once the Heels cleared all the pre-grame Ol' Roy-KU hype, they were completely unprepared for the bigger, faster, stronger, deeper Jayhawks.

The addition of Davis and Zeller should add reinforcements to this year's team. That's if both players can contribute in the roles they'll be assigned — i.e. off the bench and not the star for the first time in their basketball existence. Given Williams' preferred pace, and the fact that they were recruited to fit specific roles — kinda like every Williams' team has the same parts — that should be a minor problem.

The bigger problem— if you want to call not winning the national championship a problem — that will have to be amended if Williams is going to win his second title is finding the balance between offense and defense.

Ellington's a limited defensive player. Ginyard's a limited offensive player. Williams prefers to play both at the same time, his own yin-yang version of basketball.

But, when Ellington's on the floor without Green — or Bobby Frasor if he can stay healthy for the first time since his freshman season — then he's the only viable perimeter shooting threat. Title teams need more than one outside option (they usually have three).

Lawson, who was awful against Kansas, hasn't been a consistent second choice. Unless he develops that part of his game, Williams is going to need both Ellington and Green on the floor at the same time.

And both need to be hitting their shots for UNC to clear the final hurdle. That means something will have to give, likely Ginyard's minutes (but only in those big games).

That's a lot of words with only a drive-by mention of the national player of the year and that's because Psycho T's not a concern. He's a given. Write in his 24 points and 12 rebounds for every game. It's what everyone else around him does that will determine if UNC's just another Final Four team— not a bad tag, by the way — or championship gold.

RETURNING PLAYERS Yr. PPG RPG APG
G Ty Lawson Jr. 12.7 2.7 5.2
G Wayne Ellington Jr. 16.6 4.5 2.0
F Marcus Ginyard Sr. 6.9 4.5 2.2
F Deon Thompson Jr. 8.4 4.8 1.1
F Tyler Hansbrough Sr. 22.6 10.2 0.9
G/F Danny Green Sr. 11.5 4.9 2.0
G Bobby Frasor Sr. 3.2 1.8 2.1
F Will Graves So. 2.2 1.4 0.3
F Mike Copeland Sr. 1.2 0.8 0.
GONE PPG RPG APG
G Quentin Thomas 3.1 1.4 3.1
F Alex Stepheson (transfer) 4.3 4.5 0.2
NEW Yr. Ht Wt Rank
F Ed Davis Fr. 6-8 215 10
F Tyler Zeller Fr. 6-11 220 21
G Larry Drew Fr. 6-0 170 67
G Justin Watts Fr. 6-4 185 NR

DUKE

2007-08 record: 28-6, 13-3 ACC (second)

Postseason: NCAA Tournament (1-1), Second Round, lost to West Virginia 73-67

Projected starting lineup: G Greg Paulus, G Jon Scheyer, F Gerald Henderson, F Kyle Singler, F Brian Zoubek

New additions: G Elliot Williams, F Miles Plumlee, F Olek Czyz

Dave Telep's recruiting analysis: "Plumlee and Czyz are not traditional post players. Czyz is really a leaper and an athlete. Plumlee has developed his perimeter game so he can play at the rim and he can face and shoot. He's going to be a good college baskeball player. ... Williams has a herky-jerky game. He's unorthodox but he's a perfect fit for Duke because you don't have to tag him with a position."

Outlook: A 2-3 finish soured what was otherwise a superb season for Duke. The Blue Devils jumped from 8-8 to 13-3 in the ACC and reinvented their program with the help of Mike Krzyzewski's USA Basketball connections.

The Devils spread the floor, shot 3-pointers and took advantage of perimeter mismatches to attack the rim and create points. They rode that combination to a 10-0 ACC start, including a 89-78 win at UNC.

But as the 3s stopped falling, and Kyle Singler's frame got stretched too thin, Duke's season fell apart. The Devils almost lost in a 2-vs.-15 NCAA opener to Belmont, eliminating the scrappy Bruins in the final seconds.

West Virginia ended Duke's season two days later in DC in a game typical of Duke's losses. The Devils shot 22 percent (5 of 22) from 3 against WVU. In the ACC Tournament semifinals, a 6-of-26 performance doomed them against Clemson.

I wrote last summer, Duke could be a lot like Herb Sendek's last N.C. State team. When they hit 3s, look out. When they miss 3s, look out — for rebounds.

Duke's season peaked with a 13-of-29 3-point barrage at the Smith Center on Feb. 6. The Devils looked like the real deal that night but it was a mirage.

They have to find a way to diversify their offense this season — more drives from Henderson, a post game from Brian Zoubek, Lance Thomas or Miles Plumlee — some way to consistently add some 2s to all the 3s.

Coach K managed the minutes of his guards, or everyone but Singler, adeptly. That was the freshest Duke's starters looked in March since 1999 because K used more than six or seven players.

The problem was there was no relief for Singler, who reprised the J.J. Redick/Chris Carrawell/Jason Williams rock-til-you-drop role. Singler, who admirably played out of position the whole season, finally dropped before the second Carolina game.

Employing the same Phoenix Suns' strategy — with Gerald Henderson emerging as an even bigger offensive force — Duke can win 12 or 13 ACC games again this season. Can Zoubek stay healthy or will freshman Plumlee or Czyz offer any relief for Singler?

That's the first step in Duke's recovery and back into the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament. The second step is their perimeter defense. As long as Greg Paulus and Jon Scheyer are starting, teams are going to be able to take them off the dribble, especially athletic teams. Especially teams that Duke will see in March.

How do you fix that? More minutes for Nolan Smith, who'll be a sophomore and presumably healthy. Maybe freshman Elliot Williams will be an upgrade.

Either way, Duke's been lapped by UNC since the Blue Devils' last trip to the Final Four in 2004. At the rate Roy Williams is recruiting — and Coach K is missing on marquee recruits — that trend doesn't show any signs of letting up, which is the worst possible news in the world to a Duke fan.

Returning players Yr. PPG RPG
APG
G Greg Paulus Sr. 11.4 2.1 3.2
G Jon Scheyer Jr. 11.7 3.9 2.4
F Gerald Henderson Jr. 12.7 4.7 1.6
F Kyle Singler So. 13.1 5.8 1.4
F Lance Thomas Jr. 4.2 3.3 0.3
F Brian Zoubek Jr. 3.8 3.4 0.5
F David McClure Sr. 1.0 1.9 0.4
G Nolan Smith So. 5.9 1.5 1.3
G Marty Pocius Jr. 4.0 2.2 1.0
GONE PPG
RPG
APG
F DeMarcus Nelson 14.5 5.8 2.9
F Taylor King 5.5 2.0 0.4
NEW Yr.
Ht
Wt
Rank
G Elliot Williams Fr. 6-4 170 16
F Miles Plumlee Fr. 6-10 225 40
F Olek Czyz Fr. 6-7 235 92

WAKE FOREST

2007-08 record: 17-13, 7-9 ACC (eighth)

Postseason: None

Projected starting lineup: G Ish Smith, G Jeff Teague, F Al-Farouq Aminu, F James Johnson, F Chas McFarland

New additions: F Al-Farouq Aminu, F Ty Walker, F Tony Woods

Dave Telep's recruiting analysis: "Aminu has as high as a ceiling as anyone in the league. What will he do consistently? He has flashes of brilliance but he has to put a polish on his game. He has the skills of a 3 but the size of a 4. ... Walker needs to get stronger and get tougher. He has unlimited natural tools but he needs to develop his offensive games. On defense, he brings immediate help with his ability to block shots. ... Woods is the perfect No. 2 post guy — he can hunt the dunk, run the floor and rebound."

Outlook: Wake's loaded. Period. The parts are there, with more coming in this strong freshmen class, to challenge Duke and even UNC.

We all said the same thing about N.C. State last season. Of course, N.C. State went 15-16 and finished last in the ACC. That's not going to happen to Wake this season but there are some similarities.

To wit:

• Wake added freshmen post players who could help immediately, like State did with J.J. Hickson, and could potentially reduce the production of the returning players.

• Little was expected of Wake last season, like State in 2007, and they overachieved. The expectations will be considerable this season.

• Coach Dino Gaudio, like Sidney Lowe, is in his second ACC season.

And the differences:

• State didn't have a point guard like Ish Smith.

• State didn't have a perimeter scorer like Jeff Teague, who was outright spectacular for stretches of the ACC season.

If Gaudio can fit all the right pieces together — what does he do with small forwards L.D. Williams, James Johnson and Al-Farouq Aminu — and Wake can learn from last season's disappointing finish (they played their way out of the NCAA Tournament after beating Duke) then the Deacs can return to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since Chris Paul left.

If not, if the minutes can't be solved, egos are bruised and expectations are too much to handle, it can go downhill quickly as State learned last season.

With Teague and Johnson, a collapse seems unlikely. Maybe I should have learned from last year's preview but I'm picking Wake to finish in front of the more experienced Miami and Virginia Tech teams.

RETURNING PLAYERS Yr.
PPG
RPG
APG
G Ish Smith Jr. 8.6 3.4 4.7
G Jeff Teague So. 13.9 2.7 2.5
F James Johnson So. 14.6 8.1 1.2
F L.D. Williams Jr. 8.9 3.8 1.1
G Harvey Hale Sr. 8.1 2.1 0.9
F Chas McFarland Jr. 8.4 5.8 0.4
F Jamie Skeen Jr. 5.6 4.1 0.5
F David Weaver Jr. 2.7 2.6 0.3
G Gary Clark So. 2.6 0.8 0.4
GONE PPG
RPG
APG
F Cameron Stanley 1.0 1.3 0.2
NEW Yr.
Ht
Wt
Rank
F Al-Farouq Aminu Fr. 6-8 195 13
F Ty Walker Fr. 7-0 220 25
F Tony Woods Fr. 6-10 230 47

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Dookies will cry again....

Not only is this Carolina team going to run the table, but they will seriously push Indiana's 1974 undefeated season. This team is better than every other team in the Top 10. If you made an all star team of the other ACC teams and put the best players together, they still couldn't beat Carolina.

By the way Dookies, do you know that Hansbrough, Green, and Ginyard will be 4-0 at Cameron indoor after this year? They should play every game at Dook. They never lose!!! Coach Pollock's got to hate that!

CAROLINAKANSAS (one word)

I AM A DIE HARD DUKE FAN AND I KNOW TALENT WHEN I SEE IT. YES, CAROLINA SHOULD HAVE A GREAT TEAM BUT THEIR DOWNFALL WILL ONCE AGAIN BE ROY WILLIAMS. UNTIL HE GET HIS HEART INTO CAROLINA BASKETBALL AND AWAY FROM KANSAS BASKETBALL THE PROGRAM WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ITS SHORT COMINGS AND DUKE WILL BE THERE TO PICK UP THE PIECES. NEVER IN HISTORY HAS A COACH BEEN ABLE TO COACH 2 DIV1 TEAMS AT THE SAME TIME! THERE IS EVIDENCE OF THIS. CHECK THE O8 FINAL FOUR AND POST GAME CHAMPIONSHIP. GO DUKE!

Bottom line...what have you

Bottom line...what have you done for me lately? Carolina 2 ACC Championships in 2 yrs and 2 great runs in the NCAA Tourney or better yet lasting longer in the tourney.
Duke...nail biters 2 yrs to sub standard programs then out like the trash. SUCKIT DOOK!

Wake is a great young team

Wake is a great young team that is on the rise. With the #1 recruiting class in the country (Yes better than Carolina AND Duke) they will be a top team in the ACC for years to come. GO DEACS!!!!!!!!!!

duke still can't win

Duke fans please stop being haters.Nothing could be finer than to be at Carolina.That is why the guys came back.They want to show the Dukies that their haterade will not stop them from accomplishing their mission.They want a ring and to show Kansas that their win was a fluke.

ACC

There is one problem with the above responses. Most of the respondents seem to think the basketball universe is the ACC. Preseason basketball (yes-everything leading to the Big Dance is preseason) ends with the ACC tournament. Last year, even with the RPI ratings, there were just four ACC teams in the tournament. Except for UNC, the other three invited teams including Duke could have been replaced by three NIT teams and the NCAA tournament would not have suffered. Remember Clemson, the ACC tournament finalist, being eliminated in the first round of the NCAA tournament. When you saw what happened to the ACC schools in the early rounds, it was not surprising what Kansas did to UNC. The big question should be not who wins the ACC but whether the ACC will be competitive in the NCAA tournament. Why have the last two years ended with the ACC looking no better than the Big East and not as competitive as the SEC, Pac 10, or Big 12? Comparing ACC schools with schools in these conferences makes more sense than ranking UNC and Duke ahead of NC State and Virginia.

What!?

I'm sorry, but you're talking our of your ass, Jints1. The ACC is historically the most competitive basketball conference. Since 1980? 8 national champions. That's 8 out of 28. An ACC team has won the tournament nearly 30 percent of the time.

Excuse me, Jinks, but can

Excuse me, Jinks, but can you tell me what conference you represent? It's crazy for you to state what you think are shanks in the side of the ACC, but can you tell me historically who has a better conference. Just like every conference, there is a period where the strength declines. The 80's,90's and 2000's have produced multipe National Championships. Can your conference come close?

UNC WILL CHOKE NEXT SEASON,

UNC WILL CHOKE NEXT SEASON, THEIR BANDWAGON FANS WILL ALL CRY LIKE NORMAL. DUKE WILL TAKE THEM BOTH GAMES NEXT SEASON. I HATE UNC AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE TARHOLES....GO DUKE!

unc will choke

better ro be there and choke than be home taking inventory like you haters do recently.  Why the hatred?  No need to be so insecure and such a sorehead guy.  Get a life!  Grow up and pull for thhe

heelsThis is North Carolina--your home state, I'm sure or are you from Jersey?

Blah-blah-blah

Don't you have a cheer sheet you need to go create?  Doorknob.

Have fun with the Speedo Guy making obscene gestures on national TV, loser.

To UNC fans....please keep

To UNC fans....please keep up the arrogance and ignorance..this we love. Remember, Kansas, home of Carolina basketball. The Jayhawks revealed painfully so for you guys the lack of athleticism first, and total lack of defense. It was there for all to see, except UNC fans who are blinded by their arrogance...and also by their jealousy and hatred for all things DUKE. You have a good program( not counting the period of 8-20 and no 20 win seasons...oh, and two years of no NCAA ball) no question. But let's have Roy(a great recruiter and good coach) win with HIS players and then we can have a discussion on his place in college basketball greatness. You win on the court, not on paper. It's good to be optimistic...but not obnoxious. But then that is as much a tradition for UNC as making excuses for losses. A UNC fan just the other day told me DUKE might have a chance to beat UNC since the Big Three were leaving. I reminded this ignorant UNC fan that if I recall correctly Duke beat UNC this past season. UNC has talent, but don't they every year...and yes DUKE does too. Let's remember the lessons of 94 when your "can't miss national Champs" Heels folded to BC...with Sheed(you know Sheed, the man who said recently "we aint no punks") launching a three from the corner as time expired. Remember my 99 Duke team, the one that crushed everyone it played, the 19-0 run through the ACC. They fell to UCONN, the team everyone forgot had spent the other weeks at the top when Duke wasn't there. So plan your party now...but know that it's just as likely a mourning as a celebration.....

Dook beat UNC in Feb. w/ UNC's third-string PG starting...

Quintin Thomas is no Ty Lawson, nor is he even Bobby Frasor.

Nice pot call on Carolina fans being arrogant - this from a Dook fan who like the other Dook lemmings probably likes to say "You're just jealous" (a truly laughable response, by the way) when anyone says anything negative about their holier than thou program.

Let us know the next time Dook makes it to the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament.  Thanks.

Sad but true...

when is NC State going to finally make the move to D II?

^Exactly. It makes me sick

^Exactly. It makes me sick to see the "they love UNC so they came back." That is insane. They were not high enough draft picks so they came back. Green and Ellington were not 1st round material, and they knew it. Had they been picked to go higher they would have been out the door.

Face it, it;s not love for the school, it is love for the $ that they were waiting on.

ARE YOU KIDDING

ARE YOU KIDDING? IT'S JUST STUPID TO NOT DO RESEARCH AND TRY TO GET A HEADS UP ON WHAT YOU WANT AS YOUR CAREER. THESE GUYS WILL BE BACK IN CHAPEL HILL FINISHING THERE DEGREES. THEY'LL BE BACK EVERY SUMMER PLAYING BALL AND JUST HANGING OUT. ALL OF THEM. SORRY YOUR PLAYERS ARE NEVER HEARD FROM ON CAMPUS AGAIN. THE PLACE IS JUST SPECIAL AND WE KNOW IT.

Okay now I know you are

Okay now I know you are a walmart fan, because with a liberal arts degree from unc you would know that it is "their" degree and not "there".

 Now, do you honestly think that if lawson could go pro after next season that he will still come back and get his degree and stay for his senior year?  Remember, he will only be a junior.  No way he is back for his senior year if he can go pro.  It is a great school, but they didn't come back for an education.

 

 

In response to the NCSU (Im

In response to the NCSU (Im sure) poster above. Its a no-brainer they came back because of their draft status. However, because of their love for UNC, and to further live the dream of playing for UNC, they end up with a win-win situation, wouldnt you say?
Now you look at JJ Hickson, who only used NCSU as a stepping stone to the NBA, only because NCSU is in the ACC. Really think he would have chosen NC State and its joke of a program, if he felt he'd be in college more than 1 or 2 years? Hes projected to go late 1st round or early 2nd, and he stays in draft??? Ya think maybe, his decision dwells on not ever wanting to see anything or anyone that associated with NC freakin State..ever again???
That mans mind was made up, 3 games into the season, after realizing what kinda mess he got himself into.

NCState hater

you irked me.

 First, your response diplays why people do not like UNC fans. When they are a great team, they find a way to put down everyone else. When they are bad/decent, the fans disappear.

 Second, JJ knew what he was doing. He knew we had an inexperienced PG, whose backup was a true fresh.  Didnt know starter would get hurt.  Knew he had NBA potential.  Didnt know if it would happen this year. Knew he'd get lots of minutes. Didnt know he'd be starting over players imbroiled in drama. Did know he felt close to Lowe and what he's building in Raleigh.  Didnt know Lowe needs time to get a feel for today's college kid after over a decade in the NBA.  JJ worked like an NBA player and got treated fairly as such.

 Great job snaking a great coach from a great school. I hope your program continues to be solid. Just please, stop the hate. you look bad.

Props

totally agree with everything this guy just said

ACC Basketball

A Final Four appearance is not a choke. Having a roster full of McDonald's All-Americans and losing to VCU and escaping Belmont, both in the first round of the NCAA tournament, clearly is.

Regarding next season, it's going to be tough and competitive. Wake Forest is young and on the rise, Duke is wounded and wants to re-assert itself, Clemson's fortunes have risen, Miami will be better, and Seth Davis, albeit enigmatically, has given the Hokies (or is it the Gobblers?) hope. At the end of the day, though, it still comes down to Carolina and Duke.

You are truly a yutz....

I'm going to go out on a limb......please you dumb arse sh!theel fan!! Your team is going to be good and there is no doubt about it, but your boy Hansbrough was called out in the tournament by the refs when he started playing like Shaq used to and trying to mow down offensive players.

I see another disappointing year for the wine and cheese crowd at the great quonsonet in Chapel Hole. I really hope you make it to another FF and get dropped on your heads!!

Wow after this vent I feel better. God bless you all even you ding arse S-Heel fans!!!

ACC Basketball

I graduated from Carolina and am a die-hard UNC fan!!!! I'll go ahead and go out on a limb (not much of one I think)and predict that,barring injuries, UNC ends the 2009 basketball season as national champs. I don't expect all the games to be easy but with the returning talent and experience and the incoming talent and with Roy Williams as coach I expect them to correct their mistakes and hit the target this time. My only regret is seeing Phil Fords scoring record broken. But Tyler Hansborough is a work-horse and he deserves all the accolades he has received!

Larry Deatherage

unc has been almost given

unc has been almost given the national championship the last two years by almost all the anylists and they have still not proven to be anything short of chokers in march

Pre-Season

I am ready to start the season now. Skip football!! there is no way that Carolina should not win, if healthy. But I do think of 1994 and the too much talent dilema, though.

Pre-Season

No, let's not skip football season. I believe we're going to be improved, and look forward to seeing exciting football in Kenan once again. I bought season tickets last year in anticipation of Coach Davis making us competitive once again.

Regarding basketball, we're going to be good yet again, but there are a lot of good, competitive teams out there. The days of undefeated teams have gone the way of the dodo bird.

All three Carolina boys

All three Carolina boys returning because they were't ready for the NBA. Believe me, it wasn't their love for the Tar Heel blue. As usual though, they'll choke again, and again and again, and again....................

Yeah you keep telling

Yeah you keep telling yourself that.  Are you effin kidding me?  with everyone coming back and 3 mickey D all americans joining the team they wont be losing too many games.  UNC is going to be nasty next year.  Period. They might as well start reserving a section of the Dean dome to hang that next NC championship banner.  

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