Sports talk radio hosts have lots of time to fill right now.
The NFL and college football seasons haven’t started yet. The NBA is in a labor stoppage and NASCAR just isn’t as interesting as it used to be.
So when talk of the SEC raiding the ACC starts crackling through the airwaves, there is reason to be cautious.
But talk of Texas A&M leaving the Big 12 seems legitimate. Texas A&M has a legitimate reason to bolt because the Big 12 has sold its soul to keep the Aggies’ rival, Texas, in the conference.
If the SEC takes Texas A&M, the conference would be looking for a 14th member, and some attractive options exist in the ACC:
- Florida State has a national following and a top-25 program even after Bobby Bowden’s ouster.
- Virginia Tech has a football program that’s without peer in the ACC.
- Clemson is Auburn with a lake. As a small-town, football-crazed state-supported school, Clemson has a lot in common with Auburn, Georgia, Florida and other SEC schools. So why not join a conference with schools that have similar demographics?
This point has been made before, but it’s worth making again.
In each case, it’s instructive to remember who makes the decision to switch athletic conferences. University chancellors, presidents and boards of trustees usually are charged with that task.
And while the SEC has won the past five national championships in football, the ACC has finished first among BCS conferences in the NCAA’s Academic Progress Ratings in each of those academic years.
Chancellors like to be aligned with other schools that possess highly regarded academic reputations. The big dollars of the SEC are enticing, but having an association with Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Virginia is not to be underestimated when evaluating chancellors’ motivations.
Another point is that in terms of football, the ACC schools would put themselves in danger of being considerably less competitive if they joined the SEC. Virginia Tech dominates the ACC, but loses almost every time it plays a nonconference opponent of any estimation, with recent defeats coming to Boise State, East Carolina and even James Madison. Florida State gets thumped every year by Florida; why join the SEC and get clobbered by a bunch of other football powers, too?
Bottom line, except for the money in the SEC – which is enticing – there aren’t many reasons to leave the ACC.
"As I've said previously, we'll continue to be mindful of the collegiate landscape and what's best for the ACC and its member institutions," ACC commissioner John Swofford said in a statement today. "With that said, I've received no indication from any of our 12 Presidents that they have any intention of being affiliated with any conference other than the ACC."
As for the idea that the North Carolina schools might leave, you can forget it. UNC’s rivalry with Duke in basketball is far too important for the Tar Heels to leave for the SEC. (The SEC would not be interested in Duke as a package deal). N.C. State’s culture and tradition as the first home of the ACC tournament, and rivalries with UNC, Duke and Wake Forest would make it difficult to leave.
If somebody does leave the ACC, though, it would be fascinating to see who got an invitation to become the new 12th member. Keep in mind, the academic profile of the new school would remain critically important to the ACC. Here would be some likely candidates:
1. Rutgers: A New Jersey presence would deliver a new TV market and bridge the geographical gap in the ACC between Maryland and Boston College. Rutgers has a decent football program and a basketball program that should be better than it is with a location so close to New York City.
2. Pittsburgh: This is another geographical bridge school that would help the ACC in football and basketball. The TV market isn’t huge, but it’s bigger than the one Virginia Tech brought to the ACC a few years ago.
3. Connecticut: The basketball program would add a lot to the ACC, and the football program is coming off a BCS appearance. The Huskies would provide a local rival for Boston College as well.
4. East Carolina: Perhaps this is a sentimental choice as the only non-BCS conference member on this list. The Pirates wouldn’t add anything in basketball and don’t contribute a TV market. But East Carolina has demonstrated that it can compete with ACC teams in football, and if North Carolina politicians are courted in the right way (remember Virginia Tech in the last ACC expansion), the school could get a shot at ACC membership.
Again, though, this is getting way ahead of the game. It will take a bold move by a chancellor for a school to leave the ACC, especially with the college athletics hierarchy suddenly at least paying lip service to the importance of academics.







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Sat, 08/13/2011 - 10:06 — SurferNot exactly sure where Ken is going with this one, when was NASCAR interesting? No offense to you guys and gals who follow it.
I personally think..
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 23:44 — UNC1998the blog has a valid point. It is the university presidents and boards that make these decisions. The ACC as a conference has no peer academically. I can only imagine the grants and stipends that brings in to member schools for research and project funding. Do the SEC member schools get the same academic funding? Would switching be akin to robbing Peter to pay Paul? I simply do not know. Of course, if it is only athletics being considered it truly is a no brainer. Only UNC, NCSU, and UVa would refuse SEC membership out of hand. Also, I'm not too convinced that if an ACC member leaves WVU would be the first school invited. If you look at all the ACC members it would only make sense to invite a school that might blend in with the conference. Who that might be is anybody's guess at this point.
Who is moving where
Sat, 08/13/2011 - 00:45 — waywardVT has publicly stated they would turn down the SEC. There is a lot of bad blood between GT and the SEC, even though Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country and GT used to be a member. Miami won't get asked. Clemson would probably accept, but that is far from certain. FSU would definitely accept.
UConn would probably be the first school invited, but they may turn the ACC down. UConn is a basketball school first and the current ACC doesn't offer them much over the Big East. IIRC, Syracuse turned down the ACC because Jim Boeheim wanted to stay in the Big East.
WVU would be the best fit and the team I'd like to see replace FSU, but I doubt it will happen. It's a lot like talk of Clemson going to the SEC: The fans want to see it far more than the conference. I think WVU may be a failsafe choice, like South Carolina was for the SEC.
The ACC is delusional if they take Pitt or Rutgers. Pittsburghers care about the Steelers and New Jerseyites care about the Jets, Giants, and Eagles. But they took BC, so anything is possible.
My "crack pipe" choice is Notre Dame. Sooner or later, ND will have to join a conference, and the private school, academic friendly ACC would be a good fit, geography notwithstanding. They have a longstanding rivalry with BC, and intermittent rivalry with GT, and a dormant, but bitter rivalry with Miami. The Big East is not much of a football conference and they have turned down the Big Ten more than once. Still less of a crack pipe choice than ECU.
Who is moving where
Sat, 08/13/2011 - 00:45 — waywardVT has publicly stated they would turn down the SEC. There is a lot of bad blood between GT and the SEC, even though Atlanta is in the heart of SEC country and GT used to be a member. Miami won't get asked. Clemson would probably accept, but that is far from certain. FSU would definitely accept.
UConn would probably be the first school invited, but they may turn the ACC down. UConn is a basketball school first and the current ACC doesn't offer them much over the Big East. IIRC, Syracuse turned down the ACC because Jim Boeheim wanted to stay in the Big East.
WVU would be the best fit and the team I'd like to see replace FSU, but I doubt it will happen. It's a lot like talk of Clemson going to the SEC: The fans want to see it far more than the conference. I think WVU may be a failsafe choice, like South Carolina was for the SEC.
The ACC is delusional if they take Pitt or Rutgers. Pittsburghers care about the Steelers and New Jerseyites care about the Jets, Giants, and Eagles. But they took BC, so anything is possible.
My "crack pipe" choice is Notre Dame. Sooner or later, ND will have to join a conference, and the private school, academic friendly ACC would be a good fit, geography notwithstanding. They have a longstanding rivalry with BC, and intermittent rivalry with GT, and a dormant, but bitter rivalry with Miami. The Big East is not much of a football conference and they have turned down the Big Ten more than once. Still less of a crack pipe choice than ECU.
Well
Sat, 08/13/2011 - 09:03 — gvillegatrND also has just as many rivalries in the Big "12." They also have good academics and geographically they fit better. Selfishly, i'd like to see them as well.
No clue and stirring the pot
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 22:58 — packstrength90As usual, Ken Tyasic puts out an article and doesn't have a clue. He comments on stories others have already penned in a way that just gets a reaction. He evidently doesn't even know about all the "academic Integrety" over at the chapel hole since he put them in the same league as schools with truly admirable academic reputations.
The N&O should hire Wayward instead since he clearly has a much better grasp of the ACC landscape than this northern transplant.
Packstrength90
Sat, 08/13/2011 - 00:13 — SFPNCNativeGet a life... your brain -- what little you have -- is really pathetically ignorant!!
SFP
Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:23 — packstrength90I would bet big $ that you didn't go to either of the schools that Tyasic lumped UNC-CH alongside. You probably didn't even make it into the "Hole", although even you wouldn't have any trouble graduating from there if you did. They are the only school in the ACC that has a current, proven record of academic fraud. Not only that, they tried to cover it up numurious times. It's a huge disservice to the other schools listed to be compaired in any way with that "institution".
I'm gonna take a page out of Dan's book
Sun, 08/14/2011 - 20:04 — gvillegatrnumurious ?
I had to look twice to make sure I spelled it the way you did ! Did you go to Carolina as well !? (obvious sarcasm)
Short memory
Sun, 08/14/2011 - 17:38 — Heels20Georgia Tech and Florida State both in the last 5 years...
" I would wile away the
Sat, 08/13/2011 - 08:50 — unc098" I would wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain"
Thumping?
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 21:44 — wayward"Florida State gets thumped every year by Florida"
Last year's FSU/Florida game sure was a thumping, but it wasn't the ACC team who got thumped. Did you even watch that?
FSU also "Ate Mor Chikin" by beating SEC East Champion South Carolina in the Chick-fil-A bowl. FSU probably would have won the SEC East last year.
UNC beat UT--in Nashville, no less, and Wake pretty much owns Vandy in their rivalry. Clemson came closer to beating National Champion Auburn than anyone else, including Alabama.
Bobby Bowden was the only thing keeping the Noles out of the SEC. He is retired and fully I expect FSU to take the 14th spot.
As for the ACC, UConn would be the #1 target, but West "By God" Virginia is the logical choice. They are geographically the best fit, they have an active rivalry with Maryland and dormant rivalries with Virginia and VT. They are good at basketball. They have a loyal and rabid fan base.
East Carolina? Dream on.
During the last expansion, the ACC targeted new TV markets with BC and Miami and took a logical choice for expansion in VT. BC has been a complete flop, forcing the ACC to create a "Boston College Rule" for bowl games because they travel so badly. Miami hasn't been much better as their fans are fairweather fans. VT has been a complete success.
If FSU goes to the SEC, as I expect they will, the ACC needs to add WVU. Put them in the Atlantic Division with VT as their "rival". This would also allow BC and Miami to play every year as "rivals" as well.
Don't underestimate
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 22:32 — gvillegatrThe UM an WVa rivalry as well. They played some great games back in the Big Least days.
FSU prez says he has had no convos with the SEC. Maybe it was his assistant !?
You're right ...
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 22:16 — InspectorPittI think you're right, FSU will jet to the SEC now.
However, since integrity and academics are involved here, why not ask William Peace University to join the ACC?
Let them go
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 19:45 — joeblow3Expanding to 12 schools has been a disaster. The ACC championship game in football has fizzled. And in basketball it's screwed up the traditional regular season where every team plays every other team both home and away.
Fizzled ?
Fri, 08/12/2011 - 20:21 — gvillegatrIt was fizzing last year in Charlotte. Now that the ACC Championship game is where it belongs it will continue to get better and better.