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• Read Terry Holland's letter to N.C. State, UNC (PDF)

You know a football rivalry is hot when the athletic directors can't even agree when two schools are supposed to play.

In an e-mail released to the media Wednesday, Terry Holland said East Carolina expects N.C. State to honor a contractual obligation to play five times between now and 2016 unless the schools reach a mutually agreeable alternative schedule.

N.C. State's Lee Fowler said he has a letter dated June 18, 2008, indicating Holland's agreement in principle that the schools will play just three times during that period.

Holland acknowledged discussions about moving games, but had a spokesman e-mail media members late Wednesday afternoon after learning of an interview Fowler gave on the Raleigh radio station 99.9 The Fan on Wednesday morning.

According to a transcript of the interview, Fowler said Holland and East Carolina coach Skip Holtz wanted to "back off" from playing so often.

Holland said East Carolina and Holtz want to play N.C. State and North Carolina as often as possible because those games are important to the future of the eastern part of the state economically and otherwise.

"We are therefore TOTALLY [sic] committed to playing games against those institutions whenever the opportunity arises for us to play them," Holland said in his statement.

The contract Holland said is in force calls for games in 2009, 2012 and 2016 in Greenville and 2008, 2010 and 2013 in Raleigh. The 2008 game was played last week, when N.C. State edged East Carolina 30-24 in overtime.

Fowler doesn't question the contract's existence, but said Holland's letter in June confirmed East Carolina's agreement to play only in 2010 and 2016 in Greenville and in 2013 in Raleigh.

In addition, Fowler said, a website maintained by ESPN with future scheduling information provided by schools and conferences shows that East Carolina has dates with N.C. State only in 2010, 2013 and 2016.

"Terry and I have been friends for a long time," Fowler said. "I'm sure we'll get it worked out. I was surprised at the way it came out of ECU, but I'm sure we'll talk in the near future and resolve the issue."

UPDATE, 5:48 p.m.: ECU released a letter that Holland sent to Fowler and UNC athletics director Dick Baddour. 

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Oh lawdy

I came here wondering which had the greater intellect, flatworms or East Carolina graduates, and I now have objective proof that the former wins the matchup.

....and that coming from

....and that coming from someone who actually uses the word "lawdy".  Maybe your own intellect is the one that needs to be measured.

 

NCSU loves to beat ECU just

NCSU loves to beat ECU just as much as ECU loves to beat NCSU. fans (NCSU) that say otherwise just dont want admit it.

First, why are you State

First, why are you State fans still bringing up something that happened 21 years ago?  Get over it!  Secondly, someone commented that ECU fans talk so much junk you'd think they were USC.  Are you kidding?  You are, right!  Read these blogs and see just how many derogatory comments have been made about ECU from smack talking Pack fans.  Thirdly, please stop saying it wasn't that big of a deal to beat ECU this year.  You had t-shirts printed with the final score and the "upset".  Let's just call it like it is.  State played a great game and upset the 15th ranked team in the nation.    

Children...children

Play nice with one another on the playground.

Finally- a fair comparison

Playing against ECU is fun while you are doing it, but after you're done- you know you are in a relationship with someone like that crazy woman in the movie "Fatal Attraction".

Hide your mascots folks....the water is boiling down in Greenville.

 

This is dumbbbb

ya well in 1781, my raleigh family played your greenville family in football and that means we are so much better than you. COME ON PEOPLE! why are we still comparing head to head records that date back to the early 80's? who cares if we have a 16-10 lead in the all time series vs ecu? hell i wasn't even born for some of those games. oh ecu won 7/13 times and ncsu won 8/15....damn that sounds pretty even to me. while ncsu's fball team has sucked recently, it seems that we play ecu pretty close every game. it doesnt matter how good a team is before or after the game, its who is better at that given point in time on that given saturday. and it looks like most games are great games. so give credit where credit is due. the past two years, ncsu has had the better team on those saturdays. 3 years ago, it was ecu. stop having a fat head about your school and recognize when youve been outplayed and beaten (both sides). as long as ecu fans DO NOT REPEAT HISTORY and mess our field up, why shouldnt we play this exciting rivalry game? i dont necessarily care a whole lot either way, but i can't think of a great reason to not play it.

Fowler.... Once again: Opens Mouth, Inserts Foot....

We all like to have fun with this rivalry and I'm sure Lee is no different & was feeling a little froggy this week with the overtime win over the #15 team in the country (now the #23 team in the country. Sometimes when you are feeling full of yourself its easy to get lulled into some words you may regret. In this instance: I think Lee may have "mis-remembered."
Imagine what NCSU could do.... if it actually had a AD??? Somebody.... is about to get exposed, and he wears a red jacket. The obvious answer (contract) is sitting in a folder on someone's desk- and I'm sure Holland doesn't want to show-up his fellow AD in public.
That hits on something however: when Holland and Fowler are presented in the same setting it gets painfully obvious- somebody is playing a chess match and somebody is eating glue. Somebody is making More out of less vs. somebody creating less out of More.
Best thing Fowler can do is go back to 99.1, mumble he "mis-remembered" and shuffle back to his office.

ECU Game

Ask Governor's wife to execute a contract. She needs something to do for all that money(even w/o a raise).

ECU Fans

Good God ECU fans talk so much junk you would think they are USC in football. NC State and ECU and UNC for that matter all are horrible football programs with that get no national respect. Stop trying to put each other down as if one prorgam is better than another. They ALL SUCK. In addition, yeah ECU started the year off well, but you LOST to STATE so shut the heck up. You are back to being irrelevant because you lost a crappy team missing half of their starters due to injuries. At least UNC is an elite university and NC State is a 1st Tier college. EZU is a bottom, 4th tier college. 4th ties means lower 25% - that is sad.

You Should be shot for even

You Should be shot for even opening your mouth, You make your self sound even more stupid then you probably are...which is probably pretty high sense you're a state fan.  Because we lost we state that makes us irrelevant, it's like VT and WVU mean nothing.  Yes I know they are a down right now, but at the time they were still ranked teams at the time ECU beat them.  which is a lot more then state can say.  And by the way I don't know how you can say that ECU is the bottom 4.  If any thing they are in the top, especially in the last 4 years, where ECU has been rising, and state has been declining ever since chuck amato was unsuccessful in recruiting any one to replace rivers(whom he didn't recruit)

Take it back further

NC State leads 16-10 all time

Yawn

Saying that NCSU is better than ECU bc they won is like saying the Braves are better than the Phillies this year since they won last night.... Enjoy your win over the Pirates, bc while ECU is actually going bowling you'll be home... again.

Can't ECU get it? We (State)

Can't ECU get it? We (State) don't want to play you. This is a much bigger game to you than it is to us. It is like you are this little brother with this huge inferiority complex. You're never going to be in the same league as State and UNC but you keep bugging us and bugging us to play you. If you can't get it one way, you go to the legislature whining and they threaten to pass a law making us play you. Just go away please.

This past weekend was

This past weekend was possibly the biggest win in the history of NCSU. NCSUcks is the joke of the ACC. ECU probably was looking ahead to the rest of the season, as each of those games are much more important to them.

agreement in principle

there are enough lawyers on staff at both ncs and ecu to be able to execute a new contract or contract modification if both parties agreed. as a carolina alum and college football fan i would love to see in state games scheduled rather than the out of state barber college teams bought in to try and gain bowl elegibility.

Great Point

Awesome point, I cannot understand why there is so much disagreement about ECU, UNC, NCSU playing say every two or three years.  Eventhough ECU lost Saturday, that was one of the best environments I have been around in quite some time.  I hope that we can put aside egos and continue to play.  Money wise and fan wise, it is the RIGHT thing to do. 

Lee Fowler

State and ECU will get back to reality this weekend - and all of this will be a distant memory soon enough. Fowler is trying to bleed this victory for everything it is worth, b/c more than likely, it will be the only bright spot on NCSU's season. Pretty pathetic.

What sport does "Coach"

What sport does "Coach" Holland coach?

Lee Fowler...

needs to be fired ASAP. As a student I am fed up with going to games only to have these idiots ruin it. The top 3 guys that need to be gone from NCSU go something like this:

1.) Lee Fowler - He is just a complete moron and anytime he opens his mouth or talks to the media he makes everyone involved with NCSU look bad.

2.) Jon Stafford - This man prides himself on taking away student traditions and replacing them with no tailgating, pat downs at the gate, and a ticketing system so poor that you miss the 1st quarter of the game.

3.) James oBLINGer - A proud leader who has made great strides for the university like...... raising fees (BLING BLING) and..... well that's about it!

yea, I was wondering why the

yea, I was wondering why the endzone was empty midway throught the 1st quarter of the ECU game.  stupid.

Since ECU being an easy opponent...

is the topic and since some of you Staint fans are bringing up "recent" history....since 1983 13 games have been played with ECU winning 7...and if you want to brag that you have a 15-10 overall record against...consider this...Staint is an ACC school with recruiting power...ECU gets the leftovers and we are still able to whip your tails on any given year.

ECU's "Leftovers"

FACT - The majority of the best talent that ECU gets are players who want to be in (and recruited by) ACC and SEC schools but just are not intelligent enough to cut it or just fall short of qualifying.

FACT - Conference USA academic standards are far less demanding than the ACC.

Please, don't even begin to

Please, don't even begin to say that.  Have you seen the intelligent people that go to state....I haven't....because they're none!  UNC, Duke and WF are the acc schools that have academic standards...the rest of the acc is full of morons who have talent playing football.

Any given year?

ECU gets the leftovers and we are still able to whip your tails on any given year.

First off, it isn't nice to call the players leftovers. I'm sure they don't like that.

Second, I guess the past two years weren't any given year? Or are you not smart enough to realize we won those games?

ECU/NC State record

Any given year? ECU favored in '07, favored in '08? Yea! Your math skills are why you are at ECU or maybe your not smart enough to be a student(enrolled) at ECU !!!!!

No rivalry game is easy. NC

No rivalry game is easy. NC State is even tougher because they have better athletes than their record has indicated recently.

I imagine that NC State would be a better team this year if not for key injuries. ECU would also have been a different team if we didn't have our starting tailback out, and didn't lose our best defensive player, along with our starting left tackle (forcing us to reshuffle the entire O-line) 1 week before the game.

Fowler sounds like he's on the hot seat, and trying to suck uup to the boosters.

"I imagine that NC State

"I imagine that NC State would be a better team this year if not for key injuries"

 

Way to go out on a limb there, buddy! 

Terry Holland

ECU is lucky to have the leadership that we now have in place. Both Ballard and Holland have worked together for the betterment of our university and Coach Holland in particular has done a masterful job of working out long-term home & away scheduling agreements with many teams that are mutually beneficial for all parties concerned. He has at the very least always conducted his affairs with a level of class and dignity that Lee Fowler would do well to imitate.

Both ECU and NCSU benefit from having these games on the schedule. The vast majority of State fans enjoy these games and view them as a rivalry that they would like to continue far into the future.

I am not sure why Fowler has felt the need to “pound his chest” as of late; he’s a grown man and such behavior does not do justice to the title of Athletic Director at NCSU.

NCSU has won three of the last four meetings in the series while ECU has won six of the last ten; State now leads the all time series sixteen games to ten. ECU will win some of the future games and will in no doubt lose a few as well. Let’s let the two teams play and ignore the ramblings of an AD who as of late does not know when to be quiet and think clearly about his statements and how they will reflect upon his university.

you sound like a guy who

you sound like a guy who used to be in the home security business! 

Terry Holland

I did indeed.  Who may I ask are you?

What kills me is that Lee Fowler basically stated that ECU is "scared" of playing State.  The proposal dated 6/18/08 clearly shows that Holland was attempting to schedule MORE games with State, not that he was trying to run away. 

I wonder if Lee Fowler knows the difference between a "proposal" and a "contract".  Apparently not.  He also seems to lack basic reading comprehension skills. 

Seriously, State deserves a better AD than this. 

I would not want to play us either

With the way the Wolfpack has laid the smack down on that Pirate rear end---I can't blame Holland, Holtz, the mayor of Greenville, County Commisioners, and any other EZU fan--I would not want to play the Wolfpack either. I am so glad the Pack could end a Pirate's Pipe dream.

Even Playing Field

Let's be objective here, Holland wanted to move a game so ECU could have the same advantage that State had. "ECU specifically asked about moving the 2009 game scheduled for Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium to the 2010 season. We wanted the local rivalry game with NC State in 2010 when we expect
to have completed our East End Zone project that could add between
5,000 and 7,000 seats to our stadium."

Unlike State we have to earn our money because of the BCS monopoly "Bull@#%! Championship System" that rewards teams in the 6 "power conferences" - whatever that means. How many millions has State received just for being in the ACC (riding the coat-tails of FSU and VT). If ECU had been afforded the same recruiting advantage and ill-gotten riches that State has received I have not doubt the results of the last 10 years would have been better for us. But the corrupt NCAA has chosen to weight the field to the advantage of the greedy six. Even the Democrats beloved Joe Biden stated "It looks like a rigged deal"  in the Congressional hearings several years ago. And if anyone knows about rigged deals its the Senator from Delaware - home of just about every Credit Card Company (Think 18% plus interest rates - loneshark rates)

So yes, State fans you did beat ECU on an uneven playing field, you should feel proud of yourselves that you could beat a non-BCS team. Not!

Hahaha, Fowler thinks a

Hahaha, Fowler thinks a letter takes precedence over a signed contract? This guy is even dumber than everyone initially suspected.

You really have to feel bad for NCSU, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight.

Fowler is an embarrassment.

Fowler is like the other State Fans

Low class

low class is much better

low class is much better than ezu NO class

you got some nerve saying

you got some nerve saying ECU has no class...were you at that game last weekend? I was...and I saw a lot of red with no class, who don't know how to handle winning.  Acting like complete Idiots, that is no class, and that is an nc state way of life.

All ACC (and ECU football),

All ACC (and ECU football), all the time — from breaking news to game coverage, post-game analysis, audio and video from the N&O sports staff...nuff said :)

Seriously, is there a worse

Seriously, is there a worse AD in the country than Lee Fowler? If so, I feel really bad for that school. I think any professor in NC State's College of Engineering could do a better job of being AD than Lee Fowler.

NC State fans: do you think Lee Fowler is a good representative? I sure dont.

He is terrible.  He makes

He is terrible.  He makes Todd Turner's time as AD at NC State look very good.

Please. give us Bobby Purcell as AD!

Ask Washington fans what

Ask Washington fans what they think of Todd Turner...they quite possibly hate him more as AD than we did when he was in Raleigh.

 I mean, the idiot tried to lobby that the Helms Foundation championship awarded to the Huskies way back when was legit! What dumbass! Thankfully, the Washington admins and fans would have none of that.

Gee, I wonder where Turner got the idea to start recognizing the Helms Foundation championships...

Comparing Terry Holland as

Comparing Terry Holland as an AD to Lee Fowler is like comparing Michael Jordon to Gavin Grant as basketball players.

 How many times do NC State fans have to see Lee Fowler continue to open his mouth and insert his foot?

 If he's not calling up a local radio station to rate "Cougars" he's making statements that are flat-out lies.

He embarrasses NC State too many times in a position that demands a high level of professionalism.

 

ecu flunkies

hey ectc
keep taking all the acc and sec flunkies. it doesnt matter
we're gonna keep kicking your butt anyway
some of you idiots keep saying that state is the easy part of your schedule.
too bad the joke is really on you !!!!
we want to keep playing you every year. thats an easy win

Funny...EC has won 7 of last

Funny...EC has won 7 of last 13...real easy win huh?

well we've won the last 8 of

well we've won the last 8 of 15. . . . 

Get Serious

NC State is 10-18 over the past 2 or so years. Of those 10 wins, 4 of them were against top 25 competition. NC State is not consistently good, but they do show up for games they consider to be bigtime opponents.

Surely you don't put the Wolfpack on the same level as USC, WVU, or Virginia Tech year in and year out? If so, the delusions in Raleighwood are much worse than originally estimated.

I would've thought by now that those unrealistic expectations and perceived importance that Amato helped to set would've worn off by now. I guess not for some people.

Let me help you. You're NC State. You're no one. You are the butt of jokes all across the media outlets. Phillip Rivers is not coming back.

That aught to get you caught up.

NC State on the rise???? I

NC State on the rise???? I heard that back in 2003.

Mr. Fowler, you and you alone created the issue...

Cheap publicity, isn't it?

umm...

Scoreboard.

What do you mean you're

What do you mean you're surprised with the way it came out of ECU, Fowler? You basically made it sound like Holland and Holtz were scared to line up with NC State. Probably news to you, but NC State is the easiest game ECU has lined up out of conference for many, many years.

Here is your quote, Fowler:
"We had more games over those six years, and I think Skip (Holtz) and Terry (Holland) got together and said, 'We've got to make sure we can win and do some things properly,' so I think they wanted to back off every other year or every year, home and away."

If anything, I'm sure Holland was pretty surprised with the way you let your gums flap like you're Southern Cal. News, pal, no one is scared to play NC State. NO ONE.

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