
Former North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples was a 4-star prospect entering college. Fourteen other ACC players who were selected in the NFL draft were also 4-star recruits. PHOTO: Associated Press
Boston College linebacker Luke Kuechly, at the ninth overall pick, was the first ACC player to be selected in the NFL draft over last weekend. Florida State offensive tackle Andrew Datko, who went 241st overall, was the last. By the time the draft ended, NFL teams selected 31 players who spent the 2011 season in the ACC.
For those 31 players, being drafted represented the culmination of a dream. It wasn’t all that long ago, though, that they began their college careers as incoming recruits hoping to find a role with their college teams. With the draft over, it's as good of a time as any to look back and examine what kind of recruits these draftees once were.
Recruiting rankings are an inexact science, of course, but they’re often a good predictor of a player’s – and of a team’s – success. The higher a player’s recruiting ranking, the more likely that player turns into a regular contributor, or an all-conference or all-American type player. And the greater the number of highly-ranked players a team signs on National Signing Day, the more likely that team wins a bunch of games. No secrets there.
The system isn’t perfect. In every recruiting cycle, there are plenty of 4- and 5-star prospects who never reach their supposed potential. And there are teams with highly-ranked recruiting classes that, for whatever reason, don’t capitalize on their recruiting success. But in the case of the 31 ACC players who were drafted the recruiting rankings proved, once again, to be a good indicator of future success.
Among the ACC’s 31 draftees, 16 entered college as either 5- or 4-star recruits, according to Rivals.com. Seven of 31 players entered college as 3-star recruits, according to Rivals, and eight of the 31 players entered college as two-star recruits. Keep in mind, of course, that overall there are fewer 5- and 4-star prospects than there are 3- and 2-star prospects.
Early on the draft, though, ACC players who entered the league as lower-rated recruits were drafted more highly than their higher-rated counterparts. Kuechly, the former Boston College linebacker, entered school as a 3-star prospect, and he was the first ACC player drafted. Among the ACC’s first five draft picks were two players who were once 3-star recruits and one player who was a 2-star recruit.
Here are those first five selections, their college, their Rivals.com star ranking when they entered school and where they were picked in the draft (with overall pick number in parentheses):
LB Luke Kuechly, Boston College, 3-star, 1st round (9th)
DE Quinton Coples, North Carolina, 4-star, 1st round (16th)
RB David Wilson, Virginia Tech, 4-star, 1st round (32nd)
DE Andre Branch, Clemson, 2-star, 2nd round (38th)
WR Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech, 3-star, 2nd round (43rd)
After Hill, six of the next seven ACC players who were selected were former 4-star recruits.
What’s also interesting while looking back at the recruiting rankings is to learn which schools did the best job of grooming highly-ranked talent for the NFL, and which schools did the best job of taking lower-ranked players and preparing them for the next level. Miami, which is located amid one of the most fertile recruiting rounds in the nation, appears to have done the best job of taking talented high schoolers and turning them into NFL players.
The Hurricanes led the ACC with six draft picks, and all six of those players entered Miami as 4-star recruits, according to Rivals. That’s the good news. That bad news, though, is that none of Miami’s six draftees were selected before the third round, and four of the six went in the fourth round or later.
Which school did the best job of turning lesser-known recruits into NFL talent? The answer seems clear there, too. N.C. State ranked second in the ACC, with five players drafted. But the Wolfpack sent players into the draft without the benefit of having a wealth of heralded recruits. Of N.C. State’s five draftees, only one – linebacker Terrell Manning – was a 4-star recruit, according to Rivals.
Three N.C. State players who entered school as 2-star recruits were drafted, including T.J. Graham, the receiver who went in the third round. Yes, three of the Wolfpack’s five draftees weren’t picked until the seventh round. Nonetheless, coach Tom O’Brien can still point to the 2012 NFL draft as evidence that he and his staff can prepare players for the next level – regardless of their perceived talent coming out of high school.
Here’s a closer look at the ACC’s draftees, and how Rivals.com ranked them entering college:
UPDATE: Miami wide receiver Tommy Streeter was inadvertently left out of the above chart. Streeter, who graduated from high school in 2008, was a 4-star recruit when he arrived at Miami. The Baltimore Ravens selected him in the sixth round, with the 198th overall pick of the draft.




Comments
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Thu, 05/03/2012 - 14:38 — mad_maxPlenty of banter going on here...I'll sit out this time.
What I will say though, is that for a better understanding of the relationship between recruiting stars and NFL draftees, this article should have included how many 4/5 star recruits didn't get drafted.
But
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 20:29 — gvillegatrThe # of four and five star guys out of HS that are selected in the first two rounds of the draft are in good favor against the one, two and three's.
Also, if you take the % of one, two, three, four and five star recruits who are drafted/not drafted, the four and five star's kick ass, but the one, two and three star recruits are just ok.
In conclusion, you can't look at a small sample of #ed recruits. You have to look at them all.
Well
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 22:16 — mad_maxthose are the numbers I would like to see. I know what you are saying, and the stats you describe are what should be expected. I was just curious to actually see the numbers, that's all.
Pack really had 6
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 22:22 — packstrength90TOB and Dana Bible should have been credited with 6. Bible was the coach that groomed the 2 star Wilson into a national name. For all you young kids who think you have the talent to make it on the big stage, you need to work as hard at academics and integrity as you do your football. Then you may be privileged enough to play for Tom O'Brien and NC State. Otherwise you can go play at UNCheat and be groomed into a hoodlum that doesen't have to worry about academics there either.
this is just too easy....
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 13:14 — SurferWilson, hmm...? Let's see, oh yeah, Tom Hank's volleyball?
Oh, and there was the guy who was a QB at State that transferred to Wisc. (which certainly explains the "national fame").
"Big stage", and "privileged enough" to play for TOB and NCSU? I'll have what he is having, haha.
Really
Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:03 — packstrength90Unless I'm mistaken-which I'm not, Mr. Wilson Punkd the pansy blues every time he played them. And yes it got so bad that the whole country joined in on the laugh.
And i suppose it does leave a bad taste the mouths of the pu*** blue Walmarters when State has kicked crap out of the bunch of illiterate baffoons that were paid to play there.
Lol and you just wish you could have some of what i've enjoyed the last 5 years.
lol
Mon, 05/07/2012 - 15:12 — SurferYes, lol .... keep it coming. Oh, now it's a Dennis the Menace reference. Good, you keep your 5 years... I will take our last 200 ; )
This is too easy
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 03:03 — packstrength90LOL Looks like the walmarters are like the football and bball teams - spent too much time watching Dennis the menace instead of going to your African studies classes. And doesn't it piss you off when a few people on NCSU message boards uncover things in 30 minutes that the entire unccheat system never could figure out?
It couldn't have hurt much when the fball team had to forfeit their few wins under Butch. But what about the two "championships that came during the fantasy class era? And I thought TOB was just joking when he mentioned classes with no syllabus.
It's going to be a bitch pulling those banners down out of the dean dome rafters. But look on the bright side. State fans will probably pay to see it, so uncch will be able to afford a couple more players.
LOL big time!!!!!!
yep lol
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 11:43 — SurferWalmarters?
I always look on the bright side. ; )
Walmarters?
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 13:26 — JPDOhioI must be one.
I want to kill myself whenever I walk into one.
Just a minute
Thu, 05/10/2012 - 09:51 — JPDOhioI can understand the vitriol between the Heels and the Wolfpackers, but when you start dissing Dennis the Menace, you have gone to far!!!!
Lol
Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:12 — gvillegatrDennis The Menace!
What a great show that was. Used to watch it on Nickelodeon or some channel as a little fella.
You've enjoyed the last five years?
Sun, 05/06/2012 - 15:37 — gvillegatrIn five years, your record indicates mediocrity topped off with a Belk Bowl victory. The same bowl state fans mocked when UNC played in it.
Shhhh
Mon, 05/07/2012 - 15:17 — SurferLet em relish in their superiority....It only happens so often.
31?
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 11:59 — SurferSo Andrew, with 30 listed, who is missing?
UNC recruits itself
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 11:55 — izzykareemWe all know this. It's also apparent it doesn't "coach" itself.
Gvillegator, please. The
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 10:27 — awdracerGvillegator, please. The results speak for themselves. TOB knows talent and he doesn't need a recruiting service to find it for him. Other coaches know this. NC State and BC (when TOB was there) constantly had high profile programs move in on players that he already had commitments from. Last year we had to fend off MSU, Georgia, OSU, and TAMU for some of TOB's lowly 2 and 3 star commitments when they came in with late offers. It happens that way every year.
Now go and pleasure yourself to Butch Davis' recruiting rankings and regail us with your tales of Heels falling like stones in this year's NFL draft.
Blind man
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 10:59 — gvillegatrI don't know what else to tell ya after this last post other than one thing:
If everything you say is true in your 2nd and 3rd sentences, why is it state is not competing for national titles? After all, the results speak for themselves and Toby knows talent and needs no one else.
C'mon, dude. I really hope you don't believe the cow dung you are selling at the moment. #oblivious
All I know is that Butch
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 11:28 — awdracerAll I know is that Butch Davis brought in a ton of star players and couldn't beat TOB one single time. Three of the games weren't even close.
State won't be playing for a national title any time soon. That requires elite talent and that comes with compromises and baggage. But truthfully I don't care if we don't win the NC. I want a team that wins most of it's games and is credible.
What I mean by "credible" is that they do things the right way and don't cheat to get ahead. I don't want my University to be embarassed for cheating to win. I'm sure that YOU know what I mean after being the subject of national ridicule for the past two years.
These things happen in cycles...
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 10:12 — uBnicePrior to Butch Davis, John Bunton beat Chuck Amato's teams that were full of first-round, top-10 NFL draftees, several times.
yep, and in the end chuck,
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 10:14 — dar456yep, and in the end chuck, john, and butch all got the boot.
We finally agree...
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 13:49 — uBniceon something. :-)
Full of Sh*t
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 12:39 — gvillegatrYou are hopeless. No one, not even you, would waste their time and energy to post on a site if THEY DIDN'T CARE if their University DID NOT WIN a NATIONAL TITLE.
My writing style is sometimes less than desirable, but yours mostly is less than desirable. You didn't graduate from state college, pal. Maybe Wake Tech.
And, FTR, I wouldn't care how East Carolina won a National Title as long as they did win a National Title. I'd say the same for UNC, but that's not my right.
Writing Style???
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:49 — OpenMikeWriting style? What are you talking about? Who cares? Its a blog. You result to personal insults when your points are rebutted? Grow up.
Rebutted?
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 21:56 — gvillegatrIt may have been rebutted (as you put it) but it doesn't make it so.
It's obvious that BOTbob and
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:12 — awdracerIt's obvious that BOTbob and his cronies were willing to sell their souls and the soul of the University of North Carolina in order to bring "big time" football to UNC-CHeat.
I am not willing to sacrifice the reputation of my university for that pursuit. I stand by my stance that I am happy if State has a CREDIBLE football that wins MOST of its games.
UNC's football program is far less than credible right now.
As for you, who are you to lecture me about where I went to school? I graduated from State with an engineering degree and have worked at a national laboratory doing research for the last 20 years.
You are the worst kind of bandwagon adopted fan. Apparently you went to EZU and adopted UNC as your school to pull for. That is pathetic and you have sold out your school. Pull for your school. UNC has been working against EZU for decades. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Also, I'd take a Wake Tech degree any day over some liberal arts crap from EZU. At least I would have a technical skill that I could market and make a living.
Excuses, excuses, excuses
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 07:38 — gvillegatrIt's the same ol tired retorts from wuffie fans like yourself.
"you didn't go to UNC. I went to state."
Congrats, my man. You got into a school that is vastly easier than UNC. Make all the excuses you want and cry about how much harder it is to graduate from Moo U, but the facts are the facts.
No, I could not have gotten into UNC-CH, but I could have gotten into state college. I didn't want to go to state. Period. Lots of folks don't want to go to state. Period. What I do know is lots of folks who grew up UNC fans, didn't get in to CH, got into schools like ncsu, ECU, ASU ... Etc. didn't take them long to start talking ugly about Carolina and their athletics. I just laugh at them and still do. A couple of my BF's are still in denial of all the games we went to, watched on tv as well as attending UNC basketball school together.
Wouldn't surprise me if you too rooted for the Heels as a child only to get turned away at their door steps when you were eighteen yrs old. Many of you have. Tough.
So keep going to the well, state college fans, about how you went somewhere and others did not. Until you start making an extremely significant difference at your school ($$$$), you don't really matter to them. Kinda like a bank who doesn't care about their customers who keep less than ten g's in their account. You DO NOT matter.
You keep posting your predictable posts after defeat and I'll continue to post dumb, pointless stuff like above. #wasteoftime
At least you understand that
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 19:51 — awdracerAt least you understand that your posts are dumb and pointless.
That's a start..... and not a bad start for someone with an inferiority complex of that size.
Let me get this straight
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 21:15 — gvillegatrYou're the state guy and I am the UNC guy, but the UNC guy has the inferiority complex? Wow.
At least it is not boring around here anymore.
gville, you are NOT the "UNC
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 22:17 — awdracergville, you are NOT the "UNC guy". What a crock. Do you think that you should feel superior to someone because you pull for the athletic teams of a school that would not even admit you?
What kind of crazy backwards world do you live in?
You are an ECU grad with a UNC bandwagon wanna-be fixation. You are a HEELCU guy... and you sold out your school.
haha
Tue, 05/08/2012 - 11:41 — OpenMikehahahahaha "UNC-guy"! haha that made me laugh! Maybe he meant he was the UNC-Greenville guy? He didn't specify which UNC: Pembroke, Wilmington, Chapel Hill, Charlotte, etc... but I didnt realize they changed East Carolina to UNC-Greenville.
Dude
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 12:12 — gvillegatrYou are starting to sound a little crazy. Step back off the ledge and breathe.
You do realize there are a ton of Pirates who root for state like I root for UNC? There are plenty of folks here at ACCNow that root for state, but couldn't find Hillsborough St if you gave them a GPS/road map. Do you tell and scream at them about Wal-mart and allegiances? Nope.
Can't have it both ways.
Completely shocked
Fri, 05/04/2012 - 17:11 — gvillegatrThis post went ignored by dar, OpenMike and Awdracer.
As long as you pull for the wuffies it doesn't matter whether you went there or not. It only matters if you root for the Heels.
Waste of Time
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 08:35 — OpenMikeWaste of Time.
Precisely
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 13:03 — gvillegatrI said the same thing at the bottom.
first of all, it doesnt take
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:27 — dar456first of all, it doesnt take a lot of time and energy to post comments on this site. (perhaps it does for you, no argument there)
second, im sure youd be fine with the tarholes cheating to win it all, hanging a banner and then having to take it down after the fact. its not like you have any time or money invested in UNC. youre here simply because theyve been great at bball for the last 30 years. just because cheating and lying are normal in your day to day life doesnt make it the norm for everyone. as an NCSU graduate i would much rather our athletic programs work hard, do things the right way and come up short rather than cheat like hell and hope we dont get caught. cheat as much as youd like if thats what it takes to give your message board comments some validity.
Did you bother to read what I wrote?
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 21:18 — gvillegatrI said I didn't have the right to decide how UNC should win. But, yes, you got me dead to right as to why I've rooted for UNC for thirty years. Congrats to angry state college guy. The only come back he has.
How does it feel to know
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 22:36 — awdracerHow does it feel to know that the graduates of the school that you have pulled for for 30 years look down on you both for your ECU degree and for the fact that you are what is commonly referred to as a Wal-Mart fan?
This is just too weird.
Break it to him gently
Sun, 05/06/2012 - 23:12 — peetiepupWhere it the "like" button?
Good work trying to rehab G-gator. If anyone can, it's you.
btw, you're not one of those engineering students who was turned down by the UNC law school, were you? Accd. to what gator and surfer claim, most of the NCSU students went to NCSU because you were turned down by the old well gang.
Surfer even referred to NCSU's 2* and 3* recruits as "p.o.s recruits" a couple years ago. Since then, those 2/3's have been very helpful in humbling the 4/5* ncaa violators. That jibes pretty well with this Andrew Carter writeup.
Keep up the good work.
weird?
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 13:04 — SurferI am a UNC graduate and I don't look down on g'ville because he went to ECU, nor do I look down on fans who pull for UNC who are not graduates.
Huh!
Sun, 05/06/2012 - 23:43 — peetiepupEither you are one of the few who don't look down on ECU, OR you lie like a rug!
Me? I hope we play ECU every year. I like our sister to the east. Like us in Raleigh, the Greenville crowd isn't just passing the time away in fall waiting for basketball season to start. We all tailgate together just fine!
I guess
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 12:02 — gvillegatrIf I had an issue with what you stated I wouldn't bother posting.
Sports is an outlet plain and simple. My life and what others think about me here at ACCNow (that don't know me on a personal level) are pretty much irrelevant.
Anytime you want to meet me the person (not Gatr the ACCNow most hated man) for a beer and a game, just say so.
Ok, GO HEELS !! :) (or something to that effect)
huh?
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 12:14 — SurferDude, do you honestly think that UNC, with all the star talent that BD brought in, could have never beaten TOB one single time? You obviously have not been paying attention.
Wow. Just wow. BMFD
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:10 — awdracerWow. Just wow. BMFD tried for years to beat State and never succeeded.
That question has been answered, Surfer. In spades.
firgured I'd have to spell it out for ya
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:28 — SurferYes, but he didn't use all that talent that he brought in.
Elephant in the room
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 15:48 — OpenMikeUNC-CH had the talent, but they cheated and therefore were not allowed to play. UNC-CH fans will think that they WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA won IF the cheating players were allowed to play. State fans only point to the win based on the game played on the field. Both are right, just depends on how you look at it. Hope this clears up the confusion.
No confusion
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 13:00 — SurferIf you look back at my comment, it was in response to 4-wheeler's, stating that with all the talent Coach Davis brought in, he couldn't beat State. My comment,
" Dude, do you honestly think that UNC, with all the star talent that BD brought in, could have never beaten TOB one single time? You obviously have not been paying attention."
Was just in dispute of his claim.
"Could Have Never"
Thu, 05/03/2012 - 14:32 — OpenMike"could have never". if you want to play the hypotheticals you can try to argue that if you want. teams played on the field in real life and results happened.
Buuuuut...
Wed, 05/02/2012 - 15:51 — OpenMikeBuuuut... "shoulda woulda coulda" is what is commonly referred to as "whining". So just be careful if that is where you are trying to go with your arguments.
news flash, that question
Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:29 — dar456news flash, that question has been answered every fall for the past 5 years. i guess on paper yall had better talent. remind us again where that gets you once the balls in the air?