Update: Sunday, 1:29 p.m.
A North Carolina football recruit said a Tar Heels assistant coach told him that the NCAA investigation would not affect UNC's future bowl status or have an impact on future recruits.
Tim Scott, a cornerback from Stafford, Va., said he was told by assistant coach Charlie Williams that UNC's bowl status would not be affected by the NCAA investigation.
Scott, reached by phone on Sunday afternoon, said Williams also talked to him about the punishment for the players involved in the NCAA investigation. He clarified a Virginia newspaper report from Saturday that attributed the quotes to head coach Butch Davis.
"Coach Williams said the players involved would have to pay back what they received and it wouldn't be an issue for future recruits," Scott said. "I didn't talk to coach Davis about the NCAA investigation."
Williams is UNC's receivers coach in his fourth season. He previously coached with Davis at Miami and also in the NFL.
Scott, rated a three-star cornerback by Scout.com, committed to the Heels on Saturday.
Davis acknowledged the UNC football program was being investigated on Thursday but declined to provide details about the number of players involved or the potential severity of the probe.
The NCAA interviewed Tar Heels receiver Greg Little in Chapel Hill, the player's father said last week, as well as defensive tackle Marvin Austin, The News & Observer has confirmed.
The NCAA conducted the interviews on July 12 and July 13, according public documents acquired by the N&O.
UNC has insisted from the public announcement of the investigation on July 15 that NCAA will not allow them to comment.
At least two players, quarterback T.J. Yates and cornerback Kendric Burney, have addressed the subject on Twitter.
Comments
I missed today....
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 21:18 — UNC1998Got here late, but what a show. There's a lot of sincere opinions. There's also very little in the way of verified facts. Let's all cool our jets, and relax. If what Williams "said" turns out to be true it's the NCAA's call. Sure, they could check with NCSU's fans, but I don't think they will.
Haha
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 19:09 — Heels20Stepped away from the computer to enjoy the Brickyard 400. Got a few good laughs when I checked back in. Mad_max, you have the potential to be a rational person, but you've lost your damn mind here. I know losing sucks, but when things don't go your way, it doesn't mean the other program is cheating. And just because State is an embarrassment to the ACC in just about every major sport, it doesn't mean they don't cheat. Carolina has had a better basketball program than State because of Michael Jordan, Phil Ford, James Worthy, Sam Perkins, Eric Montross, Jerry Stackhouse, Antawn Jamison, Tyler Hansbrough, etc. Our football program is better because of Lawrence Taylor, Choo Choo Justice, Don McCauley, Julius Peppers. This isn't a result of cheating. This is a result of an athletic department that has produced constant success. We face potential NCAA violations at the moment because of a player who may or may not have accepted benefits from an agent(s) (and he probably did). But that doesn't negate the fact that we have 5 other potential first round picks in the 2011 draft who weren't accepting benefits. The funny thing is that the people who are insisting Carolina is a corrupt program are the same people who think that J.R. Sweezy was the only one between himself, Markus Kuhn, Jake Verimiglio and George Bryan that was smoking pot. They are the same people claiming that ephedrine was being used as a sleeping aid TWO WEEKS before exam time, instead of being used as a PED. As a Carolina fan, I'm willing to admit that Marvin probably accepted benefits. But what advantage do we gain by that? How does that make us more likely to defeat opposing conference schools? To me, it is a significantly lesser offense than using a performance enhancing drug. Keep on praying that our program goes down, but just know that you're only doing so because your program is so pitiful that agents aren't even around to offer your players a thing.
Oh, and by the way. First time I have ever done this. I GUARENTEE that UNC will beat NC State this year in football. Hold me to my statement, and I'll hold you to your's.
RACING
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 15:52 — YAR8packI've been a fan of NASCAR for 30 years, and I've watched almost every Brickyard 400 event. Aside from one of my more favored drivers being taken out by Juan "more problem" Montoya at the end, yesterday's race may be the best Brickyard race, ever. How about the year of J-Mac? 1st at the Daytona 500 and the Brickyard 400. 2nd at the Southern 500 in Darlington (that race needs to be moved back to Labor Day weekend) and Coke (World) 600. Someone needs to hypnotize Jamie and tell him every weekend is one of NASCAR's crown jewel races. Good for those guys.
Though the recent decision making, if you want to call it that, of Brian France and Mike Helton has made the sport tough to bear for us longtime fans, it's great to see some good racing now and again.
Happy for McMurray
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 21:43 — Heels20but man, I just want my favorite drivers to stop going to Hendrick. First Junior, then Martin and now Kahne. It's gotten to the point where I'm a Carl Edwards fan because he doesn't put up with Kyle Busch's crap. But hey, NASCAR has kept me interested throughout the year so I can't complain about that.
Mr Ed and Kryle
Tue, 07/27/2010 - 10:46 — YAR8packI'm not a fan of either of those clowns. Kryle can drive the wheels off of anything, but he takes the crown of King Douche when he gets out of the car. Kryle needs a good slap to his rat face. One thing that irks me to no end is when announcers and other media types try to compare Kryle with Sr. Kryle is more like DW than any other driver in the fact both of those two dolts drive a smooth race (contrary to popular misconception, Kryle doesn't wreck people a la Sr), and how those two love to run their mouths, yet do nothing about it on the track. Kryle won't mix it up, because he knows people won't take shite off of him.
As for Carl, I just don't like him because he likes to trample on his teammates too much. There's also the roid rage or whatever he continues to showcase when he feels he's been disrespected. Carl needs to take a lesson on how to do the bump-n-run; that goes for him and Brad Krashalotski.
And I wish those two would leave the Nationwide series alone. Give it up. They've both been in that series for almost 6 years. What the hell happened to letting that series being a development series. People want to bring up how Mark Martin ran in that series a lot. But Martin didn't run almost every weekend like Carl and Kryle.
Junior will probably hang'em up after his contract with Hendrick runs out. I wasn't very happy when he decided to make the move to HMS, but I can't blame him for wanting to go to a place where he wouldn't have to worry about an owner who didn't give a damn and whether or not his car's equipment would explode at any moment. I'd like to see him do well, but I feel his psyche isn't in "it" anymore and is too easily dissuaded. There's only one way I feel could fix that. I'd love to see Pops get back on the box, maybe not as CC but as more a mental coach for Jr. Pops knows how to talk to him. Oh well, it will never happen, but I dang sure wish it would.
I pulled for Mark Martin as if he were my main guy during last year's Chase. Can "The World's Fastest Wrinkle" get a break?
Speaking of Mark Martin....I do wonder what's gonna happen with Kasey Kahne and Mark Martin. It appears Hendrick got a lil too antsy when he decided to go after Kahne before having an open seat.
1) I can't get in to the
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 00:47 — mad_max1) I can't get in to the MLB anymore, so summers are a slow time for me.
2) I'm not discrediting all the great players that UNC has had over the years...just saying that UNC has had a little help; From the media, the ACC, and the NCAA.
3) That's a bold guarantee from the 20. Of course there's nothing you can be backing that up with except a gut feeling, which I respect. But after the way the past couple years have gone, you can only hope that gut feeling is right. State has wanted it more every year, TOB has out-coached BMFD every year, and State put up 28 big ones on this "legendary" defense last year. With RW and another powerhouse offense coming back this season, beating State will be no easy task for your boys in blue.
Keep in mind
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 01:14 — Heels20When Quinn, Austin, Sturdivant, Williams, Carter and Burney decided to return, they had more in mind than a shot at an ACC title. These guys want to get that win against NC State. In '07, I think NC State was the better team. In '08, we came in overconfident and got State's best game of the season when we played our worst. Last season, we came in once again overconfident against a team with nothing to lose that was led by a QB who in my opinion is the best in the ACC. But let's be honest. The Heels have the better squad and unless we have the worst coaching staff in the country, we won't make the same mistake a third time. With or without Austin, there would be no excuse for us to lose that game this time around.
What we get from the media isn't help. It's publicity that the program has earned. I consider our basketball history second only to Kentucky, but many would even argue our tradition is richer. I'm not sure what you mean about help from the ACC or the NCAA. No one outside of the Wolfpack fan-base believes in any kind of conspiracy that officials favor us. What I can say is that between past success in basketball and football (obviously, more so basketball), UNC has gained possibly the largest fan-base of any university in the country. It is also one of the most hated. That's what happens when you put up the W's. Whether they're praising the Heels (ESPN) or attacking them (JPG), the media is always talking about North Carolina.
Any way, on to more specific predictions, I'm seeing a 9-3 regular season followed by a bowl win. It's easy to make a close prediction on the record, but determining which ones are the losses is tough. Last year I called for 9-3 with losses to VT, FSU and NCSU. This year, I'm thinking FSU will definitely be a loss, and then I see us underestimating Clemson and losing a close one to VT.
As for State, I had them down for 6-6 assuming Kyle Parker was gone. Now that he's back, I'm thinking 5-7. Tough to tell, though. If they had a half decent defense last year, FSU would have been a win and Dook may not have ran away with the game in the 4th quarter. Flip those 2 and give State a bowl win and we could be sitting here talking about a State-Carolina match-up in Charlotte this year.
Your Guarantee
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 19:36 — packfan3Did TJ Yates get injured, forcing him to miss the season? As long as he is directing your ship, State fans can rest easy. Please, you are the least of our worries. Maybe you should hold off on your guarantees until your team actually does something except get over-hyped. But let me guess, this year is going to be different....
It's really a classic catch-22 for you. The only way you will beat us is if the cheat squad is on the field, which I doubt they will. However, if they are on the field, I'll have the pleasure of watching that win get vacated by the NCAA.
Swofford can't protect you anymore.
Have to laugh...
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 02:52 — c1rhinoHave to laugh at the dire attempt to draw cheating into the history of UNC athletics. When your team loses as much as they do, I guess there is no alternative but to accuse the teams that do win of something unfair. Do you really think that even if Austin took money for a hotel room in the off season that it would make him play better? And that he has gained national attention for his playing before this incident for 3 years. Face the fact that taking money for a hotel is not cheating on the field and having some kind of advantage. If he did something wrong, he should be punished but it has nothing to do with cheating or making players better on the field.
Broader Picture
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 09:06 — packfan3Obviously, there is no "performance-enhancing" aspect to accepting benefits. However, the majority of people (sans UNC fans) are wondering if these benefits are orchestrated from a higher level throughout the recruiting process. There have been some interesting twists and turns in UNC's recruiting since Butch has arrived, and we're just interested in seeing if these twists originated from undesirable means.
It very well may be that there is nothing here, but cheating is cheating. Please do not suggest that you do not gain a competitive advantage by paying your players. It's pure speculation at this point, but hey, it's a blog. We are allowed to speculate.
Players contact with agents
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 11:47 — Heels20has nothing to do with unethical recruiting coming out of high school. Sure, you can speculate a far-fetched theory. Tom O'Brien's wife was on crutches a couple weeks ago (true story). Should we speculate that he beat his wife when he found out Debbie Yow is his new boss?
That's a good point
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 13:04 — packfan3If a Man's wife is beaten up, and said man has a history of violence, yes, speculation may occur and there is nothing you can do about that. In this case, the NCAA thought it would be worthwhile to take a trip to CH to investigate alleged involvement in accepting illegal benefits by more than one of your players. Since there is already an investigation going on, alleging cheating, it is completely acceptable to speculate.
Well
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 13:34 — Heels20You still can't get your facts straight. The search has been narrowed to ONE PLAYER. Read: ONE PLAYER. I repeat. ONE PLAYER.
Now that we have that out of the way, the NCAA is investigating illegal contacts with agents, not unethical recruiting by Butch. Butch doesn't have a history of unethical recruiting. Therefore, coming up with a far-fetched theory that a bunch of players were lured to schools with gifts because one player within that program may or may not have had illegal contact with an agent three years later just makes you sound like an idiot. Just like it would make a Carolina fan sound like an idiot for saying O'Brien's wife is on crutches because he beat her up after State's athletic department made a hire questioned by many.
You're a funny guy
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 20:04 — Heels20But we exceeded expectations in '08 and matched them in '09, so I'm not sure why you bring in the word "over-hyped."
And the only way we beat you is if our team with a winning record plays to its full potential of your team that has a losing record. Actually, scratch that. That's not the only way. Mark it down, we will beat you.
What's Swofford got to do with anything? This investigation is being conducted by the NCAA...
That's the point
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 20:25 — packfan3Swofford, being the ACC Commish, cannot protect you. Although he adeptly pointed out earlier today that expanding the conference to 14 or 16 teams would be "complicated". On second thought, maybe it's a stroke of luck that this braniac is being circumvented.
What are you talking about?
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 20:41 — Heels20ACC expansion is totally irrelevant to this conversation.
The investigation has so far recognized no violations. The NCAA has narrowed their search down to one player (Marvin Austin), and still has not pinned him for any violations. And you're right, Swofford cannot save us from an investigation that will at the very most (and still unlikely) yield a season-long suspension to our 1st team All-ACC D tackle whose back-up will most likely play professionally one day.
My point is...
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 09:10 — packfan3....Swofford is hardly competent in contrast to the other Commish's in the NCAA. My implication is that he would try and help you if he could, but the NCAA obviously circumvented his office.
Heck, if your backup DT is that good, maybe he should start. Marvin sure hasn't been able to deliver the success Butch has hyped.
By the way, I can only hope the NCAA investigation lasts as long as you suggest. Perhaps at this very moment they are digging through John Blake's phone recoreds. Would you be comfortable with that?
Have you even kept up with
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 11:44 — Heels20Have you even kept up with the investigation? The NCAA has already narrowed it down to only Marvin. So a couple weeks from now, when Marvin is the only player facing any kind of discipline, are you going to say the NCAA is corrupt and cheating for Carolina?
Marvin was a key part to one of the best rush defenses in the country. He was second team all-ACC. He managed 40 tackles and 4 sacks despite facing constant double teams. And while some fans try to argue that double teams have nothing to do with it, just look at how Robert Quinn exploded when offensive lines keyed in more on Marvin.
It is extremely unlikely the NCAA will investigate anything else. In these situations, they only look at issues in question because they would ultimately lose a ton of money if they punished players for every little thing. If they looked at every program, went through phone records of coaches and players, do you have any idea how many recruiting violations and drug deals they would uncover? That doesn't just go for UNC, but for EVERY school.
Indeed I have kept up
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 13:10 — packfan3But originally it started out with other players too. We don't know (as you have astutely pointed out) what exactly the investigators are focused on - just that Marvin is the biggest fish.
And now it seems the investigators are focusing on a camp Marvin attended in the offseason with...drumroll...Gary Wichard! You get interesting search results if you google "Gary Wichard" and "John Blake". The interesting thing about speculation is that it is required in an investigation. If all the facts were already out there, the NCAA would have already gone home. However, they have to speculate about Marvin's ability to finance Gucci, Miami, Hotels in DC, Football camps in CA (airfare, hotels, food).
Love how you assume the worst...
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 13:25 — Heels20...when it's UNC. It was announced midway through last week that the searched was narrowed to Marvin, aka all other players have been cleared. You obviously haven't kept up.
I haven't seen anything anywhere about Austin attending a camp with Wichard. Wichard happens to be the agent of John Blake and former DE Kentwan Balmer. Again, this is old news that everyone knows already, it's not like you're breaking a big story.
As far as the speculation goes, we don't even know for a fact that Marvin received benefits. We know of a $143 bill to the Cheesecake Factory (I can afford that) and trips to Miami that very well could have been paid for by his parents. And why would Marvin need hotels in DC when his family lives there? That just further exposes your ignorance to the situation. As I stated before, it's sad how you so badly want to see negative things affect UNC football that it outweighs anything that your sorry football program can bring you.
What consitutues "program being investigated."
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 16:49 — PDS2006JP - you state 'Davis acknowledged the UNC football program was being investigated...' Not to split hairs, but did he say the "program" was being investigated or that "players" on athletic scholarship at UNC are being investigated?
Just a few words, one might say, but an important distinction I think. "Program" being investigated implies to me that possible malfeasance within the program may have occurred and the NCAA is looking at the program (coaches, boosters, staff, players et al) and investigating therein. However, if the NCAA is looking into what "players" did on their own, acting as individuals - well now, that's not the program, is it? I've seen several headlines now that use this statement (and several that have focused on the players) and to my understanding, no coaches, administrators, staff or others in the program are part of the investigation. If that is the case, then I think this statement is misleading and/or incorrect.
I'm certainly not condoning anything, but I'm a little disturbed at what looks like cavalier use of terminology. Seems like a simple thing to clarify, otherwise you paint with a very broad brush. If the investigation broadens to look at coaches, what did they know, etc, then I think program is the right word.
Who is the liar ?
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 15:57 — pauld315Either the coach or the recruit is lying ... which is it ?
Both?
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 20:26 — packfan3Why trust either of them!
There is another possibility
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 16:58 — PDS2006There is another possibility - that the Fredericksburg reporter made an assumption about which coach he was referring to. As a former sports journalist, sometimes in interviews the subject isn't always clear who they are referring to. You try to get them to clarify at the time, but sometimes its not until later when you're looking at something in the interview notes and you have to decide what something means. Unless you have it on tape (or whatever recording devise is used now), it can get squirelly trying to decipher what your subject meant. Doubly true when you are talking to a high school player who has no experience with interviews and tends to ramble.
But who knows.
This is about ....
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 14:53 — AgentPierceWith due respect to the N&O's "well-known bias in FAVOR of UNC" or the N&O's "well-known bias AGAINST UNC". Both biases being, of course, "well-known" with ample documentation accumulated since Choo Choo and Roman Gabriel's days.
This article is really "an 18 y/o boy says an assistant coach said ....". Accepting anything beyond that as proving that Butch Davis is a bad boy .... or UNC is getting the Death Penalty .... or Dick Baddour is a space alien - is a stretch even for notoriously hyperbolic local sports rival fans.
Considering the info lock-down that has been in place for 10 days, I rather doubt that the university designated Asst Coach Charlie Williams to tell Tim Scott from Stafford VA so Tim could tell the world. But maybe they did. And maybe Dick Baddour IS a space alien.
I suggest rational UNC fans continue to keep their finger crossed that this will be resolved soon and the program will move forward with whatever alterations must be made. Mindful that at the end of each day ..... NCState fans and UNC fans really don't like each other very much. Especially among the younger demographics.
Looks like the baby-blue
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 14:19 — mad_maxLooks like the baby-blue boys are seeing the black helicopters now. You guys are absolutely right...there's no story to report here...it's just the UNC-hating local media that's fabricating facts to make UNC look bad. Man up fellas. Your program is corrupt, and the NCAA is finally exposing it. I know it's a tough pill for you guys to swallow, since you've run your mouths off for decades about how "Carolina does things the right way", but now it's time to face the truth. Can't wait until they finally investigate the basketball program up there too.
Message board rumors
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 19:22 — jblues1969You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on your fat tuckus, madmax. Go back to Statefans.com and fabricate fantasies to your heart's delight, but that doesn't make any of it 'fact'. The only facts anyone knows for sure is that there are NCAA investigators asking questions of Marvin Austin and Greg Little. Everything else, including stuff Giglio has written citing anonymous sources is what you call a "rumor". Please try to explain how agent contact with a UNC player constitutes wrongdoing on the part of UNC if you can. Southern Cal got in trouble for it because there was plenty of evidence that the coaching staff knew about Reggie Bush receiving benefits from an agent, and then covered it up and allowed him to play games. In this case, UNC hasn't played a single game, and Austin's alleged contact with an agent occurred a month ago, off-campus, during the off-season.
In addition
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 19:31 — Heels20Greg Little was cleared last Wednesday. N&O has yet to catch up on that. Just like when Ken Tysiac reported Darien Rankin's commitment a week after the fact, and a day after four-star QB Marquise Williams committed (has yet to be reported).
A lot of hate around here...
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 16:14 — bryant80First off GO TARHEELS!When you have an elite sports program like us it generates a lot of jealousy and hate.Our sports program has won 37 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS and 51 individual NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS(Not to mention 3 out 4 yrs in the baseball championship)...Compared to Duke who has 12 and State 8...You can add then together and times 2 and they would be up there..See this generates a lot of jealous when your second rate...Now we have 2 players that may have taken money from agents.NOT UNC!!!They may or may not be suspended. We're still getting the best recruits...So don't wet yourselves yet. Then trying to say because 2 kids were allegedly dumb enough to take money from agents(which seems to be happening everywhere) that we some how have been cheating for the last 200 yrs and our whole program is corrupt...lol.What a bunck of jealous little haters you are...
Fair enough...
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 20:29 — packfan3But you have to tell friends and family you are a Carolina fan....is that like telling your parents you rollerblade? Must have been an awkward conversation, to say the least.
I don't think it's worth it. Personal opinion though, you are obviously comfortable in your own skin - more power to you!
Have you ever thought...
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 13:55 — c1rhinoButch has been a coach for decades. You don't think all the coaches know the rules and penalties for certain violations. He didn't say they WERE guilty, he said that what they are investigating about Austin, IF they find he was guilty, he would have to pay back the money and UNC would still be eligible for bowl games. Considering the incident supposedly happened this spring, that would mean he was eligible last season, so quit whining about cheating. Twist the headlines or story how you want it to read. That's the way to make the matter into what you want it to be...ignorant !
Can't remember who said it
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 11:48 — Heels20But whoever said that JPG is loving the fact that he gets to cover this story was dead on.
Are there black helicopters
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 14:20 — mad_maxAre there black helicopters flying around Chapel Hill today?
CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 11:58 — hellfishJPG will be howling like the rest of his wuffie breathren...cheat cheat cheat that's all UNC does...and win btw...If it was'nt for the Canes and UNC this "tabloid" would'nt sell for free...and what's even better THEY know it!
JPG's headline is much
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 12:20 — packfan3JPG's headline is much fairer than it could have been. The subject of the article says Butch all but confirmed his players accepted illegal benefits. The headline could easily have been "Recruit alleges Davis admits illegal benefits". That would have been far more explosive than "UNC football recruit says Davis told him UNC bowl status secure". Don't blame what has been fair journalism for Davis' indiscretions.
There's more to it than the headline
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 12:38 — Heels20You can read my posts in earlier blogs on this topic that I thought JPG was doing just fine reporting this. However, take a look at the end of this particular story.
"UNC has insisted from the public announcement of the investigation on July 15 that NCAA will not allow them to comment.
At least two players, quarterback T.J. Yates and cornerback Kendric Burney, have addressed the subject on Twitter. Scott's comments were published Saturday."
Yates and Burney didn't release any unknown information through their brief tweets. Everyone knew there was an investigation occurring, and everyone knew the players weren't happy with it. It's not like either one of them said "leave us alone, no one is guilty of anything." JPG, however, paints it out as though they should be disciplined by the NCAA for harmless comments.
I understand your point
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 13:05 — packfan3But, do we not have to shift some blame to Butch and Co.? The NCAA contradicted them when they stated that UNC was not instructed to say nothing on the matter. Had Butch not stated the contrary, your criticism would be moot.
We'll see
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 13:07 — Heels20No one knows exactly what Butch is or is not allowed to say. He fielded questions from the media earlier this week on the probation, stating he was blindsided by it. He's not allowed to speak with players when the NCAA is present, and there's no evidence he's guilty of that. As far as we know, he hasn't done anything wrong.
I'm confused...
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 11:40 — packfan3Butch continues to surprise us by saying one thing on the record and another thing to a recruit. I thought the NCAA told him not to comment on the "review"?
I'M CONFUSED (BIG SURPRISE!)
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 23:53 — hellfishm00u = confused...quit worrying your little wuffie heads, UNC will be a BCS team with an NCAA "investigation" without merit and NOTHING proven. Ya m00uer's will be 5-7 and be hoping to get a Toilet bowl appearance against the Upper st. snow tires played in Trucker city Ms. between 2 tractors and a hog lot with aluminum ladders for goal posts with cheerleaders "rented" from the closest "Pilot travel center" lot with the winner getting a full year of "Skoal brother" illustrated! and a silver "spit cup" and dentures of there choice! keep recruiting that 1 star tallent TOB!...keep it classy pup packers. your "wuff" every penny!
Butch thinks it has merit
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 09:16 — packfan3The reading comprehension you must possess is stunning. It's hilarious. Your coach, in this article, has told a player that players have cheated. The NCAA forbids this type of interaction with agents.
This is the transitive property at work. If A=B, B=C, then A=C. Please, keep up. Realizing that Carolina is a liberal arts school, you may have difficulty with mathematical concepts. It's either this, or you didn't read the article. Which is it?
So Butchie is confirming
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 11:28 — mad_maxSo Butchie is confirming that players have illegally received money/gifts, but he says all that will happen is that they have to pay it back? If there is no punishment after this investigation, then it will be clearer than ever that UNC receives special treatment from the NCAA.
Life must really suck
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 13:52 — Heelsforeverwhen everybody else hates your program and likes and protects the program you hate the most.
Life must really suck
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 14:29 — mad_maxwhen your program and fan-base values winning over morals, sportsmanship, and following the rules. You see, State could go 0-12 this year and I would still be proud to back the Pack. On the other hand, UNC could go 4-8 this year and 80% of the fans would disappear (like we've seen so many times before). Why is that? Because without winning, UNC fans have nothing to be proud of, and they know that deep down. I'd rather root for a losing or mediocre program that has heart and integrity than a slightly above average or winning program that exhibits embarrassing and unethical behavior.
"You see, State could go
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 19:30 — jblues1969"You see, State could go 0-12 this year and I would still be proud to back the Pack."
That's very possible, you know.
Better make that 1-12. I
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 00:31 — mad_maxBetter make that 1-12. I forgot about the guaranteed beatdown of BMFD's boys.
Eh
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 01:16 — Heels20IF that were the case, it'd be 1-11. But it won't be, so it's all good.
What does all of your jabber
Sun, 07/25/2010 - 18:18 — Heelsforeverhave to do with my statement? Stay on topic. Admit it; you guys always say the refs help Carolina, the ACC helps Carolina, the NCAA helps Carolina, the trolls help Carolina, etc. etc, etc. It never stops. Your level of red-headed step-child mentality and inferiority complex is amazingly consistent and perpetual. You should stop paying attention to Carolina before it absolutely consumes your life.
Your turn. This is going to be fun.
Well, it's a fact that the
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 00:30 — mad_maxWell, it's a fact that the refs have traditionally helped Carolina. Were you in mid-blink for all three of those goaltends in Raleigh last basketball season? And what about last year's football contest? Taunting an injured player while he lays on the ground doesn't warrant a flag, but making a legal hit on TJ Yates while he is clearly in bounds does??? And let's not act so innocent here...you guys complain about DUIke every year, but I guess that's justified, right?
Your turn. Don't rush it though, we've got until September to keep this up.
I've gotta say
Mon, 07/26/2010 - 01:22 — Heels20I'm willing to admit when a call is blown in Carolina's favor (Graves' trip against Rhode Island in the NIT, for example). Even seeing replays of Henson's blocks in Raleigh, I came to the conclusion that none were goaltends. Little knew he drove Byrd into the ground and taunted him, but he didn't know Byrd was seriously injured. There was taunting going back and forth on both sides all game. I agree with your argument that the hit on Yates was clean, but there was at least one phantom pass interference call on the Heels on third down plays during one of State's scoring drives. Calls were blown, but neither team was in favor.