No respect for N.C. State in Detroit

Why not put up Ty Lawson's DWIs - 2, CHPD - 0?

Anywhere else (other than Duke) there would have been an NCAA investigation and he would have been kicked off the team.

But in Chapel Hill, the punishment mysteriously disappeared.

They have free reign to ignore any pesky rules from the law or NCAA 1) the "non-practice" with then Senator Obama 2) their John Wall recruitment Facebook page, etc. To say nothing of favorable calls from the ACC officiating crews for decades.

*THAT* is how they have five national championships -- Nothing more, nothing less.

UNC's win was impressive and I, as a NCSU alum, picked two brackets with the Heels winning it all, although I picked UConn as the final opponent...after all, a team (UNC) with five NBA first-rounders starting and three or four more on the bench, how could it NOT win? Totally predicatable, just as in 2005 when UNC played Illinois, a team with one half-decent point guard and four football players in the starting lineup. That said, NCSU's win in '83 is the MOST IMPRESSIVE NCAA Final Four championship game in HISTORY (don't gimme that UNC '57 unbeaten squad beating Wilt in the finals). Look at the UNC record, 31-0 going into that game. The Heels had to be even money, not a huge underdog like '83 Wufies. NCSU '83 had one better-than-average player (Thurl Bailey), two midget guards, a forward (Lorenzo Charles) nobody knew about and a center (Cozell McQueen) from Bennettsville, S.C., who said he signed with NCSU to get out of the South. Funny stuff. And Dereck Whittenburg, its best shooter, went down the broken foot in the 10th game vs. UVa (he had 27 pts. at halftime) and missed the next 14 games. The bench also was staffed with such noteables as Alvin Battle, Tommy Dinardo, Dinky Proctor, Quinton Leonard, Harold Thompson, Walt Densmore, Mike Warren -- all names everyone knows went on to outstanding careers in YMCA Lunch Bunch games in later life. But Valvano's floor coaching was incredible, the best there ever was and will be. And the team HAD TO WIN the ACC tournament just to get into the NCAA tournament. Then began the amazin' run, capped by Whit's airball and Lo's dunk heard 'round the world that sent No. 1 Houston (can you say "CHOKE at the free throw line?") down to ignominious defeat. The entire U.S. was on its feet, not just West Raleigh or N.C. That's why ESPN ALWAYS shows that game each year in the run-up to the tournament's start. Pulling for UNC these days is like pulling for, gulp, well, like it used to be pulling for GM or U.S. Steel. UNC's not an evil empire; just an empire. Gotta pull for the underdogs in that case every time.

O'er the hills and o'er tha ditches there's a place called Hell live 30,000(?) sons of bitches o'er at Chapel Hill

have ever set foot inside a college classroom, judging from the quality of the remarks. NCnativeinVA probably comes the closest, having been admitted to UNC but turning it down because its Air Conditioner Repair and Cosmetology departments weren't as strong as his local community college's.

...no, not at all. The football "national champion" (at least for the big conferences) is NOT an NCAA champion. It is a BCS champion. The BCS is not the NCAA.

Prior to the BCS, it would be fair to use the term "national champion." Note that I am not using the term "NCAA champion," since there is no such thing.

The banners mentioned in Ken's article are on display as part of an NCAA event, and are designed to honor NCAA champions. As I stated earlier, the 1924 championship is not an NCAA championship -- thus, it does NOT belong on a banner commemorating NCAA championships.

Now for football of course, if you were referring to what used to be called NCAA Division I-AA, or to NCAA Division II or Division III, then you would correctly refer to an NCAA champion, as the NCAA indeed DOES run the football championships there. But that is not what you were referring to, was it?

Really, you Tar Heel zealots need to get your facts straight. I wish the Heels well this weekend -- but I am starting to tire of some of their fans, Jay.

The Wolfpack also won the NCAA championship in 1974 with perhaps the best player in college basketball history.

No way in hell Thompson was better than Lew Alcindor. Keep smoking crack if you believe that.

It's hilarious that State fans have to go back to 1983 as the university's only defining moment.

Detroit has a ton of respect for NCState though... Without State alumni, who would clean up the bathrooms at Ford Field??

Ken Tysiac - you got the story wrong. 1974 was what was omitted from the banner. Poor homework...

If you want to talk football:
North Carolina: 63; NC State: 29; Ties: 6
NOT EVEN CLOSE. A COMPLETE JOKE!

Talk Basketball:
North Carolina: 140; NC State: 75
ACC Tournament: North Carolina:16; NC State:10 (Since Regular Season Titles don't matter to NCSU)
NCAA Championships: North Carolina 4; NC State 2
Final Fours: North Carolina 18!
NOT EVEN CLOSE. A COMPLETE JOKE!

Please quit embarrassing yourselves State fans. Just let it be.

I thought you said youd didnt care one way or the other about UNC in a few of your blogs (you know, the UNC/Duke blogs) ...

"The Carolina blue banner for North Carolina correctly lists 1957, 1982, 1993 and 2005 as years the Tar Heels won."

The above certainly says otherwise.  Someone who did not care one way or the other  (like you like to claim)would have just simply stated the years UNC won their NCAA tourneaments.  no.  you had to use the words correctly lists. 

you're a hater.  no problem.  just wanted to point it out is all.

A real journalist, recognizing how interesting this story would be to a large portion of his readers, would have dug in deep and found out who made the banners, who approved the artwork, and interviewed all involved to find out how such a @#$%^&* stupid mistake could have been made. But, hey, it's just N.C. State, and they aren't any shade of blue, so who the hell cares about them anyway?

I can see the NCAA forgetting about our title in '83. It's not like we won any close games, upset any heavily favored teams, came back from any big deficits, or made any last second shots during the tournament. Yes, what a completely forgettable borefest the '83 tournament was. I'm surprised I haven't forgotten it too.

It seems so like Carolina fans to want to hang a banner for a made up championship. Until the mid-70's there was no such thing as an ACC regular seaon champion, yet Carolina used to hang "Championship" banners for finishing first in the regular season even when they lost the actual ACC Championship. Of course these days everyone does that sort of thing and the leauge does actually recognize the regualr season champion. But until the mid-70's the "regular season champion" was a UNC fiction. Even today UNC is the leader at hanging bogus banners. I think I saw one from the Doherty era that said "At Least We Didn't Fininish Last"

Would we expect anything less? We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the ACC. Also UNC you have 4 Titles, not 5. Just like UNC to make up a Title, just so they can try and catch Kentucky, or UCLA. Well in that case, I want the 'Pack to hang that "State Champs" banner in Carter-Finley.

So I guess that by using your logic, there has never been a national champion in college football! You know and we know what the actual total is, and no fuzzy math (sort of like Duke's way of not counting losses that might hurt the contractually obligated coaches total) will ever take the title away!

Oh, you Tar Heel fans can be such remarkable nitwits sometimes. The NCAA tournament began in 1939 (although the first year's tournament was run by the National Association of Basketball Coaches). The tournament was "invented" by Phog Allen (who coached Dean Smith at Kansas).
The reason the NCAA doesn't recognize the 1924 title is because it did not have a title in 1924. Please, for God's sake, check Wikipedia or the NCAA's own history
If you really feel it is so damned important to claim the 1924 title (which you rightly state is made up), go ahead. I really could care less. But do not expect the NCAA to "recognize" a championship earned some 15 years before the NCAA offered a championship in the sport. That dog won't hunt.