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Dino Gaudio's unceremonious exit from Wake Forest on Wednesday left him in a unique group of former ACC coaches.

Since 1986, 16 coaches have either been fired or forced out. Gaudio tops the dubious group in ACC winning percentage (.562) and ranks second in overall winning percentage (.663).

It should be noted, Gaudio's tenure was the shortest of the group, tied with North Carolina's Matt Doherty and Maryland's Bob Wade at just three seasons.

Still, the winning record in the ACC, one of three on the list of 16, and the overall record made Wednesday's announcement unusual.

"On the surface, that looks like a very controversial and difficult decision," Wake AD Ron Wellman said Wednesday.

 Coach  Years
Overall Pct.
Lefty Driesell, Md 1970-1986 17 348-159 .686
Dino Gaudio, WF 2008-2010 3 61-31 .663
Jim Valvano, State 1981-1990 10 209-114 .647
Pat Kennedy, FSU 1992-1997 11 202-131 .607
Bobby Cremins, GT 1982-2000 19 354-237 .599
Al Skinner, BC 1998-2010 13 247-165 .599
Jeff Jones, UVa 1991-1998 8 146-104 .584
Cliff Ellis, Clem 1985-1994 10 177-128 .580
Pete Gillen, UVa 1999-2005 7 118-93 .559
Matt Doherty, UNC 2001-2003 3 53-43 .552
Dave Leitao, UVa 2006-2009 4 63-60 .512
Larry Shyatt, Clem 1999-2003 5 70-84 .455
Les Robinson, State 1991-1996 6 78-98 .443
Steve Robinson, FSU 1998-2002 5 64-86 .426
Bob Wade, Md 1987-9189 3 36-50 .419
Bob Staak, WF 1986-1989 4 45-69 .395

 

Coach ACC Pct.
Dino Gaudio, WF 27-21 .562
Lefty Driesell, Md 122-100 .549
Jim Valvano, State 71-69 .507
Al Skinner, BC 40-40 .500
Matt Doherty, UNC 23-25 .479
Bobby Cremins, GT 134-150 .427
Pat Kennedy, FSU 45-51 .469
Jeff Jones, UVa 59-67 .468
Dave Leitao, UVa 27-37 .422
Pete Gillen, UVa 45-67 .402
Cliff Ellis, Clem 56-90 .384
Steve Robinson, FSU 25-55 .313
Les Robinson, State 28-66 .298
Larry Shyatt, Clem 20-60 .250
Bob Wade, Md 7-35 .167
Bob Staak, WF 8-48 .143

The overall numbers don't account for how a season unfolds. Wellman was clear Wednesday that he fired Gaudio, who had four seasons left on his contract, because of how each of his three seasons finished.

The undertone of Wellman's decision was that Gaudio didn't do enough with the talent on the roster.

In the past two seasons Gaudio had a combination of Jeff Teague, James Johnson and/or Al-Farouq Aminu, two first-round NBA draft picks and a projected lottery pick, yet lost in the ACC tournament to a double-digit seed by at least 10 points in both 2009 and 2010.

In 2009, the Deacs lost in the NCAA tournament to 13th-seeded Cleveland State in a game that was never close.

The second part of Wellman's decision, which he never enumerated, is that Wake's starting over in 2011. With Aminu off to the NBA, after his sophomore season, and three starting seniors exiting the program, Wake has to rebuild next season.

Instead of letting Gaudio dangle and then fry, after what will likely be a losing season, Wellman decided to start over with a new coach now.

Wellman's foresight and desire to be proactive is commendable and that could work out in Wake's favor, given the base of a five-man recruiting class, which includes four top 100 prospects.

In could also backfire on Wellman, who has worked himself into corner by firing Gaudio for his postseason failures.

That means he has to hire someone with a proven postseason record. The options are somewhat limited on that front, certainly if he wants to find a coach with East Coast ties.

Minnesota's Tubby Smith, who a national title at Kentucky, and Texas' Rick Barnes, who has a Final Four trip with the Longhorns, would both top that wish-list and would both be expensive.

Northern Iowa's Ben Jacobson and Texas A&M's Mark Turgeon, are two younger coaches, who have made a splash in the NCAA tournament, but recently signed considerable extensions. Not that extenstions are written in stone (See Dino Gaudio).

Butler's Brad Stevens is obviously the big prize but surely there are bigger jobs in the 33-year-old prodigy's future, immediate or otherwise.

Perhaps the best fit would be Baylor's Scott Drew, who led a small Baptist school to the Final Eight this season.

Wellman said he has a list. Given the parameters of Gaudio's firing, it can't be a long one.

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Good discussion

I believe that UNC and Duke have so dominated the ACC landscape in the past 2 decades that its been very difficult for very good coaches to reach the top of the heap in a consistent way.
Maryland is the only team that has hovered near the top but Gary hasn't been able to overtake the UNC/Duke cartel.
I thought that Purnell was an up and coming star and was going to really make a mark but clearly he thought otherwise..
WF has had a rough time since the passing of Prosser. The guy would have been challenging Duke and Carolina for ACC supremacy if he was still around. I would have loved to have seen what he could have done with this current class.
Sendek was a good coach but not a great fit for State obviously. I think he would have continued to make the program very solid but it is what it is.
VT, FSU, have decent coaches but if allowed to stay will only rise to the top occasionally.
I think Paul Hewitt is a good recruiter but a lousy coach. He will be the next to go. He should have taken that job at St. Johns.
I suspect that WF is going to make a very good hire. Stayed tuned.

Nice Summary

But something or someone seems to be missing.

I just can't put my finger on it.......

I love Sid

and I am trying to remain optimistic about his tenure at NCSU.

I hope he can pull it off next year. I think he will. His team really came together pretty well at the end. I was a little shocked they got blown out by UAB but hopefully all the positives will carry over. 

Lets face it State needs to up their game significantly 

Frank Haith will probably remain just because Miami doesn't really care that much about basketball and as long as he improves slightly he will stay

Virginia. Promising but will probably always base their team around one excellent recruit. They lost the battle long ago. Juries out on Bennett

BC.. Made a poor move firing Skinner. their feet are to cold up there and geographically removed from the action like Miami. I wouldn't be surprised to see BC leave the ACC at some point.

Does that cover everyone? ( except K & R ) 

tHANK YOU

Your analysis is now complete. And pretty good too.

I think next year is the year we find out whether Sid is going to cut it. If that team stays reasonably healthy, there is no legit reason they should not be significantly improved.

Thanks JP I agree about Sid.

Thanks JP

I agree about Sid. I see State in the top half of the league

next season and should be dancing. sid is a good tournament coach so once they get there they may do well.

BC athletic dir

FWIW,

Gene DeFillipo said as long as there is an ACC, BC will be in the ACC.

The hatchetman speaks.

How would the king of athletic downsizing know this?

I think his sense of superiority (enhanced by his power to fire, which he exercises regularly) is getting the better of him.

I was talking with a WF fan..

who is a buddy of mine. He said Gaudio was not beloved among the fans. He also said he didn't think the players related to or cared much for Gaudio. I was thinking he might be let go after last year. WF has had good players who comprised good teams, but has little to show for it. It is a good program at the a school with an outstanding AD. I'm sure Wellman had a list of candidates when he did this. I'm sure we'll hear some names very soon.

I think Gaudio is the first

I think Gaudio is the first coach to ever be fired with a winning ACC record. Jimmy V and Lefty both resigned under pressure, right? I'm not sure about a couple of the older guys, Bud Millikan @ Maryland or Bones McKinney @ Wake Forest, but I'm pretty sure every other coach with an ACC record over .500 either retired from his ACC job, left for another school, or in Frank McGuire's case, left for the NBA. Any idea if this is correct?

We all know Herb wasn't fired, but...

...just because I'm curious, where WOULD Herb slot on this list HAD he been fired/forced out?

Double check my math, but

Double check my math, but here's what I came up with:

1996-2006       10 seasons      190-136 (0.582)     69-91 (0.451)

 

That would slot him 8th in overall record, between Jeff Jones and Cliff Ellis; and 6th in ACC record, between Matt Doherty and Bobby Cremins.

Looking at that, how in the

Looking at that, how in the world did we ever let him go?!?!?!?

/sarcasm 

Yes, but take into consideration

He inherited a team that was coming off 5 straight sub-.500 seasons.  In his 10 years coaching, he only had 1 losing record.  His final 5 years, he won 58% of his ACC games, 64% of his games overall, and as many of you know, he went to 5 straight NCAA tournaments, including a Sweet 16 appearance.

No, he wasn't anything spectacular, but he wasn't run out because of an inability to win.  His offense was putting fans to sleep, he beat Carolina and Dook a combined 8 times in 10 years (including the entire Doherty era) and blown tournament games against Vandy in '04 and Wisconsin in '05 left fans sick to their stomachs.

vANDY

I've told this story before, but it is worth repeating, because it goes to the heart of what many of us felt about Herb.

 My son was at the Vandy game in Orlando. The Pack was up by a decent amount close to the end of the game and the guy sitting in front of him turned around and said "I bet you're feeling pretty good right now." My son said, "Not really".  Of  course, we know how that one turned out.

I know I felt the same way and I am guessing a majority of Pack fans did too. Consistent results like that one led to Herb's demise at NC State.

99.9

I'm not sure if any one heard the interview with Julius Hodge a couple weeks ago on 99.9 with Adam Gold, but he said he still has nightmares about that game.  A BS flagrant foul, plus multiple 3s hit by a 7-footer down the stretch?  Herb must not have made it to church that week.

Yep. It's funny to pop on

Yep. It's funny to pop on the Arizona State boards and read many of the same things we said 5, 6, 7+ years ago.

Hey, Heels20, we DO agree! Smile

Answer

.59 overall, .45 ACC

a first time for everything.

Heels20 and JamesinWillowSprings agree on something.

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J.P. Giglio covers the ACC for the News & Observer, where he has worked since 1997.

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